Art Bell

[CornyCrow]

As I understand, being able to grow lung tissue is less than a decade away. I think there are clinical trials with stem cells for many diseases, COPD included. What stage they are in, I have no idea.

He should look into it.  My husband has a knee problem and had got into a clinical trial program.  It's greatly improved.  He's have eventually needed a replacement, otherwise.

A friend has macular degeneration but won't enquire into the clinical trials because they are on the West Coast, which I think is not too bright. 

Stem cells have had successes with all sorts of maladies.  Not so much with cancer, though, because it comes back after the first promising signs.

This has nothing to do with the price of beans, but for some reason the autism 'link' to vaccines comes to mind.  I am wondering, if vaccines are not the culprit in the alarming increase in autism cases, what is - and if there are studies being done, and what is being discovered?   It would seem the 'anti-vaccine' folks would be stopped dead in their tracks once the cause for autism is found. 

[onan]

He should look into it.  My husband has a knee problem and had got into a clinical trial program.  It's greatly improved.  He's have eventually needed a replacement, otherwise.

A friend has macular degeneration but won't enquire into the clinical trials because they are on the West Coast, which I think is not too bright. 

Stem cells have had successes with all sorts of maladies.  Not so much with cancer, though, because it comes back after the first promising signs.

This has nothing to do with the price of beans, but for some reason the autism 'link' to vaccines comes to mind.  I am wondering, if vaccines are not the culprit in the alarming increase in autism cases, what is - and if there are studies being done, and what is being discovered?   It would seem the 'anti-vaccine' folks would be stopped dead in their tracks once the cause for autism is found.

Search for Dr Andrew Wakefield.

[DarKPenguiN]

I believe that the civilized world sees that we DO have some control over the environment and that trying to mend our past mistakes is never a bad thing.  As we make changes there will be more of an incentive for clean energy solutions.  Doing nothing helps no one.  Already the Saudis are investing in alternate fuel sources.  Without these international agreements, what are the chances of such things happening?  None.  The air is cleaner in our cities, breathable.  I know, because I used to work in NYC and had not gone back for at least a decade.  It is MUCH improved.  Things do not just take care of themselves.  We must take action for change. 

I don't want to make money at the expense of my children and grandchildren. 

I do not want large industry to control my government or my environment.

Large industry already controls your Government- In fact, other Governemts control your government because they (in some cases) are behind the 'large Industry' that controls your Government...Its a vicious cycle.

How wonderful of Saudi Arabia ( a theocratic kingdom with insane human rights abuse that we militarily and financially prop up for...reasons) to decide to star worrying a bit about the environment now that we have transferred a kings ransom to their coffers, made  desert nomads into powerful political warlords and allowed them to purchase power, influence  and protection on the world market.

Fuck the Saudis.

Had we really been allowing the expansion into drilling and even alternative methods of fuel production such as Hemp we could have kept all that  money in this nation, not helped to destabilize the already unstable mid east and not allowed evil people to come to positions of high power under our protection- being forced to choose sides when there isnt a good choice.

The worst fuel shortage was in the late 70s and it was to the point of fistfights happening over drips of fuel and hour long car line- We were told we were running out of gas. It was political theatre because here we are in 2015 and i'm hearing crying of 'too much gas' and a saturated market driving down profit (also political btw)

If we begin to run out of fuel allowing our businesses to discover, refine and sell it here (without the added environmental hazards and waste involved with shipping across the ocean) we create jobs and cheap affordable energy and the market will find a way- If not THEN we get into bed with theocratic warlords and make them a world economic power- Not before.

Again, we need regulation (and massive tariffs for those who ship jobs away and good back) but what has our alliance with the saudis done for us? How much in blood and treasure? How many human rights abuses that we support with our dollars? when we have ways and means here of energy production which would be more regulated and we can always make those deals if we have no other choice.

bring it  home.

[CornyCrow]

Search for Dr Andrew Wakefield.

