President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

I know it is popular to criticize any plans to secure our border but what about yours? Are you good with letting them all just march over? Grant all and sundry asylum and put them on the dole? How to pay for it? Maybe cut all military spending, why even have a military, to the extent you do so, if there is no country, but even that money won't cover all the people in the world who want to mooch or invade. You want a Calais-style camp in your garden? And, no, you can't have a door or fence because "no borders, please."

This wall proposal? How effective on a practical level do you think it will be? Unless it's backed up as you have suggested with mine fields and/or machine gun towers? And will you be willing to accept that the USA will have dropped down to the level of NK, old East Germany, Cambodia (as was), a great deal of the USSR and certain areas in southern Asia? Or don't you care that you'll be seen as barbaric peasants doing the bidding of King Trump?

[albrecht]

This wall proposal? How effective on a practical level do you think it will be? Unless it's backed up as you have suggested with mine fields and/or machine gun towers? And will you be willing to accept that the USA will have dropped down to the level of NK, old East Germany, Cambodia (as was), a great deal of the USSR and certain areas in southern Asia? Or don't you care that you'll be seen as barbaric peasants doing the bidding of King Trump?

Again the unanswered question. Forget about your obsession with our country. What about yours? Will you accept any and all comers? Why do you try to have a border or immigration scheme? Do you have a fence on your property? Ever lock your doors? Will you allow some Calais-style camp in your garden? Maybe let some rape go on in your shed due to a "sexual emergency" of a "refugee?" How to pay for them all? Even when they go on the dole the money will run out at some point?

re: Trump's wall, I see it as more a symbol. The real debate is should a country have a border and do you even have a country if you have no border or immigration controls. A wall could work at certain choke-points, but more effective would be civil, and criminal, penalties for anybody, organization, or business who harbors, feeds, helps, employs, or transports illegals and a sane immigration and VISA policy.

[21st Century Man]

... but more effective would be civil, and criminal, penalties for anybody, organization, or business who harbors, feeds, helps, employs, or transports illegals and a sane immigration and VISA policy.

Exactly and that is going to be a hard sell to the chamber of crony capitalism but I think we can get it done as long as our voice is heard.

[onan]

Exactly and that is going to be a hard sell to the chamber of crony capitalism but I think we can get it done as long as our voice is heard.

Yeah, although I agree immigration should be followed to the letter of the law. I think prosecuting churches, especially the Catholic Church for their involvement in aid will get you nowhere and possibly hurt your efforts significantly.

[The King of Kings]

Yeah because you need a megalomaniac narcissist and an evangelical bible thumper with primitive thoughts in the Whitehouse...oh yes.

Right.  And Britcucks literally have a make believe Queen and Princess!

Not to mention a ruling class that decrees the average Britcuck citizen cannot purchase spoons until they are 18 years or older.  Literally the government looked around at the idiots who live in the UK and drafted a law outlawing the purchase of spoons until the populace reaches 18 years of age.

Not to mention London is 60% afrikan and muslim immigrants.

Sharia Law is already happening.

Rape, murder, theft and assault have skyrocketed due to the influx of these third world radicalized immigrants.

"Oh but look at us, we are so avant-garde with our multiculturalism!!"

"We cover up and ignore thousands of child rapes by afrikan and muslim immigrants, we don't want to upset them or be called racist!!"

[The King of Kings]

This wall proposal? How effective on a practical level do you think it will be? Unless it's backed up as you have suggested with mine fields and/or machine gun towers? And will you be willing to accept that the USA will have dropped down to the level of NK, old East Germany, Cambodia (as was), a great deal of the USSR and certain areas in southern Asia? Or don't you care that you'll be seen as barbaric peasants doing the bidding of King Trump?

Seen as barbaric by whom?  You? A Britcuck?  Whose citizens and government ignore and cover up thousands of child rape crimes by immigrants?

Secondly, we already have vast stretches of fences and metal barriers along our border.

Hell, if you Britcucks want our illegal immigrants we can ship em' over.

I love how a Britcuck whose country prides itself on regressing into a third world muslim shit hole, thinks it is barbaric for a country to secure it's borders if there is an issue with security, safety, and illegal immigration.

[Lt.Uhura]

How do I tell you this... no wall is going to be built.

The most disturbing aspect of Trump's imaginary wall, is the fact that he's so easily manipulated his followers.  Appealing to their primitive brains with classic fear-mongering and demagoguery, he's painted himself as their savior from the Others who are, of course, the cause of all their misery.

[onan]

The most disturbing aspect of Trump's imaginary wall, is the fact that he's so easily manipulated his followers.  Appealing to their primitive brains with classic fear-mongering and demagoguery, he's painted himself as their savior from the Others who are, of course, the cause of all their misery.

