Steve Warner's Dark City

[onan]

You're just the devil. Want some mentos? Got a shitload of them from Walmart yesterday.

Sure, I'm just hangin' out.

[Event Horizon]

I don't want to derail Steve's thread anymore, so I'll just say this last bit and leave it.  You stated: "Forcing Christian Churches to marry gays is stupid, and authoritarian."  The majority of your post where you said this was about wedding ceremonies where churches were being forced by the government to hold same-sex ceremonies.  A bit more was about politics.  I asked for evidence of this happening.  You linked to four news articles that I was lead to think would show this.  They do not.

Now you say I need to find the stories myself.  My contention is that they do not exist.  That it is an irrational fear propagated by a false sense of Christian Persecution that in reality makes real Christian persecution (e.g., being killed for their beliefs in countries in Africa and elsewhere) marginalized.  Therefore, because I do not think that churches in the U.S. being required by the government to marry anyone that they do not want to marry do not exist, if you are making that claim, you need to back it up with evidence.

Now you have changed it such that you don't like public accommodation non-discrimination laws / ordinances.  That is a separate issue.  Completely separate issue from a religious organization within the U.S. being required to do something that conflicts with their religion.  I have mixed feelings on the public accommodation issue that mainly fall along the slippery slope argument:  E.g., is a hospital a public accommodation? What if it's a hospital that is affiliated with a religious organization and therefore wants to only treat straight people who follow that religion?  They're the only hospital within 5 hours.  Should they be allowed to discriminate?  I don't think so.  But where do you draw the line between a hospital or a bakery?  I'm not sure, but that's a completely separate discussion, as I said, and one I won't comment on further.

Therefore, back to my original contention that this weird persecution complex is, well, weird, and it is not based in reality for the specific claim that religious organizations will be required to participate in the marriage ceremony in any way.  There does not seem to be any evidence of this being true.  Rather, the Christian Persecution complex seems to be rooted in the fact that Christians are starting to lose their favored status in some places and in some aspects of public life in the U.S. and be relegated to the same rules and policies that the rest of us have to deal with.

My main point was: Liberalism is an authoritarian anti-human ideology.
I don't care if they currently forcing pastors to marry gays.
I posted the 4 links because you asked me me for evidence for what YOU wanted to know, not I.
So I posted the first 4 links that came up, and informed you to use google yourself next time YOU want to know something.
I only care about the bigger picture:
The current struggle for gay "rights" represents the next logical step of liberating of the individuality from any kind of collective belongingness.
Liberals follow a clear and logical path here.
First, destruction of Nations, painting them as something negative, terrible.
Followed by attacking family values, mother, father, marriage.
Followed by liberating the individual from sexual (collective) identity, because when you're a "man" or a "woman", you share this identity with other men and women, which they want to overcome. So sexual identity should be optional in the Liberal view.
Libs want to "liberate" the individual from any other form of belonging.
Not man or woman should be the measure of things, but each individual for himself.
That's why Liberals are now also starting to promote pedophilia in some countries in Europa.
I shit you not, they're really doing that. eg. the Green party in Germany.
https://juergenelsaesser.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/compact-72015-grune-kinderschander-ab-heute-am-kiosk/

They are essentially engaging in the destruction of any kind of traditional values,
because tradition means you share something with others, and there is a kind of norm.
Liberalism tries to destroy all kinds of norms. The only collective norm necessary and obligatory is destruction itself (the other name for Liberalism).

So the struggle for gay "rights" is one of the most important steps in the development of liberal strategy,
the last step after that is the destruction of the human identity (followed by post-humanism, trans-humanism).
It's not something "casual", it's liberalism in action, it's the last step of Liberalism before attacking human nature itself.
After that, being human is optional. You could be human, but you could also chose not to.
But you are REQUIRED be tolerant with post-human, or not-human.
So, if you understand that, OF COURSE it is an attack (also) against Christianity.

PS. funny what just showed up in youtube for me:
http://youtu.be/0Hg9YjqpL8M

[Heather Wade]

The Hoagland interview is a great listen, Bateman!  Radio Soap Opera never disappoints. 

[SredniVashtar]

My main point was: Liberalism is an authoritarian anti-human ideology.

Wow!, that post contained practically every canard I have ever heard on this subject. Well done, I guess. 

If you are going to post a YouTube link, in support of your position, by someone clearly insane, then I think your attempts at research are as lazy as your opinions. I suppose you believe everything you read on World Net Daily and then it all goes on from there. No doubt you think Christmas is under attack every year too.

Nothing anybody can say is going to convince you that what you believe is untrue, but sometimes just enjoying a social life and taking an interest in other people can alleviate the worst effects of this paranoia you are suffering from.

I don't know how old you are, but please don't waste any more of your life on this; and don't give any more money to Alex Jones. He doesn't need it.

[Event Horizon]

The youtube link was more for shits and giggles.
But the guy really isn't as crazy as he looks.
He's a Jew who converted to orthodox Christianity,
so naturally he gets attacked a lot.

[SredniVashtar]

The youtube link was more for shits and giggles.
But the guy really isn't as crazy as he looks.
He's a Jew who converted to orthodox Christianity,
so naturally he gets attack a lot.

Yes, he sets himself up as the true Catholic Church or something. Just an excuse to flounce around in fancy dress. It would be impossible to be as crazy as he looks, but he is quite crazy enough for ordinary purposes.