Yep.  I know about him.  I really don't know if there is a link or not.  I tend to think medicine is unbiased, but there is big money in the vaccine industry in the US, so much so that the government will send messages to help sales out if they are slumping. 

Then, a person looks at all these moms who see a cause and effect of when their kids diagnoses were made. 

When I was a kid we were vaccinated for 3 or 4 things.  When we were ordered to get the polio vaccine kids came down with the disease and at first the government discredited those who said they got it from the vaccine.  It was only when, to my memory, the dead vaccine was developed that culpability was admitted.  So the government lies.

The number of vaccines now given is something like 33 and they are given in combination at a very young age. 

I have no dog in this race, but you'd/they'd shut up a lot of the protest if they found what is actually causing all the cases of autism.  Frankly, I see nothing going in that direction, yet it would be the logical step. 

[CornyCrow]

. . .
Again, we need regulation (and massive tariffs for those who ship jobs away and good back) but what has our alliance with the saudis done for us? How much in blood and treasure? How many human rights abuses that we support with our dollars? when we have ways and means here of energy production which would be more regulated and we can always make those deals if we have no other choice.

bring it  home.

I think the Saudis are mostly driven by financial interests and staying in power.  I think they see the tides turning against carbon fuel and want to be sure they are in on the ground floor of any changes.  From what I see, the Saudi citizens are radical Muslims and hate their royal family but for the fact that that family gives them so many goodies from money that flows from the petro industry.  The rulers are inclined to be more cosmopolitan.

[PB the Deplorable]

I have had mild COPD for a couple of Years, Again just for the record, the COPD has come on much more in the last Months, I am not yet on oxygen but I am sure my time is coming. Everything with the Stalker went down exactly as I have told too many times now. I have never lied to you and if there are times I don't tell you everything it is for security.

I have always been a open book with my life and until it's done I will continue to do so. I fully understand people will keep making up stuff which I guess is just part of modern Internet life. My choices have at times sucked but lie I would never do. I will remain a Bell Gabber.


Art

I'm starting to resent having to wonder whether Art is telling the truth any time he posts something.  The stalker story didn't work, and after a 2 month uproar now we hear he's had COPD all along and a few months ago it started getting worse. 

Art, either way I wish you the best.

[PB the Deplorable]

... How wonderful of Saudi Arabia ( a theocratic kingdom with insane human rights abuse that we militarily and financially prop up for...reasons)...

Part of it is about oil for sure, but it's also a strategic area on the map. 

Look what's happened in nearby countries when their kings, shahs, dictators, etc are deposed and replaced - things usually haven't gotten better for their people, neighboring countries, the region, or the world in general.

[DarKPenguiN]

Part of it is about oil for sure, but it's also a strategic area on the map. 

Look what's happened in nearby countries when their kings, shahs, dictators, etc are deposed and replaced - things usually haven't gotten better for their people, neighboring countries, the region, or the world in general.

Totally (Oil is only one facet)- I ony used the example because someone else brought up Saudi Arabia in connection to oil which is part of the 'environmental' issues we were talking about in our off topic discussion. =P

See, this takes us in another  direction. I dont disagree with you- Theres strategic value. But that opens a whole new can of worms and layer of complexity that would take lifetimes to try to figure out.

Look, I'll simply say this- IF we want to act like Imperialists and spend blood and treasure to conquer regions - I'm against it but lets at least be honest and start benefiting. Right now the ones paying (and dying) are the ordinary Yank citizens (and  britts, eurofags and such) and the ones benefiting are corporations with no loyalty to borders and very bad people.

Lets call a spade a spade and take what we conquer if thats what were essentially doing anyhow- But let it benefit US with 23 cent gasoline since we fund, protect and die for it.

Its not popular and couldnt work for a million reasons anyhow (so i'm not saying I think this happen) but the way we are killing ourselves for no gain is illogical and at least theres logic if it has benefit to ourselves in the long run- At least in theory.

Anyhow way too deep a subject to even try to talk about here and theres not really a good answer to any of this anyhow- Especially because we find ourself having already made the deal with the devil and systems are in place now that will forever work against us, wealth has transferred in a way to make things even more corrupt and easier to control.

