George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[MV/Liberace!]

George Noory Sucks!
Is that better?

it's a remarkable improvement.

[WOTR]

HOWEVER, George has had his fair shake. He's had plenty of time to improve. I am speaking for myself in saying that I have given up that the show will improve. Does that mean he can't improve? No. He certainly can. It just means I don't believe he will.

Consistency and time may prove me wrong but he's got a tall mountain to climb.

I believe that he is making a bit of an effort.  There are people here who say that he was good in St. Louis as the nighthawk and I think that most of us would agree that the show slipped consistently over the last 10 years.  I do not think I would say he was a great host when he first took over the position, but he was better than he is today.  If it takes a decade of slow erosion to end up with the product you have I cannot see how anybody expected him to show up one day and turn out Coast gold.  There will have to be a progression from today's product to one resembling fertilizer, to one resembling decomposing matter to one resembling fecal matter before it can start through the next steps to become something fresh and wholesome. 

I think it is fair to say that many people will not be making that journey- but I cannot imagine that people thought he would show up here, take some advice, jump in his chair and turn into the best damn interviewer around.  Think of it as a recovering alcoholic.  It will be one day at a time, one improvement at a time with some backsliding before he either shows his determination and Coast becomes the show that it could be or he gives up and stumbles into the gutter pulling the carcass of coast with him (Art may be driving the street sweeper that collects the remains to cart them off to deposit them in the dust bin of history.)

Perhaps Dave is the product of putting up with Tommy for 10 years.

Now that is an interesting thought... Dave was always an excellent host and Tommy drug him down little by little over the last decade by misprinting the 3X5's and only giving him crap callers.  I am going to enjoy dwelling on this for awhile...

[zeebo]

What would constitute a major change?

Rewiring George's brain & personality so that he truly cares about and is actually capable of having real conversations with guests - which would involve thoughtful pre-show research, actively listening to the guest, absorbing ideas, analysing those ideas with critical reasoning skills, formulating interesting follow-up questions, and building rapport - rather than just breezing through a bunch of pre-canned disjointed questions and then mostly ignoring the answers. 

[SciFiAuthor]

Rewiring George's brain & personality so that he truly cares about and is actually capable of having real conversations with guests - which would involve thoughtful pre-show research, actively listening to the guest, absorbing ideas, analysing those ideas with critical reasoning skills, formulating interesting follow-up questions, and building rapport - rather than just breezing through a bunch of pre-canned disjointed questions and then mostly ignoring the answers. 

Totally possible. Interviewing is a learned art, people go to school for it, it's part talent and part technique, and I've heard Noory perform a decent interview in the past. I dunno about critical reasoning skills though, if that were really truly ever applied to coast's guest list from AB to the present, it would knock out 98% of the guests. Everything else seems solvable to me.

[onan]

Totally possible. Interviewing is a learned art, people go to school for it, it's part talent and part technique, and I've heard Noory perform a decent interview in the past. I dunno about critical reasoning skills though, if that were really truly ever applied to coast's guest list from AB to the present, it would knock out 98% of the guests. Everything else seems solvable to me.

I understand supporting the underdog. But for the life of me, I don't see what noory has done to deserve the kind of support you bring to this thread. I almost think that if not for stubbornness you would give it up. I don't remember your posts word for word, but I think you listed noory's faults, at least some of them. Noory has had more than a decade to polish his skill, and he didn't. Whether he lacked the desire or management didn't support a more interesting dynamic... I just don't care anymore. Noory spent the last of his credibility with me more than 2 years ago.

If reports started coming out tomorrow that noory had suddenly become the best interviewer ever, I would still refrain from his show for a very long time (yes now I am stubborn).

I will give you props for staying mostly positive in your arguments. But, and I think you already know this, you haven't converted anyone here. I respect your arguments, but not noory's skill.

[Nucky Nolan]

Totally possible. Interviewing is a learned art, people go to school for it, it's part talent and part technique, and I've heard Noory perform a decent interview in the past.

Not to be argumentative (we're all entitled to our own opinions and all that), but I don't understand your responses in light of the fact that we're not discussing some new host who first touched a microphone in June of this year. We're talking about someone who's hosted Coast for over a decade, not some young novice who's auditioning for the main gig and desperately needs tips due to his lack of experience.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  There are people here who say that he was good in St. Louis as the nighthawk...

We've heard mention of this here and there, but never any specifics, certainly no audio clips.

Most recently, we've heard this from no other than SciFiWriter.

