George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[zeebo]

I know lots of people that are incompetent and keep their job. ...

... and often they even get promoted.

[zeebo]

...I don't mind suspending disbelief, but sloppy over generalizations and a disregard for basic medical principles is a road too far for me. George should have at least asked the questions.

Dude they've got bigfoot's buttprint, case closed!

[UnscreenedCaller]

Dude they've got bigfoot's buttprint, case closed!

Hahahaha! True. What more proof does anyone need?

Although, I would love to hear George engage in a detailed discussion about bigfoot vs human's butts. That would be a classic.

[SciFiAuthor]

Quit moving the fucking goal post. Your devil's advocate is getting tiresome. Noory sucks. It is that simple.

Well you're just a ball of happy sunshine today. Look, you're the one that put it in the context of working a job so I addressed it according to the goalpost you set. It not my fault that you kicked the football at the wrong one.

[SciFiAuthor]

Plenty of idiotic and manipulative people on Jerry Springer.

Plenty of hired actors on Jerry Springer.

[bateman]

Quit moving the fucking goal post. Your devil's advocate is getting tiresome. Noory sucks. It is that simple.

This. And he "doesn't believe the bundling business"? Uh, ok. I guess all the sales guys are misinformed.

Juan knows what's up:

There are other things to consider.  Cheap Channel owns hundreds of radio stations and they need overnight programming.  It's much cheaper for the company to provide an inexpensive program such as Coast than to get programming elsewhere.  Coast does not need to bring in large amounts of advertising dollars to be valuable to the company.  Second, some advertisers buy a specific program, but others make blanket buys that cover the entire broadcast day.  That way, they get their ads on Rush, on Hannity, Andy Dean, and the other Cheap Channel shows as well as Coast.  It costs less per ad that way.

[SciFiAuthor]

There are other things to consider.  Cheap Channel owns hundreds of radio stations and they need overnight programming.  It's much cheaper for the company to provide an inexpensive program such as Coast than to get programming elsewhere.  Coast does not need to bring in large amounts of advertising dollars to be valuable to the company.  Second, some advertisers buy a specific program, but others make blanket buys that cover the entire broadcast day.  That way, they get their ads on Rush, on Hannity, Andy Dean, and the other Cheap Channel shows as well as Coast.  It costs less per ad that way.

As for affiliates, the idea that Noory is only on low powered stations is a fantasy of some on this board.  In my market, he's on a 50,000-watt AM station and on a100,000-watt FM station.  Nobody covers the market as these two stations do.

Sure, but it levels out in that the packages cover the entire spectrum of their hosts, from Hannity to Noory. He'd be no better or worse than any of the others in the lineup in such a case. But he does seem to have some long-standing unique advertisers. I think Carnivora is one, C. Crane is definitely one. They must be selling.

There's problems with the affiliate argument as you point out. With the warring affiliates in St. Louis, one is privately owned by The St. Louis Cardinals and a local radio personality and the other is owned by Emmis. He's currently on the 100,000 watt FM Emmis station, but the fact is Noory was able to pick and choose his affiliate in St. Louis and they fought over him.

[bateman]

I think Carnivora is one

Wow.  :

[SciFiAuthor]

This. And he "doesn't believe the bundling business"? Uh, ok. I guess all the sales guys are misinformed.

Juan knows what's up:

So, by default in that position, you're saying that Noory is unprofitable and that Premiere keeps him on as a charitable effort. 

[SciFiAuthor]

Yep I think you're right on that.  It's like a Hollywood studio churning out high-grossing schlock vs. an indie studio making something with true artistic and cultural merit.  For instance I know Art couldn't deal with excessive ads that Premiere airs, which are profitable yes, but harmful to the overall quality of the experience.  Ironic that c2c is now the one on the "Indie" channel.

Precisely. But, ya know, that stuff craps money on those studios.

[zeebo]

So, by default in that position, you're saying that Noory is unprofitable and that Premiere keeps him on as a charitable effort.