Its interesting though- No matter what we do isnt going to be a good choice. we need to realize we are playing chess and not checkers so we dont find ourselves continuing to make these mistakes that check mate us in the future.

[ge30542]

I've run into this phenomenon a few times before.

A foreigner marries an American who appears normal to her at first.  He works, has a car, a place to live, maybe a few friends, supports himself, seems pleasant enough.  She's happy just to be here and have someone.  Because English is her second language she doesn't pick up on the little things that tell the rest of us there is something not quite right about the guy. 

As time goes by and her English improves, she starts to realize he's a bit of a nut, since her situation is now stable she eases herself out of the relationship as best she can.

Sound familiar, LJ ?

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.

[ge30542]

I'm starting to resent having to wonder whether Art is telling the truth any time he posts something.  The stalker story didn't work, and after a 2 month uproar now we hear he's had COPD all along and a few months ago it started getting worse. 

Art, either way I wish you the best.

I know, right?
What's next, blindness, tourettes syndrome, sickle-cell anemia?

[Value Of Pi]

The problem is that we have HAD a gradual change, and it has always been to take power away from citizens and to give it to the big monied interests - a death by a thousand cuts.  Only Trump and Bernie are pointing out the villains in this case, because they are not beholding to them.  Other 'normal' candidates  must (almost) take big money from big interests just to assume office and our two party system ensures that they will stay on the straight and narrow.

I hope you have some other suggestions to prevent our country from going down the toilet due to this dilemma, because I see no other way out.  Business as usual will just continue pushing us down the road to oblivion. 

My big problem with Trump is that I think he will support the smaller business interests by disbanding regulations that protect our environment and I think the future of the planet is more important than one country going into the toilet.

I agree mostly, but we didn't need Donald or Bernie to inform us about what's going on. Yes, they are running for POTUS, but Bernie, while sincere, has no chance of winning or changing the status quo. Trump, on the other hand, is only talking the talk to get elected and has no intention of getting big money out of politics, regardless of his self-funding campaign. Neither are viable in terms of reversing the trend.

What's even worse is that Trump as the Republican nominee (and at the top of the ticket for other candidates) may well signal the beginning of the end for the American political system and version of democracy. (I'm sure you think we're already there but we're not. There's still time and space to maneuver.) And if he becomes president and doesn't have a total personality and character change by Inauguration Day, that may turn out to be the least of our problems. Think civil unrest on a large scale at home and chaos on the international scene.

Here's my first answer. Don't let him take power. Don't go from bad to much, much worse because "something needs to be done." Then, the next bit of magic to get things back on course for average Americans will require somebody to step up and make a play (in football terms). Don't ask me who but maybe get a turnover, like reversing the SCOTUS ruling that corporations are people or bringing back Glass-Steagall. Change the course of change and change the momentum. That's as good as I can do on a Wednesday. Ask me again tomorrow or the next day.

[Sean92008]

Ad-Blocked browsing final post?  Possibly, probably.

[Scully]

I agree mostly, but we didn't need Donald or Bernie to inform us about what's going on. Yes, they are running for POTUS, but Bernie, while sincere, has no chance of winning or changing the status quo. Trump, on the other hand, is only talking the talk to get elected and has no intention of getting big money out of politics, regardless of his self-funding campaign. Neither are viable in terms of reversing the trend.

What's even worse is that Trump as the Republican nominee (and at the top of the ticket for other candidates) may well signal the beginning of the end for the American political system and version of democracy. (I'm sure you think we're already there but we're not. There's still time and space to maneuver.) And if he becomes president and doesn't have a total personality and character change by Inauguration Day, that may turn out to be the least of our problems. Think civil unrest on a large scale at home and chaos on the international scene.

