President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

Have we forgotten the Goddamned Chinese did it thousands of years ago? You know, the wall one can see from space???

Please don't tell me the greatest country on the face of the earth could not do something so simple as a wall....

Oh it probably can, it's just America can't.

[Yorkshire pud]

Cruz also promises the wall after Donald made an issue out of it. I haven't got a problem with Cruz on his immigration position. I have electability and trust issues with him.

Yeah because you need a megalomaniac narcissist and an evangelical bible thumper with primitive thoughts in the Whitehouse...oh yes.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I pray for the day I never have to look at Cruz's stupid face again.

[albrecht]

No one will be laying mines anywhere at the border, and has trump said what will be done to stop coastal entry and or people coming in thru canada?

The only real solution is to have a legitimate, and sane, legal immigration strategy, and temporary worker permit and VISA system, and "the wall" around certain high-traffic areas and the mines, drones, and blimps around the rest. And with severe civil, and criminal penalties, and withholding Federal funds, grants, or tax-free status, to any business, church, hospital, school, organization, Foundation, farmer, rancher, or individual who helps, treats, harbors, educates, or hires an illegal. And a "bounty" for anyone who informs on an individual or group that is doing so (could be done in form of a tax-break or credit.)

[Inglorious Bitch]

HIS PIMP HAND IS STRONG



Reports: Republicans cancel Monday debate in Utah

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reports-republicans-cancel-monday-debate-in-utah/ar-BBqwUlF?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp


WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. â€" The Republicans have reportedly canceled Monday's scheduled debate after GOP front-runner Donald Trump announced he would not attend.

"I think we've had enough debates," Trump said Wednesday on Fox News, which was to have hosted the debate.

The local Fox affiliate in Salt Lake City reported the cancellation on Wednesday, citing a representative for the Salt Palace Convention Center.

Hours after Trump's announcement, an aide to John Kasich said the Ohio governor also would not attend if Trump does not show.

"No debate in SLC (Salt  Lake City) Monday due to Trump backing out," tweeted Kasich adviser John Weaver. "No surprise Trump avoiding contrast."

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the third candidate in the Republican race, denounced Trump's decision to skip the debate, calling him "Ducking Donald."

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio pulled out of the race after losing his home state Tuesday to Trump.

Trump said he only recently learned about the Monday Salt Lake City debate and already has a commitment that same night. The GOP front-runner is scheduled to address the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's annual conference that same day.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Illegals are such a sticky situation. I think you'd collapse the economy if you got rid of them. Imagine removing 30 million hard working blue collar people out of the economy and trying to replace them with retarded entitled American kids in those minimum wage jobs. The system would grind to a halt.

I don't know what the answer is but illegals aren't an issue to me outside of the crime.

[albrecht]

Illegals are such a sticky situation. I think you'd collapse the economy if you got rid of them. Imagine removing 30 million hard working blue collar people out of the economy is trying to replace them with retarded entitled white and black kids in those minimum wage jobs. The system would grind to a halt.

I don't know what the answer is but illegals aren't an issue to me outside of the crime.

Yah, I think you would need to have a sane policy for legal temporary workers with a background check. The problem is though illegals provide businesses, ranchers, farmers, households with cheap labor there is a high cost for society due to crime etc. Not to mention now days they often bring over their brood, or have them here, so all the costs and problems in schools, hospitals, etc. Cut off some of the social programs and change attitudes and much of those jobs could be done by Americans. Why couldn't our lawns be cut, drive-ways shoveled, kids babysat, trees trimmed, or restaurant work etc by teenagers? I used to do all of that as a kid to make some money or get through school? If anything some immigration reform would naturally cause wages for those jobs "no American will do" rise (and some price increases) but, again, the current scheme of socializing the costs and privatizing the benefits by having an open-border will collapse the system at some point.

[Value Of Pi]

I seem to recall also the Russians built a pretty damn good wall around Berlin which was highly effective and practical. I will grant you it was but a small percentage of the wall that needs to be built here, but it can be done.

What eventually made the Berlin Wall effective (it wasn't very effective early on) was the fact that the border guards were shooting people attempting to escape East Berlin. That greatly discouraged others from trying to cross the border. So, it wasn't just about having a physical barrier, if that matters to you.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Yah, I think you would need to have a sane policy for legal temporary workers with a background check. The problem is though illegals provide businesses, ranchers, farmers, households with cheap labor there is a high cost for society due to crime etc. Not to mention now days they often bring over their brood, or have them here, so all the costs and problems in schools, hospitals, etc. Cut off some of the social programs and change attitudes and much of those jobs could be done by Americans. Why couldn't our lawns be cut, drive-ways shoveled, kids babysat, trees trimmed, or restaurant work etc by teenagers? I used to do all of that as a kid to make some money or get through school? If anything some immigration reform would naturally cause wages for those jobs "no American will do" rise (and some price increases) but, again, the current scheme of socializing the costs and privatizing the benefits by having an open-border will collapse the system at some point.