I think Noory is probably plenty profitable and that's all they care about so yep, as long as that's true he get's a gig till we colonize Mars.  However that doesn't mean he doesn't suck.  There are all kinds of things that are profitable that suck.  All kinds of horrible movies, horrible fast food, horrible celebrity talk shows - all of which on average make money I guess so they keep marching on whilst some folks who just want some decent quality are left scratching their heads. 

[bateman]

So, by default in that position, you're saying that Noory is unprofitable and that Premiere keeps him on as a charitable effort. 

They keep him because he is CHEAP compared to anyone else who would occupy that chair. They pay him far less than they would have to pay someone like Art, but to Noory, his pay is quite substantial. Make sense? SAG-AFTRA base rate is like $350 per show. 5 shows per week, 52 weeks per year puts him at $91,000. That's the bare minimum they could be paying him, and I'm sure they're paying him more, but not THAT much more. Let's say they pay him 5x that. Still way, way less than someone like Levin, Hannity, or any of the other nationally-syndicated guys who are on a comparable number of affiliates.

The only reason he's on as many affiliates as he's on is because they're ClearChannel-owned stations. And the stations that aren't package Rush with Coast. This has been explained to you countless times.

[Juan]

So, by default in that position, you're saying that Noory is unprofitable and that Premiere keeps him on as a charitable effort.

No, not a charitable effort, but rather his profit level can be much less, and he's still valuable to the company.  I hear Carnivora and C. Crane advertised on other night time shows, such as Michael Savage.  As for affiliates, I'm sure there are lots of stations that would like to have the show.  Other than Red Eye, there's not much else on live.  Coast would naturally pick the station that would give them the most potential listeners.  Overnight has relatively few listeners, just because it is overnight.

Regarding cost - let's speculate.  We once had a figure of $400,000 for George under his old contract.  Suppose a raise to $600,000 in the new.  Even living in LA, I doubt Tommy makes $80,000, but let's give him that.  About the same for Lisa Lyon.  I can't think of anyone else who would be working exclusively for Coast - the rest seem to be general Cheap Channel employees.  So, let's allocate $100,000 for the lot of them covering their time working for Coast.  Add satellite time, electricity, sales commissions, etc.  That means they're producing a national radio show for around a million dollars.  That's not a lot of advertising.

[SciFiAuthor]

I think Noory is probably plenty profitable and that's all they care about so yep, as long as that's true he get's a gig till we colonize Mars.  However that doesn't mean he doesn't suck.  There are all kinds of things that are profitable that suck.  All kinds of horrible movies, horrible fast food, horrible celebrity talk shows - all of which on average make money I guess so they keep marching on whilst some folks who just want some decent quality are left scratching their heads.

No, it doesn't mean anything other than he must be posting a profit. On that basis, they won't fire him.

Quality is probably going to be the realm of the independent podcast. Art's right. It's certainly going that way for books. But it also means that in today's culture, the cream is not rising to the top because people don't want cream, they want kool aid.

[PB the Deplorable]

They keep him because he is CHEAP compared to anyone else who would occupy that chair...

And they know he is staying right where he is. 

With George they don't have to worry about turnover the way they would from other hosts leaving for better time slots. 

[SciFiAuthor]

They keep him because he is CHEAP compared to anyone else who would occupy that chair. They pay him far less than they would have to pay someone like Art, but to Noory, his pay is quite substantial. Make sense? SAG-AFTRA base rate is like $350 per show. 5 shows per week, 52 weeks per year puts him at $91,000. That's the bare minimum they could be paying him, and I'm sure they're paying him more, but not THAT much more. Let's say they pay him 5x that. Still way, way less than someone like Levin, Hannity, or any of the other nationally-syndicated guys who are on a comparable number of affiliates.

The only reason he's on as many affiliates as he's on is because they're ClearChannel-owned stations. And the stations that aren't package Rush with Coast. This has been explained to you countless times.

None of that has any bearing my point. He's posting a profit Bateman. That's what I'm saying, bottom lines. It is not a charity and as long as he continues to post that profit, they'll keep him around. When he doesn't, he's gone. Well, he clearly isn't gone.