[SciFiAuthor]

I understand supporting the underdog. But for the life of me, I don't see what noory has done to deserve the kind of support you bring to this thread. I almost think that if not for stubbornness you would give it up. I don't remember your posts word for word, but I think you listed noory's faults, at least some of them. Noory has had more than a decade to polish his skill, and he didn't. Whether he lacked the desire or management didn't support a more interesting dynamic... I just don't care anymore. Noory spent the last of his credibility with me more than 2 years ago.

If reports started coming out tomorrow that noory had suddenly become the best interviewer ever, I would still refrain from his show for a very long time (yes now I am stubborn).

I will give you props for staying mostly positive in your arguments. But, and I think you already know this, you haven't converted anyone here. I respect your arguments, but not noory's skill.

Nah, I won't get any converts. I'm not out for that. But, you know, if I met Obama I could say "You're the single worst president in history" and he'd give me the finger and walk off. I would have no effect and it would simply be a way for me to blow off steam at being pissed off at his performance. On the other hand, if I said "Here's how I see the problem, and here's a way to fix the problem" I'd get a better response--but still not vote for him.

Well, you know, my overarching thinking is that I can have 7-8 hours of listening to this kind of subject matter instead of tuning into political talk. Those that do not believe Noory can improve by default want only 3-4 hours. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Yeah, sure, George Noory sucks. But he can suck less. I've heard him suck less. He was here Friday sucking less in real time right in front of us.

Everything else is simply responding to what people put to me specifically.

[SciFiAuthor]

Not to be argumentative (we're all entitled to our own opinions and all that), but I don't understand your responses in light of the fact that we're not discussing some new host who first touched a microphone in June of this year. We're talking about someone who's hosted Coast for over a decade, not some young novice who's auditioning for the main gig and desperately needs tips due to his lack of experience.

You had him here asking you how he should improve. Not once, but most of the time he was on air last week. That's the basis of my responses.

[SciFiAuthor]

We've heard mention of this here and there, but never any specifics, certainly no audio clips.

Most recently, we've heard this from no other than SciFiWriter.

I don't have any clips, but it's not invented. He was a broadcaster on 550 KTRS in St. Louis for years in the hours preceding Art's show. I think Noory came on at 9 pm, and then Art at 12 on the same channel.

[Nucky Nolan]

You had him here asking you how he should improve. Not once, but most of the time he was on air last week. That's the basis of my responses.

It was quite a coincidence that George asked for tips around the same time that Art announced the start of his new show. You don't think that the two are related?

[SciFiAuthor]

It was quite a coincidence that George asked for tips around the same time that Art announced the start of his new show. You don't think that the two are related?

They probably are, sure. But they're on at different times on two different media. Art's out saying that his presence will raise all boats. Does it make sense to toss anchors at one of the boats?

[Nucky Nolan]

They probably are, sure. But they're on at different times on two different media. Art's out saying that his presence will raise all boats. Does it make sense to toss anchors at one of the boats?

That's nice of Art to say. Sadly, the other captain crashed his ship into an iceberg years ago, and he now wants navigation lessons.

[Catsmile]

They probably are, sure. But they're on at different times on two different media. Art's out saying that his presence will raise all boats. Does it make sense to toss anchors at one of the boats?

Noorie had 10 years to build his boat, he chose to be an anchor not us.
Screw the poor ol' me act, after all the hater crap he spouted for years in his forum a national radio show, with millions of lissners. He wants my help PAY ME, and I will think about it! What an ass. We don't have to do any anchor tossing Noorie did that all by himself. This thread is just a record of each hole Noorie puts in the ship.

You keep piping him in here and you may get on air with him to push one of your books, or he may pick you for a ghost writer of his next book "How to be Excellent at Sucking".

[PB the Deplorable]

They probably are, sure. But they're on at different times on two different media. Art's out saying that his presence will raise all boats. Does it make sense to toss anchors at one of the boats?

Just to be clear, I would be delighted to see George fired, humiliated, and living under a bridge.  With Tommy.  He took a show that was a lot of people's favorite, and utterly ruined it.  On purpose and without remorse.

He would rather have a lousy show than put in the effort it would take to be better.  He has distain for the guests, callers, and topics.  He spends his on-air time doing any number of things instead of listening to the callers and guests, and having a conversation - no follow ups, no thoughtful questions, just on to the next cue card when they stop to take a breath.  He has shown us in as many different ways as he can think of that he is not a nice guy.  His personal stories don't ring true, yet manage to still make him seem creepy.  He is uninterested and uninformed about the world around him, doesn't know the meaning of common idioms and words with more than 2 syllables, and is wholly incompetent to be on the air or host a show.

