Art Bell

[GravitySucks]

I thought it was funny. Now stop flailing around like a retard, or you might be a victim of my your program. I joke. I joke.

Yeah, well I didn't.

I'm done flailing.

[albrecht]

I think it's pretty well established that unprocessed foods are better for you, though it's probably due more to the lack of additives and preservatives put into processed foods than anything else. If you're grinding your own sausage, you'll be fine. But buying sausage with a list of 30 chemical additives from a grocery store is not as healthy as an organically grown salad.

That said I support vaccinations. They provide more value than they cost. One just needs to look at the eradication of smallpox to see that. But they should be formulated in the safest manner possible.

I'm not sure about that, though I'm unclear precisely, what is "processed." I think things like food poisoning, botulism, etc was more common in the past than today, particularly with early 'processed' foods (bad canning, unpasteurized milk (which I know some people still advocate), bad food prep, etc. Even today most of the E Coli etc outbreaks comes from unprocessed vegetables.
If you mean things like McDonald's versus making a home cooked meal or fresh (properly washed) homegrown vegetables versus some commercially canned non-organic stuff, I'm sure your right. And there is a lot of extra sugar, salt, and various chemicals added to many processed foods (even old processed foods like homemaking sauerkraut versus raw cabbage, making pemmican/jerky versus eating the meat now) but processing allows for storage.

[21st Century Man]

I think everyone should get vaccinations for smallpox, measles and other diseases.  The flu shots, not so much. I end up getting sick when I get that shot so I stopped getting them about 10 years ago.

[Richard Groyper]

Yeah, well I didn't.

I'm done flailing.

Okay.

[Jackstar]

Search for Dr Andrew Wakefield.

I did that, and all I found was a huge fascist hatchet job!

Also this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_Hayes

Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_8:_The_Arkansas_Prison_Blood_Scandal

you corporate shills are adorable

[GravitySucks]

Okay.

But we ain't kissing to make up.

And there will be no make up sex.

[MV/Liberace!]

Oh, and PRAISE MV!

an excellent way to start your bellgab career.

post often, buuuddy.

[albrecht]

I think everyone should get vaccinations for smallpox, measles and other diseases.  The flu shots, not so much. I end up getting sick when I get that shot so I stopped getting them about 10 years ago.

The CDC stopped smallpox vaccine in 1972, it is not a part of the regular schedule of vaccines since then. The NHS (UK) around then also. I think currently only certain members of the military receive the smallpox vaccination and there aren't many stockpiles of it anymore (but ramped up after 9/11 apparently.)

[Jackstar]

That was uncalled for. [...] Again, that was rude and uncalled for.

Lighten up, Francis.

[albrecht]

I did that, and all I found was a huge fascist hatchet job!

Also this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_Hayes

Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_8:_The_Arkansas_Prison_Blood_Scandal

you corporate shills are adorable

Yeah, someone made a documentary of the Arkansas prison blood scandal under the Clintons- people as far away as Canada and the UK were infected with Hepatitus and HIV I recall. No opponent and the media hardly ever touch that case or ask them about it.

I've read that NY Times article and if anything should've been made into a movie it is that guy, and not concussions or smoking (pretty obvious that bashing one's head many times or inhaling a burning substance might harm you, especially over time.)

Having said that not ALL corporations are bad, not all chemicals, pesticides, herbicides, etc are bad, like with most things there should be a risk/reward analysis but in order to do so FACTS and studies need to be public and available to government(s,) people, 3rd parties, markets, etc.

[Jackstar]

We are less than a decade away from that question and no one knows to ask it because, as a culture, we don't really know how advanced prosthetic technology is getting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc

I don't think this often... but maybe you read too many books.

[GravitySucks]

The CDC stopped smallpox vaccine in 1972, it is not a part of the regular schedule of vaccines since then. The NHS (UK) around then also. I think currently only certain members of the military receive the smallpox vaccination and there aren't many stockpiles of it anymore (but ramped up after 9/11 apparently.)