And it's wrong in my market. He isn't on a clear channel station here, he's on an Emmis station that had to fight the fucking St. Louis Cardinals to get the guy to come over. Look it up yourself, the affiliate he moved from was KTRS 550 and he moved to 97.1 FM KFTK. Neither is a clear channel station. It's apparently wrong in Juan's market as well.

[qaddisin]

So, by default in that position, you're saying that Noory is unprofitable and that Premiere keeps him on as a charitable effort.

No, his faults do not outshine his admirable qualities (of which I believer are none). He somehow appeals to an audience that is comprised of people I try to actively avoid. By your posts, you seem like a somewhat intelligent mammalian life form in the fact that you're able to string together words in a coherent manner (something the subject of these posts seems unable to do on a regular basis). The fact that you find him defensible makes me question your sanity.

I think he stays on because, aside from meeting the bottom line, no one really cares what happens from 1am to 5 am. If he were to be given a drive-time slot, I doubt he would last a week.

[bateman]

None of that has any bearing my point. He's posting a profit Bateman. That's what I'm saying, bottom lines. It is not a charity and as long as he continues to post that profit, they'll keep him around. When he doesn't, he's gone. Well, he clearly isn't gone.

Let me simplify this: when you have low overhead, you have a large profit margin.

I think he stays on because, aside from meeting the bottom line, no one really cares what happens from 1am to 5 am. If he were to be given a drive-time slot, I doubt he would last a week.

This. Are you reading these posts, Dolphin? Because these people are making a hell of a lot more sense than you are.

[SciFiAuthor]

No, not a charitable effort, but rather his profit level can be much less, and he's still valuable to the company.  I hear Carnivora and C. Crane advertised on other night time shows, such as Michael Savage.  As for affiliates, I'm sure there are lots of stations that would like to have the show.  Other than Red Eye, there's not much else on live.  Coast would naturally pick the station that would give them the most potential listeners.  Overnight has relatively few listeners, just because it is overnight.

Regarding cost - let's speculate.  We once had a figure of $400,000 for George under his old contract.  Suppose a raise to $600,000 in the new.  Even living in LA, I doubt Tommy makes $80,000, but let's give him that.  About the same for Lisa Lyon.  I can't think of anyone else who would be working exclusively for Coast - the rest seem to be general Cheap Channel employees.  So, let's allocate $100,000 for the lot of them covering their time working for Coast.  Add satellite time, electricity, sales commissions, etc.  That means they're producing a national radio show for around a million dollars.  That's not a lot of advertising.

Funny enough, I can't even get Savage here now. He has no affiliate in St. Louis. No one seems to want him. So they fight over Noory, but won't take Savage.

My point, of course, is that he's posting a profit. It doesn't matter what that profit is, or who is making what. The assertion was made that he wouldn't pass a job review. Well, if he's bringing in the money, then he's going to pass.

[SciFiAuthor]

Let me simplify this: when you have low overhead, you have a large profit margin.

This. Are you reading these posts, Dolphin? Because these people are making a hell of a lot more sense than you are.

Yes, and they don't mean jack shit in relation to the point I made. Onan set the goal post by claiming George wouldn't pass a job review. The fuck he wouldn't if he's posting a profit.

[DarKPenguiN]

Let me simplify this: when you have low overhead, you have a large profit margin.

This. Are you reading these posts, Dolphin? Because these people are making a hell of a lot more sense than you are.

Pretty much this...

Have you scanned the 'overnight' dial recently. There is "Noory" and there is the "Midnight Trucking Radio Network" AND if you are really lucky, some local show talking about Jesus.

If driving overnight, I too would be happy to listen to Noory as a result of nothing else being on and me being-a-nerd-who-is-getting-old-and-not-into-Music-like-I-used-to-be.

Fortunately I am tech savvy enough and have the knowledge of the "overnight Radio landscape" to properly prepare for overnight drives with long ass MP3 Audiobooks. Others are not so lucky and find themselves trapped....

Noory puts out a cheap "Mc Product" to be consumed by the masses... Mcdonalds is great at 4Am when you have been driving all night and dont want to stop....Actually no. No its not.