And for 10 long years, he didn't care.  We all lost 10 years of the special type of entertainment created by Art Bell.  We lost it due to one dumb and lazy person - George Noory.

So now, after 10 years of having lost our show to this buffoon, he wants to 'get better' and have us listen to his show after Art's as some kind of glorious nighttime radio utopia?

No sale.

[zeebo]

But he can suck less. I've heard him suck less. He was here Friday sucking less in real time right in front of us.

Now you're onto something.  I can hear the new promo now: "Coast to Coast with George Noory - Now with 5% less sucking!" 

[SciFiAuthor]

Now you're onto something.  I can hear the new promo now: "Coast to Coast with George Noory - Now with 5% less sucking!" 

LOL, damned right.

[WOTR]

That's nice of Art to say. Sadly, the other captain crashed his ship into an iceberg years ago, and he now wants navigation lessons.

Why does the image of Captain Francesco Schettino come to mind when I think of George as the captain of a ship? 

[SciFiAuthor]

Just to be clear, I would be delighted to see George fired, humiliated, and living under a bridge.  With Tommy.  He took a show that was a lot of people's favorite, and utterly ruined it.  On purpose and without remorse.

He would rather have a lousy show than put in the effort it would take to be better.  He has distain for the guests, callers, and topics.  He spends his on-air time doing any number of things instead of listening to the callers and guests, and having a conversation - no follow ups, no thoughtful questions, just on to the next cue card when they stop to take a breath.  He has shown us in as many different ways as he can think of that he is not a nice guy.  His personal stories don't ring true, yet manage to still make him seem creepy.  He is uninterested and uninformed about the world around him, doesn't know the meaning of common idioms and words with more than 2 syllables, and is wholly incompetent to be on the air or host a show.

And for 10 long years, he didn't care.  We all lost 10 years of the special type of entertainment created by Art Bell.  We lost it due to one dumb and lazy person - George Noory.

So now, after 10 years of having lost our show to this buffoon, he wants to 'get better' and have us listen to his show after Art's as some kind of glorious nighttime radio utopia?

No sale.

Well, you know, if you feel that strongly then listen to Levin or something. Lots of political talk out there. I'm simply hoping that Noory will improve.

[PB the Deplorable]

One of George's worst traits is that instead of prepping for the show or trying to get better, he spends time making excuses:



Same old boring questions no matter how many times a guest has been on - it's for the new listeners

Seeming to agree with all guests all the time, failure to be skeptical no matter how much BS is shoveled - the show isn't about yellin' an' screamin'

Failure to do any show prep at all - George wants to do the interview 'fresh'

The lazy time wasting string of questions to open the show ('how are you', 'how did you get into this', 'how long have you been doing it', etc etc - it's to make the guest feel comfortable

Dumping guest after guest, call after call - 'we must have lost them', 'they must have hung up'

Constant drumbeat of stories and questions involving dead kids and animals - people should know about this



It goes on and on.  Same with his resume - books, TV shows, appearances, Emmy's - it's filled with junk, but it looks good at first blush.
 

[PB the Deplorable]

Well, you know, if you feel that strongly then listen to Levin or something. Lots of political talk out there. I'm simply hoping that Noory will improve.

If I thought George had it in him AND he truly wanted to do a good job, that would be one thing.  I don't believe either is true, or even possible, at this point.

There are plenty of other things to do than sit around listening to the radio.  I don't do that now, and I'm going to have to fit Art Bell into my routine as it is.  I think I'm going to listen to the re-plays - no way do I have the time to listen to a 3 or 4 hour show starting at 7pm local west coast time every night.  The old 10pm slot he used to have sounds much better - 11pm if his show runs long like he says it will sometimes.

[Catsmile]

One of George's worst traits is that instead of prepping for the show or trying to get better, he spends time making excuses:



Same old boring questions no matter how many times a guest has been on - it's for the new listeners

Seeming to agree with all guests all the time, failure to be skeptical no matter how much BS is shoveled - the sow isn't about yellin' an' screamin'

Failure to do any show prep at all - George wants to do the interview 'fresh'

The time wasting string of questions to open the show ('how are you', 'how di you get into this', 'how long have you been doing it', etc etc - it's to make the guest feel comfortable

Dumping guest after guest, call after call - 'we must have lost them', 'we must have hung up'

Constant drumbeat of stories and questions involving dead kids and animals - people should know about this



It goes on and on.  Same with his resume - books, TV shows, appearances, Emmy's - it's filled with junk, but it looks good at first blush.
 