I see some of that. But I also see some pretty smart people following Trump. I don't get it. I do understand that at the same time many don't get me. so I guess it balances out. Trump scares me.

[albrecht]

Yeah, although I agree immigration should be followed to the letter of the law. I think prosecuting churches, especially the Catholic Church for their involvement in aid will get you nowhere and possibly hurt your efforts significantly.

Probably so, I don't imagine at all that our country would ever do any of my plans or defend itself because there are too many selfish interests profiting from illegals and uncontrolled immigration- but if it decided to do so we would need to deal the Catholic Church as they are a big part of encouraging, and helping, immigrants and "refugees"- and not just Catholic ones. The Pope is even, at least tacitly, encouraging the Islamic invasion in Europe. Screw him and their corrupt, kiddie-fiddlin' ways.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

The most disturbing aspect of Trump's imaginary wall, is the fact that he's so easily manipulated his followers.  Appealing to their primitive brains with classic fear-mongering and demagoguery, he's painted himself as their savior from the Others who are, of course, the cause of all their misery.

I would like people to be specific as I find these kinds of over dramatizations tend to be based on liberal fear memes than anything. No offense but I've had these conversations with a lot of people and some half-people (Canadians) and these over dramatizations seem to lead to liberal fear memes.

I wasn't pro-Trump until I listened to him in the debates. Love his international and economic views. I think he's talking out of both sides of his mouth on domestic issues. There are definitely elements of him that scare me. I think domestic spying and federal intervention would get crazy under him. But at this point, every other candidate is way worse in my opinion.

[The King of Kings]

Serious, snark free question for Trump supporters: Do you ever get tired of him constantly boasting of his accomplishments and reminding everyone of how great he is?  At first, I thought it was just boorish arrogance, but after hearing it over and over for a few months it just sounds like he's very insecure and needy. Despite what he would have people think, there are many entrepreneurs in the U.S. who are much wealthier and who have made significant lasting contributions to society that go far beyond slapping their names on a few hotels and golf courses.  People like Bill Gates and Larry Ellison may have their arrogant sides, but they don't loudly and publicly proclaim their greatness every chance they get.  Stephen Hawking doesn't either, and Warren Buffett is about as humble and self-effacing a multi-billionaire that you will find anywhere.  What is it about Trump that compels him to endlessly crave praise and affirmation if it's not insecurity?  Thanks!

I have said it before and I will say it again.  I know exactly who and what The Donald is.  He is a buffoon. 

In contrast, who else do we have to vote for?  Ted Crud?  A crazy religious zealot who attends conferences where the speakers call for the genocide of gays?  A guy literally no one likes and is fake, whose mother prays for him every day hours on end?

Or Hillary?  I honestly don't need to add anything past the world Hillary as we all know about her.

So who do we have, what do we want?

Trump for me wants to end illegal immigration and tighten our southern border with a wall.  That is enough for me to vote for him.

Illegal immigration has been a problem for the last 30+ years.  Ending illegal immigration used to a Democrat position simply because blue color workers who voted Democrat were losing their jobs to these illegal immigrants who would work for a third of their wage.

Illegal immigration causes significant problems with crime, lowering of wages for Americans, lowering the standard of living for Americans.  It impacts school districts struggling to teach all these children of illegal immigrants, it impacts Hospitals who treat all these illegal immigrants.  People who live in areas with high populations of illegal immigrants see their car insurance rates skyrocket as these illegal immigrants haven't completed driver's ed or have a licence or insurance.  Not to mention ever increasing property taxes to fund the resources of these communities who budget is consumed with the problems of illegal immigration.

The only people who are benefiting are the rich 1% who are paying literally slave wages to these illegal immigrants, and the Democratic politicians looking to bolster their numbers.

So if you aren't part of the 1% and a business owner who employees these illegal immigrants, and are not a Democrat politician, you do not benefit.

That is why I am voting for Trump.

[Lt.Uhura]

I see some of that. But I also see some pretty smart people following Trump. I don't get it. I do understand that at the same time many don't get me. so I guess it balances out. Trump scares me.

As you well know Onan, smart people suffer delusions too.  He's ignighting their fears, which trumps (pun intended) logic and intelligent reasoning. 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

As you well know Onan, smart people suffer delusions too.  He's ignighting their fears, which trumps (pun intended) logic and intelligent reasoning. 

Trump is comparing his opponents to Hitler, saying they want nuclear war and theorizing that they're evil racists who will persecute certain races and classes of people?

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I have said it before and I will say it again.  I know exactly who and what The Donald is.  He is a buffoon. 