-Forget my entire point. 

[SciFiAuthor]

No, his faults do not outshine his admirable qualities (of which I believer are none). He somehow appeals to an audience that is comprised of people I try to actively avoid. By your posts, you seem like a somewhat intelligent mammalian life form in the fact that you're able to string together words in a coherent manner (something the subject of these posts seems unable to do on a regular basis). The fact that you find him defensible makes me question your sanity.

I think he stays on because, aside from meeting the bottom line, no one really cares what happens from 1am to 5 am. If he were to be given a drive-time slot, I doubt he would last a week.

Not defensible, per se. More just an attempt to be fair in assessment with no dog in the fight driving me to make wild claims about homosexual relationships between George and his Producer.

Art Bell wouldn't make it in a drive-time slot, much less George. The subject matter is all wrong and Art doesn't do potty humor or politics. That's pretty much drive time radio in a nutshell.

[SciFiAuthor]

And they know he is staying right where he is. 

With George they don't have to worry about turnover the way they would from other hosts leaving for better time slots.

They had to worry about that with Art?

[nooryisawesome]

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[nooryisawesome]

Good old Betsy has been on before Check out this AWESOME exchange which happened before

A snippet of a conversation from Coast to Coast AM tonight:

Betsey Lewis: I believe the Miracle of Fatima was a UFO mother ship.

George: I do too.

BL: You do?

George: (With the tone of someone clearly caught of guard): Yes, miracle or not if that were the sun coming down, I don’t care what, the sun would have burned everyone alive.

[DarKPenguiN]

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More and more people will unite in prayer and meditation to change the world. 

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Large earthquake hits northern Japan near Fukushima. This could worsen an already dire situation with the nuclear plant there.

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More typhoons and unprecedented weather for the world...winds and floods worldwide. Coastal areas be prepared.

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More predictions soon. Stay tuned...

THIS is why C2C AM is dead to me 

[onan]

Yes, and they don't mean jack shit in relation to the point I made. Onan set the goal post by claiming George wouldn't pass a job review. The fuck he wouldn't if he's posting a profit.

No I didn't, I said:

First off, on any of my performance reviews that showed 5 significant issues that impacted my performance for more than 6 months, I would be let go. And so would most people. If my superior let those issues continue for any time past that, their position would be in question. For it to go 10 years...

My implication was that noory has poor performance in many areas. And if you have an honest bone in your body you will acknowledge that if he interviewed and provided recordings of his work he wouldn't get hired. You are making the jump that he is in effect a salesman.

You made the jump, I didn't move the post. I guess if you are in rapid fire posting it would be easy to make the assumption you did.

It is still simple, how many asteroids have brains?

[qaddisin]

Not defensible, per se. More just an attempt to be fair in assessment with no dog in the fight driving me to make wild claims about homosexual relationships between George and his Producer.

So a few people making tasteless jokes offends your delicate sensibilities? How the hell do you manage to use the Internet?

Art Bell wouldn't make it in a drive-time slot, much less George. The subject matter is all wrong and Art doesn't do potty humor or politics. That's pretty much drive time radio in a nutshell.

First, it was Art's show that was purchased by PremRat. Art chose his time slot, because he knew it worked for him. Noory didn't choose it, he inherited it.

Second, if Noory had been offered a drive time show, do you think he would have refused it because it wouldn't work for him? The man craves attention and exposure. He doesn't give two shits about the 'paranormal', it's merely a vehicle for him to get his face and voice out there.

[qaddisin]

It is still simple, how many asteroids have brains?

Or, for a man that claims to be interested in ancient cultures, and is somehow considered an 'authority' by the History Channel, does not know what Sanskrit is.

What. The. Fuck.

[coaster]

Or, for a man that claims to be interested in ancient cultures, and is somehow considered an 'authority' by the History Channel, does not know what Sanskrit is.

What. The. Fuck.

No one on the "History" channel is an authority on anything. Its nothing but pseudo-science bullshit. That and redneck pawn star alligator hunters.