[Event Horizon]

Actually, he's NOT Catholic, he's Orthodox.

As for "every canard" - I thought I explained the Liberal ideology pretty well and logical.
But that's all I will write about the subject.

[Jackstar]

My main point was: Liberalism is an authoritarian anti-human ideology.

Jesus, buzz-word much?

[Jackstar]

Wow!, that post contained practically every canard I have ever heard on this subject. Well done, I guess. 

7.3

[Jackstar]

I thought I explained the Liberal ideology pretty well and logical.

That's implicit since that's what you posted. What you thought you did pretty well, anyway.

[SredniVashtar]

Actually, he's NOT Catholic, he's Orthodox.

As for "every canard" - I thought I explained the Liberal ideology pretty well and logical.
But that's all I will write about the subject.

Promise?

[Juan Cena]

My main point was: Liberalism is an authoritarian anti-human ideology.

You spelled Libertarianism wrong.

[North_Star]

Listened to the Hoagland interview and I don't know how Bateman kept from shouting at RCH to shut the hell up and let Bateman finish a sentence.

[Paradox]

The Hoagland interview is a great listen, Bateman!  Radio Soap Opera never disappoints.

I enjoyed it greatly and have shared it with others.  They have commented that it was a good listen and gave it a thumbs up. 

Listened to the Hoagland interview and I don't know how Bateman kept from shouting at RCH to shut the hell up and let Bateman finish a sentence.

I thought I picked up a tad of jaw clenching patience and perseverance at times.  lol

[bateman]

The Hoagland interview is a great listen, Bateman!  Radio Soap Opera never disappoints. 

I enjoyed it greatly and have shared it with others.  They have commented that it was a good listen and gave it a thumbs up. 

Listened to the Hoagland interview and I don't know how Bateman kept from shouting at RCH to shut the hell up and let Bateman finish a sentence.

I thought I picked up a tad of jaw clenching patience and perseverance at times.  lol

Heh, there are different ways of dealing with the Hoagie. I just wanted him to get his story out this time.

[Heather Wade]

Can't wait to hear what you've got up your sleeve for your next show.

[albrecht]

and if the one hour "short show" will be released, at least to tide us over? A quick key-bump if we can't get a line?

[EarthAlien007]

Can't wait to hear what you've got up your sleeve for your next show.

Art Bell?
George Knapp?

[Heather Wade]

Art Bell?
George Knapp?

It's Bateman... one cannot know.

[ziznak]

omg.... "george threw a hissy fit live on the air" that's classic i can't believe he said that.  As much as i think hoagie-boy is a quack I've really gotta hand it to him his gift for gab is definitely up there.  great shows as usual homie

[popple]

It's Bateman... one cannot know.

[Heather Wade]

I, for one, would never want him to.  Just wouldn't be the same Dark City if he did.   

[HorrorRetro]

That reminds me. Can anyone remember what Hoagland's theory about Old Navy was? I remember he mentioned it once to Art when he retired (again) and were doing their last show together, and he was recalling it as a particularly memorable show but never mentioned any more about it. It has bugged me off and on ever since.

I was listening to that show live back in '94 or '95. Hoagland claimed that the Illuminati held meetings in Old Navy stores. But they were only specific Old Navy stores. You had to walk in and see striped rugby shirts that were priced at $19.50. If you saw those shirts at that price, you were in the right place for the meeting.  : As stupid as it sounds, it was entertaining way back then. 

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

I was listening to that show live back in '94 or '95. Hoagland claimed that the Illuminati held meetings in Old Navy stores. But they were only specific Old Navy stores. You had to walk in and see striped rugby shirts that were priced at $19.50. If you saw those shirts at that price, you were in the right place for the meeting.  : As stupid as it sounds, it was entertaining way back then.

Silly me for thinking Hoagland had gotten crazier over the years.

[nooryisawesome]

Can't wait to hear what you've got up your sleeve for your next show.

I heard from a reliable source it was the inventor of Horse Porn.

[cweb]

I heard from a reliable source it was the inventor of Horse Porn.

Horse Porn?

Neigh.

[MrHippie]

To get back on track here regarding Steve Warner's Dark City
I just discovered Batemans show and he is a great radio host.
Intelligent and on target questions. He cares about the guest and the listeners.
Will be listening to other shows when I have time.

Regarding the RCH interview - Steve said lets get right to it. and he did. Respectful and not afraid to go where we, the listeners, wanted him to go. R. Hoagland is on our radar because of Art Bell. and like so many authors/researchers in the these subjects he has some value and can't be dismissed. And his hair is still perfect.

[Roswells, Art]

To get back on track here regarding Steve Warner's Dark City
I just discovered Batemans show and he is a great radio host.
Intelligent and on target questions. He cares about the guest and the listeners.
Will be listening to other shows when I have time.

Regarding the RCH interview - Steve said lets get right to it. and he did. Respectful and not afraid to go where we, the listeners, wanted him to go. R. Hoagland is on our radar because of Art Bell. and like so many authors/researchers in the these subjects he has some value and can't be dismissed. And his hair is still perfect.

Yep.

[Jackstar]

The key intel about Bateman's Dark City show, is that his first guest was Peter Davenport.

Steve Warner knows what's up.

[popple]

Steve Warner, yewwwww're my herrrrro!

Grace: Oh, he's very popular Ed. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.

You did very well. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND & ENJOY MONDAY!