President Donald J. Trump

[SciFiAuthor]

Did he cry?

I would imagine he is right now.

[MV/Liberace!]

I'd like to point out that you're arguing with three of the people that I left your forum over not being able to ignore any more.

Love the new icon, Sugar. Lots of love (lol)

you never left the forum.  the forum left you.

glad you like the 'con.

[chefist]

Did he cry?

At this point he is a caricature of himself...

[TigerLily]

Did Brussels influence you at all? IMO, every major terrorist attack between now and the election would add to the number of voters willing to take a chance on Trump. It's not that he would do a better job on terrorism than Kasich or Cruz, but people might think so. The more afraid voters are, the more willing they are to vote for a strong man, or a strongman, and make sacrifices in the name of safety.

No. It's more because my guy, Bernie, doesn't look like he is going to make it. I really don't want someone beholden to corporate donors and lobbyists. Going to take a serious look at Trump because of this

[Jackstar]

you never left the forum.

posting history says

Going to take a serious look at Drumpf because of this

I bet your serious look ends in a period.

[Value Of Pi]

No. It's more because my guy, Bernie, doesn't look like he is going to make it. I really don't want someone beholden to corporate donors and lobbyists. Going to take a serious look at Trump because of this

I understand the appeal to voters of a candidate who doesn't owe big money donors any favors. But if you buy the thinking that says this has been a major problem with previous presidents (as opposed to senators and congressmen), than what would in fact be driving and influencing either of these men in place of special interests as POTUS?

With Sanders, you have a guy who honestly believes in his political philosophy and would push to implement it as much as possible, for better or worse depending on how well you think it would work in the world we're living in. But Trump is a whole different animal from Sanders, regardless of their apparent freedom from the influence of special interests.

Here you have to ask yourself what philosophy, set of principles or other lifelong patterns of thinking and behavior would be driving Trump to do whatever he would do. Issues of character and personality come into play here much more than with Sanders.

As I've said before and continue to believe, Trump's values, beliefs and behavior patterns are clear from his decades in business. The problem is not that he is a rich businessman, it's that he is a dishonest, untrustworthy businessman almost guaranteed to abuse the power of the presidency to a degree never before seen in our history.

But that's what you're going to have to judge for yourself. I'm just saying it's a big mistake to think that Trump is in any significant way like Sanders. He is no substitute. And Sanders would be the first one to tell you that.

[VtaGeezer]

I'll be very surprised if Trump withstands the unprecedented onslaught of  establishment GOP SuperPACs relentlessly tag-teaming him with dark money for three more months.  Today Jeb fucking Bush endorsed Cruz; the most extremist ideologue politician since Joe McCarthy; and his crooked banker brother Neil turns up on CNN as Cruz's new money man.  A Cruz SuperPAC ran ads with seminude pics of Trump's wife in ultraconservative Utah, and CNN attacks Trump for responding with an angry message on Twitter.  Not to mention the "Nazi" hysteria from the left. 

I've never seen anything like it in this country.  This is the Republican Party anyone with common sense knew was behind the flag-snapping conservative facade, and now their long knives are out for the guy who knows their game. I'm not a Trump supporter, but if he's still standing in June, after the coming brutal gauntlet of establishment PAC ambushes, it could drive me to vote for the bombastic SOB.

[chefist]

I'll be very surprised if Trump withstands the unprecedented onslaught of  establishment GOP SuperPACs relentlessly tag-teaming him with dark money for three more months.  Today Jeb fucking Bush endorsed Cruz; the most extremist ideologue politician since Joe McCarthy; and his crooked banker brother Neil turns up on CNN as Cruz's new money man.  A Cruz SuperPAC ran ads with seminude pics of Trump's wife in ultraconservative Utah, and CNN attacks Trump for responding with an angry message on Twitter.  Not to mention the Nazi hysteria from the left. 

I've never seen anything like it in this country.  This is the Republican Party anyone with common sense knew was behind the flag-snapping conservative facade, and now their long knives are out for the guy who knows their game. I'm not a Trump supporter, but if he's still standing in June, after the coming brutal gauntlet of establishment PAC ambushes, it could drive me to vote for the bombastic SOB.

I think you are on to something there...he may win quite a few Dems by simply playing the antagonist to the GOP...I think his war with Megyn Kelly at Fox is helping him significantly...