American kids are utterly worthless. They're lazy, they're bitchy and they're entitled. As a work force, especially for blue collar work American kids are utter shit. Those low-end jobs would grind to a halt because employers wouldn't have access to efficient labor. Imagine the bottom half of a 2016 high school class. Why would those kids go scrub toilets or pick fruit for minimum wage when they can get an EBT card and sell drugs or prostitute on the side? Those wage increases to get domestic fucks out there to do it will be reflected in the final price to the customers thereby negating the point of the whole thing. America has become a junkie and it's our addiction to illegal labor that got us there. I don't think you can change that barring a catastrophic system collapse.

First world nations run on slavery. Always have, always will. People think Democratic sanctuary cities are about humanity or whatever retarded liberals think. Nope it's about getting slave labor.

I'm not convinced a wall would accomplish anything and take it as being symbolic.

[PKaiser]

What eventually made the Berlin Wall effective (it wasn't very effective early on) was the fact that the border guards were shooting people attempting to escape East Berlin. That greatly discouraged others from trying to cross the border. So, it wasn't just about having a physical barrier, if that matters to you.

Yeah, so? Lol.

I had a friend escape E Germany with his mom in 1962 and he said it was the hardest thing they ever did. Compared to what we have on our southern border it was quite effective.

[Value Of Pi]

American kids are utterly worthless. They're lazy, they're bitchy and they're entitled. As a work force, especially for blue collar work American kids are utter shit. Those low-end jobs would grind to a halt because employers wouldn't have access to efficient labor. Imagine the bottom half of a 2016 high school class. Why would those kids go scrub toilets or pick fruit for minimum wage when they can get an EBT card and work on their rap career or whatever fucking delusion they have? Those wage increases to get domestic fucks out there to do it will be reflected in the final price to the customers thereby negating the point of the whole thing. America has become a junkie and it's our addiction to illegal labor that got us there. I don't think you can change that barring a catastrophic system collapse.

First world nations run on slavery. Always have, always will. People think Democratic sanctuary cities are about humanity or whatever retarded liberals think. Nope it's about getting slave labor.

It's safe to say that the lazy, bitchy, entitled kids don't have their parents pushing them to work after school/weekends at McDonald's. Also, many of these kids manage to keep most of these qualities as adults. So, I can sympathize with business owners who want employees who really want these jobs and often find that their best source isn't Americans.

That said, hiring needs to happen legally. Also, a big part of the problem in America is the work ethic we're teaching -- or not teaching. That and the aversion to all blue-collar jobs, which started decades ago, has gotten totally out of hand. I seem to have more respect for skilled and unskilled blue-collar workers precisely because they don't get the respect they deserve.

[TigerLily]

Currently the Donald has 666 delegates.  Hillary has 1566.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_zJrO_ptk

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, so? Lol.

I had a friend escape E Germany with his mom in 1962 and he said it was the hardest thing they ever did. Compared to what we have on our southern border it was quite effective.

But not effective enough. Your friend and his mother escaped when they should have been hosed down with  machine guns,run on a land mine or be taken down by guard dogs and made to reflect on the error of their ways. They deserved to die if his mother was stupid enough to not know what the signs meant. No?

[albrecht]

But not effective enough. Your friend and his mother escaped when they should have been hosed down with  machine guns,run on a land mine or be taken down by guard dogs and made to reflect on the error of their ways. They deserved to die if his mother was stupid enough to not know what the signs meant. No?

I think you are missing a fundamental point. That fence/system was primarily to keep people IN, not prevent illegals or terrorists from coming in from without. Though, admittedly, in Obamaland could be a future problem with any "fence" or "wall" also. There are already, basically, capital controls and it is, technically, illegal to flee or renounce citizenship for "tax purposes."

[onan]

I think you are missing a fundamental point. That fence/system was primarily to keep people IN,

And you think that isn't an option?

Remember, when you could "just go" to Canada for the weekend? Walls always work two ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlhcccGYaX8

[norland2424]

I think you are missing a fundamental point. That fence/system was primarily to keep people IN, not prevent illegals or terrorists from coming in from without. Though, admittedly, in Obamaland could be a future problem with any "fence" or "wall" also. There are already, basically, capital controls and it is, technically, illegal to flee or renounce citizenship for "tax purposes."

Pretty much people fail to remember that the berlin wall was to keep people in, just like the Korean dmz.

[Value Of Pi]

Yeah, so? Lol.

I had a friend escape E Germany with his mom in 1962 and he said it was the hardest thing they ever did. Compared to what we have on our southern border it was quite effective.

So you'd better budget for machine-gun towers and be prepared to use them if you want the wall to be as effective as the Berlin Wall. This may not bother you personally, but if not, it should. The problem with simplistic and extremist solutions is that they wind up taking you to increasingly dark places. Saying "so what?" doesn't cover anyone's ass.

[Yorkshire pud]

I think you are missing a fundamental point. That fence/system was primarily to keep people IN, not prevent illegals or terrorists from coming in. Which, admittedly, in Obamaland could be a future problem with a "fence" or "wall" also. There are already, basically, capital controls and it is, technically, illegal to flee or renounce citizenship for "tax purposes."