And his biggest excuse "I'm not Art Bell".

Like we really didn't know that, I've read all 1142 pages of this thread and that has never been the issue.
It's just a lot easier to set up straw men than it is to work hard at your craft and make a better product.

PremRat is happy with him and there product, biggest numbers ever I hear from Dave. Why worry so much about the less than 10%, after moaning about them for years on your national radio show?
Things that make you go hummmm? Just one more of Jeorges stories that don't quite ring true.

[Scully]

I was thinking more like "Two Flew Over the Coocoo's Nest"

They certainly have tonight.  Both of them. One coming from each side of it. 

[PB the Deplorable]

Well, you know, if you feel that strongly then listen to Levin or something. Lots of political talk out there. I'm simply hoping that Noory will improve.

I would guess every single poster here gave George years to improve and put out a good show.  Years.  As far as I know the first thread dedicated to documenting and lamenting George's suckage, and making fun of it, was started by a poster at GLP around 2006 - a good 5 years into George's regime.

After George spent months building up a proposed show where he would come on live ad do a session with an Ouija Board, he canceled it at the last minute.  He talked about it all the time, built it up, got listeners invested with anticipation, only to weasel out just before the time came.  A frustrated poster started that classic George Noory Sucks thread, and 7 years and over 7000 pages of posts there and here the idea that George Noory Sucks is still going strong.  Combined, it has to be the longest thread in internet history.  And probably the most humorous.

Regardless, George plowed on heedless and uncaring.  He had 'system'.  He knew radio.  He didn't need or want input.  He ignored it all, and decided everyone else was wrong.  Haters.



Even today we see the echoes from that failed show, all those personal stories that almost have to be false - Casey the Dog, kidnapping in Mexico, healing people of cancer, all the stories from his childhood, all his experiences and people he knows, so many stories that are frankly not believable.  Add to that the story of th Hawaii studio PremRat is building for him and any of a number of things he's said that just don't ever pan out.


No we are being asked to believe he wants our advice on how to get better?  Sheesh.

[Catsmile]

They certainly have tonight.  Both of them. One coming from each side of it. 

It would take one to know one, thanks.

[Nighthawk]

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[Catsmile]

I would guess every single poster here gave George years to improve and put out a good show.  Years.  As far as I know the first thread dedicated to documenting and lamenting George's suckage, and making fun of it, was started by a poster at GLP around 2006 - a good 5 years into George's regime.

After George spent months building up a proposed show where he would come on live ad do a session with an Ouija Board, he canceled it at the last minute.  He talked about it all the time, built it up, got listeners invested with anticipation, only to weasel out just before the time came.  A frustrated poster started that classic George Noory Sucks thread, and 7 years and over 7000 pages of posts there and here the idea that George Noory Sucks is still going strong.  Combined, it has to be the longest thread in internet history.  And probably the most humorous.

Regardless, George plowed on heedless and uncaring.  He had 'system'.  He knew radio.  He didn't need or want input.  He ignored it all, and decided everyone else was wrong.  Haters.



Even today we see the echoes from that failed show, all those personal stories that almost have to be false - Casey the Dog, kidnapping in Mexico, healing people of cancer, all the stories from his childhood, all his experiences and people he knows, so many stories that are frankly not believable.  Add to that the story of th Hawaii studio PremRat is building for him and any of a number of things he's said that just don't ever pan out.


No we are being asked to believe he wants our advice on how to get better?  Sheesh.

The Ouija board show and all the buildup really turned me against Noorie and his suckage, at that point I knew without a doubt that it wasn't just me it was him. At that point I've been mostly Norrie free.

[ItsOver]

Totally possible. Interviewing is a learned art, people go to school for it.......

It's a real shame Dave didn't hone didn't hone his skills in certain areas.  A true tragedy.  He had such potential.  I'm sure there's still hope.  Even more than 40 years later.

George Noory, graduate of The University of Detroit in 1972 , bachelors degree in Communications     

[Catsmile]

It's a real shame Dave didn't hone his skills in certain skills.  A true tragedy.  He had such potential.  I'm sure there's still hope.  Even more than 40 years later.

George Noory, graduate of The University of Detroit in 1972 , bachelors degree in Communications

Well you know 40 years isn't a long time, if you are a tree.

[ItsOver]

Well you know 40 years isn't a long time, if you are a tree.

Quite true.  Maybe Dave is a Sequoia.  He's but a mere sapling.  Maybe in another couple of hundred years, he'll mature into a mighty fine tree.  I'm sure we'll all be there to appreciate the event.  Patience, friends.  Patience.