I know I had to get one in boot camp in 74 and another booster a few years later. I never had to deploy overseas, but I guess it was just in case.

Smallpox was down the old fashioned way... Pricking the skin and applying the virus. All of the other ones were done with a jet injector as you walked past each station. To this day I have no clue what they shot into my arm.

[Jackstar]

Having said that not ALL corporations are bad,

Well, you know me--I don't judge.

To this day I have no clue what they shot into my arm.

The odds are pretty good it was not charisma.

[SciFiAuthor]

I'm not sure about that, though I'm unclear precisely, what is "processed." I think things like food poisoning, botulism, etc was more common in the past than today, particularly with early 'processed' foods (bad canning, unpasteurized milk (which I know some people still advocate), bad food prep, etc. Even today most of the E Coli etc outbreaks comes from unprocessed vegetables.

Processed basically means additives. If you're eating a sausage with no additives, it really isn't processed. It's just ground up meat. If you're eating a jar of spaghetti sauce with 40 ingredients a quarter of which are artificial, then you're eating something processed. But ultimately it's a trade off really. Yes, food is safer now in terms of bacterial contamination, but at the same time we don't really know that much about the long term consequences of the chemical additives on the human body. Increases in certain types of cancers are almost certainly due to the ingestion of currently FDA approved additives, but as to which ones are responsible there isn't enough known to give an answer.

If you mean things like McDonald's versus making a home cooked meal or fresh (properly washed) homegrown vegetables versus some commercially canned non-organic stuff, I'm sure your right. And there is a lot of extra sugar, salt, and various chemicals added to many processed foods (even old processed foods like homemaking sauerkraut versus raw cabbage, making pemmican/jerky versus eating the meat now) but processing allows for storage.

A lot of times you don't really even need the additives, they just put them in there because the lawyers were worried about some minor chance that they could get sued if someone got sick.

[Richard Groyper]

Truly wasn't trying to be obtuse. As I stated, perhaps I misunderstood.

In actuality:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/01/05/majority-of-autism-increase-due-to-diagnostic-changes-finds-new-study/#9206b3c737c5

So, I guess from your point of view the goal posts have changed. But there isn't an unmentioned goal to increase the number diagnosed. It just is what it is.

I didn't intend to imply the figures were raised intentionally. Some people don't understand that the spectrum has changed. So, some believe there was an explosion of autism and want someone or thing to be responsible.

[Richard Groyper]

But we ain't kissing to make up.

And there will be no make up sex.

Killjoy. 

[albrecht]

Processed basically means additives. If you're eating a sausage with no additives, it really isn't processed. It's just ground up meat. If you're eating a jar of spaghetti sauce with 40 ingredients a quarter of which are artificial, then you're eating something processed. But ultimately it's a trade off really. Yes, food is safer now in terms of bacterial contamination, but at the same time we don't really know that much about the long term consequences of the chemical additives on the human body. Increases in certain types of cancers are almost certainly due to the ingestion of currently FDA approved additives, but as to which ones are responsible there isn't enough known to give an answer.

A lot of times you don't really even need the additives, they just put them in there because the lawyers were worried about some minor chance that they could get sued if someone got sick.

I wonder if there has been any studies or just observations: would a modern human on the more processed food diet decay once dead more slowly than say our ancestors a couple hundred years ago (assume no embalming etc.) Due to so much preservatives, antibiotics, and chemicals in our bodies? (This is a Norry-style pondering, admittedly.)
That is my main point in general. Everything, or most things, are a trade-off and should be judged weighing pro/cons, costs/benefits, risks, etc but one of the problems is without full information this can be hard to do (a new 'drug' or thing, companies hiding studies, ingredients/process 'trade secret', laws and advertising, inability to inspect processing/making/growing facility (foreign countries, etc.)