[SciFiAuthor]

I understand the appeal to voters of a candidate who doesn't owe big money donors any favors. But if you buy the thinking that says this has been a major problem with previous presidents (as opposed to senators and congressmen), than what would in fact be driving and influencing either of these men in place of special interests as POTUS?

With Sanders, you have a guy who honestly believes in his political philosophy and would push to implement it as much as possible, for better or worse depending on how well you think it would work in the world we're living in. But Trump is a whole different animal from Sanders, regardless of their apparent freedom from the influence of special interests.

Here you have to ask yourself what philosophy, set of principles or other lifelong patterns of thinking and behavior would be driving Trump to do whatever he would do. Issues of character and personality come into play here much more than with Sanders.

As I've said before and continue to believe, Trump's values, beliefs and behavior patterns are clear from his decades in business. The problem is not that he is a rich businessman, it's that he is a dishonest, untrustworthy businessman almost guaranteed to abuse the power of the presidency to a degree never before seen in our history.

But that's what you're going to have to judge for yourself. I'm just saying it's a big mistake to think that Trump is in any significant way like Sanders. He is no substitute. And Sanders would be the first one to tell you that.

The problem is that we also know Hillary Clinton's history. Trump's got nothing on her. Her history is one scandal after another for two decades. It doesn't help that the Democratic Party is institutionally corrupt with this concept of superdelegates that robbed Bernie of the nomination before the race even started.

[FightTheFuture]

..I think his war with Megyn Kelly at Fox is helping him significantly...

No question it`s helping him lock down a certain voting demographic

[Up All Night]

http://gawker.com/word-trump-written-in-chalk-terrifies-harms-emory-st-1766477207

[SciFiAuthor]

No. It's more because my guy, Bernie, doesn't look like he is going to make it. I really don't want someone beholden to corporate donors and lobbyists. Going to take a serious look at Trump because of this

As I've always said, I respect Bernie because I think he's completely honest about his ideology. He believes in what he's saying and can back that with a solid record. Ideally, he should be the Democratic nominee so we can have a real election where we talk about ideas instead of political memes and slogans. I'm a center-right quasi-libertarian myself, and politely disagree with Bernie's positions, but I think I could easily have a political discussion over a beer with him and walk away respecting the man. Likewise with most of his supporters. I like it when people honestly believe their own politics.

What we needed on both sides was something different. Bernie and Trump both qualify. Cruz and Clinton do not. When you boil Trump's ideas down, they really aren't all that extreme as Piers Morgan pointed out yesterday in the article that was linked in this thread. Trump also shares some common ground with Bernie, such as a lack of fear when saying the word "tariff" -- something I myself agreed with Bernie on. That's something off-limits to free traders like Cruz and Clinton. And best of all, of course, is that Trump and Bernie aren't beholden to anything but their ideas, as opposed to special interests and financial backers. As a result, I think it's sad that Bernie doesn't appear that he can make it. He should have been the Democratic nominee.

[SciFiAuthor]

http://gawker.com/word-trump-written-in-chalk-terrifies-harms-emory-st-1766477207

Posting that link was a microagression. Shocking, just shocking.

[FightTheFuture]

[FightTheFuture]

Posting that link was a microagression. Shocking, just shocking.

After viewing that, I`m going to have to retreat to my safe space

[SciFiAuthor]

After viewing that, I`m going to have to retreat to my safe space

Me too. Had to put on my Rachel Maddow reruns to feel okay again.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Christ on a cracker, those kids have got to be kidding! I'm surprised they're not too afraid to get out of bed every day.  I'd like to give them a few micro-aggressions with a stick.

[pyewacket]

http://gawker.com/word-trump-written-in-chalk-terrifies-harms-emory-st-1766477207

Those poor little snowflakes! How would they respond to a real threat? He's a video describing what Trump and his followers face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuYox35My0

[ItsOver]

http://gawker.com/word-trump-written-in-chalk-terrifies-harms-emory-st-1766477207

Wow.  They think that's scary.

[Value Of Pi]

The problem is that we also know Hillary Clinton's history. Trump's got nothing on her. Her history is one scandal after another for two decades. It doesn't help that the Democratic Party is institutionally corrupt with this concept of superdelegates that robbed Bernie of the nomination before the race even started.

Yes, we have two problems, named Clinton and Trump. For me, it's a "pick your poison" choice.

With Hillary, you get a slow-acting poison that's non-fatal but continues to weaken and harm the system. With Trump, you get a fast-acting poison that might appear to do some good at the outset but quickly causes major insults to the organs of government, friends and allies, plus our adversaries. This leads to chaos, the undermining of institutions and God knows where. Something only an anarchist or a nihilist could love.