In contrast, who else do we have to vote for?  Ted Crud?  A crazy religious zealot who attends conferences where the speakers call for the genocide of gays?  A guy literally no one likes and is fake, whose mother prays for him every day hours on end?

Or Hillary?  I honestly don't need to add anything past the world Hillary as we all know about her.

So who do we have, what do we want?

Trump for me wants to end illegal immigration and tighten our southern border with a wall.  That is enough for me to vote for him.

Illegal immigration has been a problem for the last 30+ years.  Ending illegal immigration used to a Democrat position simply because blue color workers who voted Democrat were losing their jobs to these illegal immigrants who would work for a third of their wage.

Illegal immigration causes significant problems with crime, lowering of wages for Americans, lowering the standard of living for Americans.  It impacts school districts struggling to teach all these children of illegal immigrants, it impacts Hospitals who treat all these illegal immigrants.  People who live in areas with high populations of illegal immigrants see their car insurance rates skyrocket as these illegal immigrants haven't completed driver's ed or have a licence or insurance.  Not to mention ever increasing property taxes to fund the resources of these communities who budget is consumed with the problems of illegal immigration.

The only people who are benefiting are the rich 1% who are paying literally slave wages to these illegal immigrants, and the Democratic politicians looking to bolster their numbers.

So if you aren't part of the 1% and a business owner who employees these illegal immigrants, and are not a Democrat politician, you do not benefit.

That is why I am voting for Trump.

Fair enough. However, even if he does take care of immigration to your satisfaction, doesn't the prospect of what the "buffoon" will do in every other regard scare the hell out of you?  Electing someone who will fix one thing while possibly wrecking, through incompetence and his monstrous ego, everything else seems like the reverse of throwing the baby out with the bath water. 

[PKaiser]

"Oh but look at us, we are so avant-garde with our multiculturalism!!"

More like avant-garde a clue, wouldn't you say?

[The King of Kings]

I see some of that. But I also see some pretty smart people following Trump. I don't get it. I do understand that at the same time many don't get me. so I guess it balances out. Trump scares me.

The reason people like Trump is he wants to actually take tangible steps to solve a pretty big issue that has been going on for the last 30+ years, and that is the problem of illegal immigration.

The reason people like Trump is they believe him when he talks about how terrible our trade deals are with oher countries, and the implications of our corrupt politicians benefiting from lobbyist financial influence.

You have to be brain dead or simply do not care if you refuse to see the corruption in our political system and the financial pay days these politicians receive promoting and voting for bills and measures they know nothing about.

The other politicians simply want to talk in the abstract or the philosophy of doing something.  Trump is actually stating we are going to follow the laws we already have, deport illegal immigrants and bolster our southern border even more with a wall.

People seem to think that illegal immigration is suddenly an issue, yet a mountain of time and energy has been spent debating this very issue for the last 30+ years by both parties.

People seem to think a wall is terrible, yet we have armed guards, border patrols, satellite surveillance, video surveillance, radar surveillance, barbed wired fences, and steel barriers already at our southern border.

People seem to think deporting people is suddenly a terrible idea, yet deportation of illegal immigrants has skyrocketed under the Obama administration with positive economic growth for American families.

[norland2424]

Fair enough. However, even if he does take care of immigration to your satisfaction, doesn't the prospect of what the "buffoon" will do in every other regard scare the hell out of you?  Electing someone who will fix one thing while possibly wrecking, through incompetence and his monstrous ego, everything else seems like the reverse of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

While im not for or against trump as president, my biggest concern is that he will just end up being obama 2.0, a fake saviour with empty promises.

[Lt.Uhura]

I think Trump's undoing will come from his own sketchy business practices.  Where are his tax returns?  Why the delay?  Even the IRS has said an audit doesn't prevent him from disclosing his records.

If dirt is being dug by the anti-Trump GOP camp, they shouldn't have to dig too deep.  Exposing any illegal or unethical business practices could threaten his momentum.  Here is just one example...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/2016/03/08/donald-trump-and-the-empty-jewelry-box-tax-scam/#69d7ea6c6aa7

[Lt.Uhura]

Trump is comparing his opponents to Hitler, saying they want nuclear war and theorizing that they're evil racists who will persecute certain races and classes of people?

Same game, new strategies.

[The King of Kings]

Fair enough. However, even if he does take care of immigration to your satisfaction, doesn't the prospect of what the "buffoon" will do in every other regard scare the hell out of you?  Electing someone who will fix one thing while possibly wrecking, through incompetence and his monstrous ego, everything else seems like the reverse of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I think a scarier proposition is having two War Hawks like Ted Cruz or Hillary in the White House.