Here's my first answer. Don't let him take power. Don't go from bad to much, much worse because "something needs to be done." Then, the next bit of magic to get things back on course for average Americans will require somebody to step up and make a play (in football terms). Don't ask me who but maybe get a turnover, like reversing the SCOTUS ruling that corporations are people or bringing back Glass-Steagall. Change the course of change and change the momentum. That's as good as I can do on a Wednesday. Ask me again tomorrow or the next day.

Well said.  Scary, isn't it? 

[ChrisOC714]

Art, there is a COPD clinical trial in Las Vegas which is investigating a new drug from AstraZenica
https://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-trials/listings/studydetails.aspx?StudyID=210549

The sponsors of the trial are looking for severe cases of COPD to see if a new medication that targets white blood cells will help treat the disease.

Also, there are videos on YouTube demonstrating breathing techniques for COPD, the reviews state that some of the techniques are very effective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VUs-2PgzZY
the pursed lip technique helps me relax

Hang in there Art and keep fighting, there are lots of COPD breathing exercises on YouTube that people claim help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-CAFhJn78&ebc=ANyPxKrwSX4dYKszyRPaG35QoSQ6ikw5SWVJ01aVCg_hHUSdtW5RLCxFPDBre2NMUNbphurl6cIjhW1o06Ye5YQKAdoDeUey2A

[Yorkshire pud]

Art, there is a COPD clinical trial in Las Vegas which is investigating a new drug from AstraZenica
https://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-trials/listings/studydetails.aspx?StudyID=210549

The sponsors of the trial are looking for severe cases of COPD to see if a new medication that targets white blood cells will help treat the disease.

What??? Pharmaceutical companies are evil!!! They should be avoided at all costs and cures in the form of breathing in stardust, drinking zillion times diluted Angora goat's urine and chanting ancient verse explored.

[Yorkshire pud]

but for some reason the autism 'link' to vaccines comes to mind.  I am wondering, if vaccines are not the culprit in the alarming increase in autism cases, what is - and if there are studies being done, and what is being discovered?   It would seem the 'anti-vaccine' folks would be stopped dead in their tracks once the cause for autism is found.

No, there is no link. A charlatan in the UK who was being sponsored by an American separate jab MMR company was the reason take up of the MMR single shot dropped below the 95% efficacy rate to 85% in some places. It was so serious that we had an outbreak of measles in those areas and surgeries ended up opening seven days a week to vaccinate the children of concerned parents who'd previously bought into the autism/MMR bullshit. At the time of the publication by Wakefield, I was married to a GP and she was (rightly as it turned out) worried that because of his catastrophically flawed 'research', parents would be terrified to have their kids vaccinated.

Wakefield was struck off and as far as I know, now peddles his shit in the USA.

[Value Of Pi]

No, there is no link. A charlatan in the UK who was being sponsored by an American separate jab MMR company was the reason take up of the MMR single shot dropped below the 95% efficacy rate to 85% in some places. It was so serious that we had an outbreak of measles in those areas and surgeries ended up opening seven days a week to vaccinate the children of concerned parents who'd previously bought into the autism/MMR bullshit. At the time of the publication by Wakefield, I was married to a GP and she was (rightly as it turned out) worried that because of his catastrophically flawed 'research', parents would be terrified to have their kids vaccinated.

Wakefield was struck off and as far as I know, now peddles his shit in the USA.

Anti-vaxxers. They're like the plague over here, pun intended, intimidating and endangering whole school systems and communities. Gullible, ignorant parents looking to preserve the health of their kids the "natural" way, by sending them to chicken pox parties. Don't get me started. Well, you already did.

[Jackstar]

http://www.sv40foundation.org/Who-we-are.html

[Auslandia]

Did you guys see the latest x-files episode? It revolves around a timed released immunity breakdown delivered via smallpox vaccines.  It's pretty hokey but kind of possible I guess.

[Value Of Pi]

Did you guys see the latest x-files episode? It revolves around a timed released immunity breakdown delivered via smallpox vaccines.  It's pretty hokey but kind of possible I guess.

Yup, saw it. I think it probably appealed to both sides of the debate (if you can call it a debate), the anti-vaxxers and the sane people.