Is Trump worse than Hillary? I'd say so, based on the much greater damage he would do. Trump served a purpose in helping to wake up the political establishment to the dissatisfaction of the citizenry with politics as usual. We don't need Trump anymore to make political change happen, certainly not as POTUS.

[SciFiAuthor]

Yes, we have two problems, named Clinton and Trump. For me, it's a "pick your poison" choice.

With Hillary, you get a slow-acting poison that's non-fatal but continues to weaken and harm the system. With Trump, you get a fast-acting poison that might appear to do some good at the outset but quickly causes major insults to the organs of government, friends and allies, plus our adversaries. This leads to chaos, the undermining of institutions and God knows where. Something only an anarchist or a nihilist could love.

Is Trump worse than Hillary? I'd say so, based on the much greater damage he would do. Trump served a purpose in helping to wake up the political establishment to the dissatisfaction of the citizenry with politics as usual. We don't need Trump anymore to make political change happen, certainly not as POTUS.

Yeah, but see you've arrived at that conclusion based on the media's hyperbole surrounding Trump. I can't do that, instead I just listen to the guy and boil his ideas down and what I've found is that they aren't really very extreme at all.

What's extreme to me is the idea of handing the nation's top security clearance to a person that's already known to have compromised secret information. I also find it equally extreme that Benghazi was so ineptly dealt with by Hillary Clinton. You mention friends and allies, yet we've all sat and watched Obama and Hillary do everything they could to poison US-Israel relations. The very stuff you're psychically predicting that Trump would do, Hillary already has a track record of doing.

[Value Of Pi]

Yeah, but see you've arrived at that conclusion based on the media's hyperbole surrounding Trump. I can't do that, instead I just listen to the guy and boil his ideas down and what I've found is that they aren't really very extreme at all.

What's extreme to me is the idea of handing the nation's top security clearance to a person that's already known to have compromised secret information. I also find it equally extreme that Benghazi was so ineptly dealt with by Hillary Clinton. You mention friends and allies, yet we've all sat and watched Obama and Hillary do everything they could to poison US-Israel relations. The very stuff you're psychically predicting that Trump would do, Hillary already has a track record of doing.

I thought what I thought about Trump before all the media coverage of this campaign. I listen to this guy and, apparently, hear something that you don't. Then I draw my own conclusions about what kind of risk he represents.

Nothing that Obama or Hillary have done or would do with foreign policy would come come close to the scale of disaster awaiting us with Trump. Elevating the danger is his lack of knowledge and understanding of international relations and his willingness to surround himself with advisors who are, for the most part, inexperienced half-wits themselves. The perfect yes men.

IOW, don't blame the media for what I think. I got there myself and I'm responsible.

[RealCool Daddio]

Yeah, but see you've arrived at that conclusion based on the media's hyperbole surrounding Trump. I can't do that, instead I just listen to the guy and boil his ideas down and what I've found is that they aren't really very extreme at all.

What's extreme to me is the idea of handing the nation's top security clearance to a person that's already known to have compromised secret information. I also find it equally extreme that Benghazi was so ineptly dealt with by Hillary Clinton. You mention friends and allies, yet we've all sat and watched Obama and Hillary do everything they could to poison US-Israel relations. The very stuff you're psychically predicting that Trump would do, Hillary already has a track record of doing.

There is a difference between media hyperbole, and the media pointing a camera at the man while he is talking.  There is ample evidence, from the things Trump says of his own volition, to suggest he is wholly unsuitable to holding public office.

The transcript from his session with the editors of WaPo is embarrassing.  Sad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/

[Juan]

So (ha) it appears we will have a choice between a career bribe taker and a career bribe payer.

[Value Of Pi]

So (ha) it appears we will have a choice between a career bribe taker and a career bribe payer.

That's one angle on the situation, but there's obviously much more to consider. One thing most people would agree on is that we need better people running for president and better people in politics generally. We shouldn't have to make a choice like this one.

[VtaGeezer]

There is a difference between media hyperbole, and the media pointing a camera at the man while he is talking.  There is ample evidence, from the things Trump says of his own volition, to suggest he is wholly unsuitable to holding public office.