It disgusts me that our country seems to be driven by military might and military expenditure.  Although Trump doesn't have a political record of voting for War, his public record indicates non-involvement, which I hope his influence and reasoning will carry over to a more isolationist stance on foreign entanglements.

I think Ted Cruz wants to get into the White House to start religious wars and I think Hillary wants to get into the White House to start wars where she and her partners can financially benefit.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Same game, new strategies.

So you're saying Trump is more progressive than his Democratic rivals?

[Rix Gins]

Does anyone know what The Donald's views are regarding Foreign Aid?  I'm sure we spend billions on it, and give it to countries that have less than favorable views of us.  It's always been my opinion that as long as we need bridges, roads, and schools, not one penny should go to another country.  I'd like to know how Trump would handle it if he were President.  I have yet to see the question brought up during any of the debates. 

[onan]

As you well know Onan, smart people suffer delusions too.  He's ignighting their fears, which trumps (pun intended) logic and intelligent reasoning. 

Well, delusional may be a bit strong. Irrational, sure, but that fits all of us. The truth is we are all tossing our ropes on our particular candidate based on beliefs that are not always as simple as considered at the time the actual decision was made. Is Hillary really a hawk only in it for her personal fortune? There is no way to really know that except if one is in the head of Hillary. Is Trump really going to be able to change business treaties with foreign countries? Again, there is no way to know without actually being part of the negotiation. So we all hedge our bets on our beliefs. To a large degree, no matter how unpopular the statement is, we are all irrational. We just try to mitigate the damages.

[The General]

There was a time that I'd probably have gone so far as to volunteer for the Trump campaign, or at least go to the caucus and vote for him like I did with Ron Paul.  I was actually an alternate delegate for Ron Paul at our state convention in 2012.  I believed that he could make a difference.  I like the idea of an outsider.  I like the idea of a wall.  I like the idea of more competitive trade.  I wish Trump were more adamant about liberty issues, but overall he makes a lot of sense to me.

Unfortunately, none of it matters.   We're at a point in America where we can no longer stand to bear the burden of our vices OR their remedies.  We're headed towards some very bad economic problems due to our unfunded liabilities, and it won't matter much who is president because the problem is already there, already very real, and already beyond fixing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjv-MtGpj2U

At this point, we're just arguing over who gets to be the funeral director of our dying economy.

[Lt.Uhura]

So you're saying Trump is more progressive than his Democratic rivals?

You're confused.  I'm saying Trump's tactics of manipulating people through fear and xenophobia are not unique, not new to American politics.  Social scientists are taking notes.  The only thing different about Trump are his efforts seem to be for his own entertainment--a first-class shit disturber.  He has no clearly defined coherent plan to lead the nation.  Like the guy that starts a bar fight, then slips out the back door as chaos ensues.

[ItsOver]

You're confused.  I'm saying Trump's tactics of manipulating people through fear and xenophobia are not unique, not new to American politics.  Social scientists are taking notes.  The only thing different about Trump are his efforts seem to be for his own entertainment--a first-class shit disturber.  He has no clearly defined coherent plan to lead the nation.  Like the guy that starts a bar fight, then slips out the back door as chaos ensues.

Eh, I'm getting kind of used to this tactic.  What's another 8 years?

[chefist]

You're confused.  I'm saying Trump's tactics of manipulating people through fear and xenophobia are not unique, not new to American politics.  Social scientists are taking notes.  The only thing different about Trump are his efforts seem to be for his own entertainment--a first-class shit disturber.  He has no clearly defined coherent plan to lead the nation.  Like the guy that starts a bar fight, then slips out the back door as chaos ensues.

Left uses fear just as much in their politics...Trump (or any Republican) is a racist, next Hitler, Republicans will take away your social security, Granny will die from living in the street or starvation, kids will die of hunger, etc, etc...the left is just as guilty as the right in terms of using fear to manipulate the voters...

[onan]

Left uses fear just as much in their politics...Trump (or any Republican) is a racist, next Hitler, Republicans will take away your social security, Granny will die from living in the street or starvation, kids will die of hunger, etc, etc...the left is just as guilty as the right in terms of using fear to manipulate the voters...

Are you suggesting the tactics come from the voters and the candidates are simply victims of misunderstanding?

[chefist]

Are you suggesting the tactics come from the voters and the candidates are simply victims of misunderstanding?

Politicians use the fears of the voters to their advantage...that's all I'm saying...different groups of voters have different types of fears...

[onan]

Politicians use the fears of the voters to their advantage...that's all I'm saying...different groups of voters have different types of fears...

I agree with you there. The little I have listened to Trump, I haven't seen a difference.