One side gets the evil Consortium conspiring with the aliens to introduce really, really dangerous substances into a common vaccine. The other side gets the warm glow of recalling how much suffering and how many lives were saved by the smallpox vaccine, plus the knowledge that Scully's vaccine -- another vaccine, folks -- is probably going to save the world from the evil alien conspiracy. They also understand that real life isn't the X-Files, though only the Shadow knows for sure.

Chris Carter is no fool. He knows how to maximize the audience.

[Auslandia]

Yup, saw it. I think it probably appealed to both sides of the debate (if you can call it a debate), the anti-vaxxers and the sane people.

One side gets the evil Consortium conspiring with the aliens to introduce really, really dangerous substances into a common vaccine. The other side gets the warm glow of recalling how much suffering and how many lives were saved by the smallpox vaccine, plus the knowledge that Scully's vaccine -- another vaccine, folks -- is probably going to save the world from the evil alien conspiracy. They also understand that real life isn't the X-Files, though only the Shadow knows for sure.

Chris Carter is no fool. He knows how to maximize the audience.

He's packing way too many things into each episode

[PKaiser]

Hello all!  I've been "lurking" here for about four months now after discovering this forum while listening to Art/Heather discuss it on MitD and thought it was about time to create a profile and jump in!  Yes, that is me in my avatar, I've been a professional musician here in Indianapolis for longer than I care to remember, which is how I came to hear Art back in the early '90s while driving from gig to gig in the middle of the night.  I have a BS degree in US History and have a passion for this country and its politics.  I recently married for the first time to the first girl I dated when I was 13 (we re-met online on that Facebook thingy) and I have no children (that I know of, heh, heh).  I think this forum is a riot, although I did cancel my TT subscription just last week (I've done a fair bit of radio in my day, used to work with the Bob & Tom Show, and was a Producer/on-air talent for Maine in the Morning up in Bangor for example) because I cannot deal with amateurs on the radio!  No offense, but she is what she is.  Anyway, I find most of you thoughtful, fairly respectful and open to new ideas.  And of course some of you are funnier than hell and I have a great time reading your back and forths!

So that's enough from me, I'll be around and if you'd like to see if I'm for real or fulla shit just clik here and you can see pictures of all my bands, see videos of me singing with Lou Gramm, Dennis DeYoung and the Bob & Tom crew and you can listen to my original songs where I wrote, played and sang everything on them  Just go to:

www.reverbnation.com/philkaiser

Hope to talk to you all soon!

Oh, and PRAISE MV!

[GravitySucks]

Hello all!  I've been "lurking" here for about four months now after discovering this forum while listening to Art/Heather discuss it on MitD and thought it was about time to create a profile and jump in!  Yes, that is me in my avatar, I've been a professional musician here in Indianapolis for longer than I care to remember, which is how I came to hear Art back in the early '90s while driving from gig to gig in the middle of the night.  I have a BS degree in US History and have a passion for this country and its politics.  I recently married for the first time to the first girl I dated when I was 13 (we re-met online on that Facebook thingy) and I have no children (that I know of, heh, heh).  I think this forum is a riot, although I did cancel my TT subscription just last week (I've done a fair bit of radio in my day, used to work with the Bob & Tom Show, and was a Producer/on-air talent for Maine in the Morning up in Bangor for example) because I cannot deal with amateurs on the radio!  No offense, but she is what she is.  Anyway, I find most of you thoughtful, fairly respectful and open to new ideas.  And of course some of you are funnier than hell and I have a great time reading your back and forths!

So that's enough from me, I'll be around and if you'd like to see if I'm for real or fulla shit just clik here and you can see pictures of all my bands, see videos of me singing with Lou Gramm, Dennis DeYoung and the Bob & Tom crew and you can listen to my original songs where I wrote, played and sang everything on them  Just go to:

www.reverbnation.com/philkaiser

Hope to talk to you all soon!

Oh, and PRAISE MV!

Welcome. Post often.