I haven't missed the point at all. The same advocacy of potential mass murder is the same. Or is it only murder when it's the damn commies? Why have a wall? Dig a forty foot trench and fill it with lime..Trump could make a 'reality'  TV show with this weeks 'They tried to make it and steal our freedom' ; choice close ups of entire families dissolving for those quiet times when the Kardashians aren't taking the piss.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Serious, snark free question for Trump supporters: Do you ever get tired of him constantly boasting of his accomplishments and reminding everyone of how great he is?  At first, I thought it was just boorish arrogance, but after hearing it over and over for a few months it just sounds like he's very insecure and needy. Despite what he would have people think, there are many entrepreneurs in the U.S. who are much wealthier and who have made significant lasting contributions to society that go far beyond slapping their names on a few hotels and golf courses.  People like Bill Gates and Larry Ellison may have their arrogant sides, but they don't loudly and publicly proclaim their greatness every chance they get.  Stephen Hawking doesn't either, and Warren Buffett is about as humble and self-effacing a multi-billionaire that you will find anywhere.  What is it about Trump that compels him to endlessly crave praise and affirmation if it's not insecurity?  Thanks!

[VtaGeezer]

It's safe to say that the lazy, bitchy, entitled kids don't have their parents pushing them to work after school/weekends at McDonald's.

Too often because the parents are working 2nd jobs there.

[albrecht]

And you think that isn't an option?

Remember, when you could "just go" to Canada for the weekend? Walls always work two ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlhcccGYaX8

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me, we already have, effectively, capital controls (for us- not for large banks and corporations, of course.) Yeah Canada (though I recall they always asked about cigarettes even many years ago and did have people on the border.) and Mexico also, when it wasn't, as much, as a hell-hole. And just flying, even domestically? Remember it used to be almost fun and not a hassle with ids and checking everything- not to mention the other "cost saving" ideas the airlines have come up with?
Though, like a gate, with a one-way door, a "wall" could be designed for one-way access. I'm for mines, penalties for hiring/harboring illegals, and a sensible legal immigration scheme.

[mikuthing01]

Dig a forty foot trench and fill it with lime..Trump could make a 'reality'  TV show with this weeks 'They tried to make it and steal our freedom' ; choice close ups of entire families dissolving for those quiet times when the Kardashians aren't taking the piss.

I would buy a television to watch this quality entertainment

[Yorkshire pud]

I would buy a television to watch this quality entertainment

And I don't doubt you'd be alone. Just don't let on you think you're civilised. You'll be laughed at.

[Value Of Pi]

I think you are missing a fundamental point. That fence/system was primarily to keep people IN, not prevent illegals or terrorists from coming in from without. Though, admittedly, in Obamaland could be a future problem with any "fence" or "wall" also. There are already, basically, capital controls and it is, technically, illegal to flee or renounce citizenship for "tax purposes."

What's the difference between in or out in terms of effectiveness? Effectiveness was the subject under discussion, not whether it's justifiable to defend borders or keep people from leaving the country.

[albrecht]

What's the difference between in or out in terms of effectiveness? Effectiveness was the subject under discussion, not whether it's justifiable to defend borders or keep people from leaving the country.

That's true. Though that is the real debate. The "wall" is just a symbol; the real fight is that many feel that there should be no borders and I would just like politician, or even the usual suspect Bellgabbers, to just admit and say it: borders are bad and so are nations. What I do find interesting is that it is only Western countries to are criticized for wanting to have a country or nation. Do you even have a country if there is no border? Where are the demands for Japan, China, African countries, Mexico, etc etc to take all the Muslim "refugees" or illegals from other countries? Or to change their laws, signage, or culture to "accommodate" others? Or take down their border controls (or even sometimes their even internal migration controls?) Why don't Muslim countries (Turkey is to an extent) taking all these "refugees?"

[mikuthing01]

And I don't doubt you'd be alone. Just don't let on you think you're civilised. You'll be laughed at.

Fook off ya cheeky cunt youd be watchin too if ya had paid ya TV license m8

[albrecht]

And I don't doubt you'd be alone. Just don't let on you think you're civilised. You'll be laughed at.

I know it is popular to criticize any plans to secure our border but what about yours? Are you good with letting them all just march over? Grant all and sundry asylum and put them on the dole? How to pay for it? Maybe cut all military spending, why even have a military, to the extent you do so, if there is no country, but even that money won't cover all the people in the world who want to mooch or invade. You want a Calais-style camp in your garden? And, no, you can't have a door or fence because "no borders, please."

[Yorkshire pud]

Fook off ya cheeky cunt youd be watchin too if ya had paid ya TV license m8

Tut tut...so much potential too.

[chefist]

https://youtu.be/eZrHmFwLRbQ

[21st Century Man]

Cruz needs to spend a lot of time in Arizona over the next week. He really needs to win that race to stay competitive. It'll be an uphill battle though.  Trump is very strong there.   Cruz needs to have a number of rallys around Phoenix. Several in Tuscon and Flagstaff.  Couple of them in Prescott and other cities in that region. Arizona is winner-take-all and the most crucial. Utah is proportional and I expect he will do well there.  I'd like to see Kasich relegated to 1%-9% in those states so then the pressure would mount for him to drop out.

Cruz should highlight the differences between Trump and himself regarding eminent domain.