[Value Of Pi]

I wonder if there has been any studies or just observations: would a modern human on the more processed food diet decay once dead more slowly than say our ancestors a couple hundred years ago (assume no embalming etc.) Due to so much preservatives, antibiotics, and chemicals in our bodies? (This is a Norry-style pondering, admittedly.)
That is my main point in general. Everything, or most things, are a trade-off and should be judged weighing pro/cons, costs/benefits, risks, etc but one of the problems is without full information this can be hard to do (a new 'drug' or thing, companies hiding studies, ingredients/process 'trade secret', laws and advertising, inability to inspect processing/making/growing facility (foreign countries, etc.)

Boy, what a thing to wonder about, of all the things out there to wonder about. This forum is something else. It plugs directly into some people's streams of consciousness and we get to read whatever crosses their mind. It's interesting and not necessarily a bad thing, except in the case of our temporarily resident Nazis and racists.

[PKaiser]

an excellent way to start your bellgab career.

post often, buuuddy.

Thanks MV, I really appreciate it!

(whispers in your ear: YOU should be doing MitD!!!!!)

[starrmtn001]

Thanks MV, I really appreciate it!

(whispers in your ear: YOU should be doing MitD!!!!!)

School is taking the majority of his time right now.  Wait till he graduates, THEN he may listen.

[Value Of Pi]

Thanks MV, I really appreciate it!

(whispers in your ear: YOU should be doing MitD!!!!!)

I haven't been posting here that long myself, but I can tell you (somebody should) that this forum not only "goes to 11" but is permanently set at that volume. As a musician, you'll understand the implications in terms of textual distortion and shattered sensibilities.

[21st Century Man]

The CDC stopped smallpox vaccine in 1972, it is not a part of the regular schedule of vaccines since then. The NHS (UK) around then also. I think currently only certain members of the military receive the smallpox vaccination and there aren't many stockpiles of it anymore (but ramped up after 9/11 apparently.)

I did not know that. I think I got it but not sure.  I had my shots around then or maybe slightly before. 

[ItsOver]

I know I had to get one in boot camp in 74 and another booster a few years later. I never had to deploy overseas, but I guess it was just in case.

Smallpox was down the old fashioned way... Pricking the skin and applying the virus. All of the other ones were done with a jet injector as you walked past each station. To this day I have no clue what they shot into my arm.

Alien DNA.  Congrats and welcome to The Chosen Ones.

[PKaiser]

School is taking the majority of his time right now.  Wait till he graduates, THEN he may listen.

Hi Starr, pleasure finally meeting you!

I'm afraid if he waits too long....

But I certainly understand the school thing.

[PKaiser]

I haven't been posting here that long myself, but I can tell you (somebody should) that this forum not only "goes to 11" but is permanently set at that volume. As a musician, you'll understand the implications in terms of textual distortion and shattered sensibilities.

'Sup Value of Pi?

You forgot sexual distortion, lol!

[Richard Groyper]

'Sup Value of Pi?

You forgot sexual distortion, lol!

Greetings and salutations, PKaiser.

[PKaiser]

Greetings and salutations, PKaiser.

And to you, good sir.

[Richard Groyper]

And to you, good sir.

*tips top hat, rides off in an 8 horse stagecoach*

[Mind Flayer Monk]

I do have a question for all of you though: why is it that nobody has ever mentioned (as far as I can tell) that Art bell is a GEMINI, and that could be the reason he goes off half-cocked and cuts his nose off to spite his face time after time like he does?  CLASSIC Gemini reactions he has, imho.

It's been mentioned a few times on this thread and when Art quit Sirius. Some callers in the Gabcast have mentioned it, too.

[ge30542]

If I had to guess, I'd say that it had a lot to with the criteria that autistic children are judged by. There was probably a much narrower definition at one time, but now they seem to talk much more in terms of an 'autism spectrum' that would include many more children that would not previously have been diagnosed as autistic. I don't see it as any great mystery. There hasn't been a  significant rise, it is the criteria that have changed.

This is the correct answer.