The transcript from his session with the editors of WaPo is embarrassing.  Sad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/

Trump's life is an open book. If 1/10th of the vile behavior heaped on him was true, he'd have spent the last 25 years in a courtroom.  He's a coarse and blunt character.  But where is the racist?  The Nazi?  The mysogenist?  (if he is, so are 90% of all American males).  Where are the big awards from civil suits for discrimination?  The fraud indictments?  (like Neil Bush, Cruz's new money man).  Where all the many people we've been told he's damaged?  His views are rational but not PC.   Anti-Trump hysteria is likely to backfire for the left and their new allies, the conservative/corporate establishment.

[SciFiAuthor]

There is a difference between media hyperbole, and the media pointing a camera at the man while he is talking.  There is ample evidence, from the things Trump says of his own volition, to suggest he is wholly unsuitable to holding public office.

The transcript from his session with the editors of WaPo is embarrassing.  Sad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/

Now, see, I went through that whole thing boiling his arguments down and didn't find anything that disturbed me. There's no question that he's inarticulate, and I disagree with him on a few points, specifically rewriting libel law, but I saw nothing there that freaks me out as badly as Hillary's policy of a path to legalization instituted within 100 days of taking office which I take as an attempt to create 11 million new Democratic voters. That signals to me that they wish to create a one party system.

[Value Of Pi]

Trump's life is an open book. If 1/10th of the vile behavior heaped on him was true, he'd have spent the last 25 years in a courtroom.  He's a coarse and blunt character.  But where is the racist?  The Nazi?  The mysogenist?  (if he is, so are 90% of all American males).  Where are the big awards from civil suits for discrimination?  The fraud indictments?  (like Neil Bush, Cruz's new money man).  Where all the many people we've been told he's damaged?  His views are rational but not PC.   Anti-Trump hysteria is likely to backfire for the left and their new allies, the conservative/corporate establishment.

If you were paying attention. you'd know how much litigation he has been involved in (including the Trump University class action soon to go to court). Rich creeps like Trump have the cash to settle suits and make others go away before they are even filed. White collar crime, if he has committed any, is hardly ever prosecuted. What you call hysteria is often just reasonable people asking reasonable questions.

As POTUS,  Trump would be under constant fire from his opponents without having the skills or the brains to effectively respond. The corporate world is, in Trump's case, poor preparation for dealing effectively with the range of problems and people he'd face as president.

[albrecht]

If you were paying attention. you'd know how much litigation he has been involved in (including the Trump University class action soon to go to court). Rich creeps like Trump have the cash to settle suits and make others go away before they are even filed. White collar crime, if he has committed any, is hardly ever prosecuted. What you call hysteria is often just reasonable people asking reasonable questions.

As POTUS,  Trump would be under constant fire from his opponents without having the skills or the brains to effectively respond. The corporate world is, in Trump's case, poor preparation for dealing effectively with the range of problems and people he'd face as president.

And Billary with all of her and her husband's connections aren't connected with "white collar" crime, insider deals, sweet-heart contracts, etc over the decades? And that was just the small stuff, who know what goes on with their Foundation or the Lolita flights and parties with Epstein. 
I don't know much about Bernie's history but he has been good, in the past, on guns but is awful on immigration and some of his whacked-out economic policies. Unfortunately, the recent 'peaceful' events in Brussels etc will likely cause people to demand more anti-civil rights laws and support for Billary, Trump, or Cruz, but only Trump is talking about the real source of the problem or even finding a temporary solution to the threat from the "JV team" doing their peace.

[Dr. MD MD]

And Billary with all of her and her husband's connections aren't connected with "white collar" crime, insider deals, sweet-heart contracts, etc over the decades? And that was just the small stuff, who know what goes on with their Foundation or the Lolita flights and parties with Epstein. 
I don't know much about Bernie's history but he has been good, in the past, on guns but is awful on immigration and some of his whacked-out economic policies. Unfortunately, the recent 'peaceful' events in Brussels etc will likely cause people to demand more anti-civil rights laws and support for Billary, Trump, or Cruz, but only Trump is talking about the real source of the problem or even finding a temporary solution to the threat from the "JV team" doing their peace.

Preach it, bro! Or how about the fact that all the cocaine that we know was coming into the states with the help of the CIA was coming through Mena, Arkansas, where the Clinton's were situated during his run as governor. Hillary's law firm was used to set up a giant slush fund from this that they used for bribes, pay-offs or just to help themselves to. This is why George and Barbara Bush think of Bill as another son. This is also why he ultimately would follow the same playbook as Bush by the time he left office, repealing the Glass-Stiegel act and setting the stage for the next big money grab in 2008.