#DiaperDollars

[michio]

Search for Dr Andrew Wakefield.

I suggest starting with a cursory glance up Bad Mustache's backside. Dr. Wakefield is known to keep a comfy room there from time to time. BM keeps the light on for him.

[CornyCrow]

No, there is no link. A charlatan in the UK who was being sponsored by an American separate jab MMR company was the reason take up of the MMR single shot dropped below the 95% efficacy rate to 85% in some places. It was so serious that we had an outbreak of measles in those areas and surgeries ended up opening seven days a week to vaccinate the children of concerned parents who'd previously bought into the autism/MMR bullshit. At the time of the publication by Wakefield, I was married to a GP and she was (rightly as it turned out) worried that because of his catastrophically flawed 'research', parents would be terrified to have their kids vaccinated.

Wakefield was struck off and as far as I know, now peddles his shit in the USA.

Thanks.  I have heard all that before.  I'm just thinking that I would not blame a mother if she did not allow her kid to take all those shots at once.  Maybe there is not such a great need to require all of them.  How have they changed since I was a kid?  We did not seem to have the autism problem then.

And, most of all, WHAT is causing the horrific rise in autistic children?  Do other countries share our statistics?  What are the stats of autism in countries that do not mandate vaccines such as ours?

It seems to me, if parents are concerned and autism is a huge expense, that there would be money put into investigating it.  Parents are not going to play dice with their kids health and right now a lot of them seem to think vaccines are a huge danger.   

[PKaiser]

Thanks GS!  How cool you were the first to welcome me here!

I do have a question for all of you though: why is it that nobody has ever mentioned (as far as I can tell) that Art bell is a GEMINI, and that could be the reason he goes off half-cocked and cuts his nose off to spite his face time after time like he does?  CLASSIC Gemini reactions he has, imho.

I lived with a Gemini (June 13) for four years when I was 18-22 and swore I would never even date one again and I didn't until I was 47, and I married her!  Lol!  NO OFFENSE GEMINIS! 

Just curious what you all think because I've read all kinds of reasons/excuses for his snap decisions here for the past four months but not the astrological one.

[CornyCrow]

Anti-vaxxers. They're like the plague over here, pun intended, intimidating and endangering whole school systems and communities. Gullible, ignorant parents looking to preserve the health of their kids the "natural" way, by sending them to chicken pox parties. Don't get me started. Well, you already did.

There is another element to this.  VICE had a segment on cancers and how experimentally several hospitals were CURING specific cancers with specific viruses.  One type of cancer patient was given I think measles with actual cures.  Other types of cancer were being cured by introducing other viruses to the patients. 

Doctors and scientists were being interviewed and it was THEY who mentioned the word 'cure'.

Bill Maher, on a show, theorized that perhaps vaccines were interfering with some natural immune mechanism that also protected against certain kinds of cancer. 

This is a more complex issue than 'listen to the nice doctor, who knows best'. 

[SredniVashtar]

And, most of all, WHAT is causing the horrific rise in autistic children? 

If I had to guess, I'd say that it had a lot to with the criteria that autistic children are judged by. There was probably a much narrower definition at one time, but now they seem to talk much more in terms of an 'autism spectrum' that would include many more children that would not previously have been diagnosed as autistic. I don't see it as any great mystery. There hasn't been a  significant rise, it is the criteria that have changed.

[GravitySucks]

Thanks GS!  How cool you were the first to welcome me here!

I do have a question for all of you though: why is it that nobody has ever mentioned (as far as I can tell) that Art bell is a GEMINI, and that could be the reason he goes off half-cocked and cuts his nose off to spite his face time after time like he does?  CLASSIC Gemini reactions he has, imho.

I lived with a Gemini (June 13) for four years when I was 18-22 and swore I would never even date one again and I didn't until I was 47, and I married her!  Lol!  NO OFFENSE GEMINIS! 

Just curious what you all think because I've read all kinds of reasons/excuses for his snap decisions here for the past four months but not the astrological one.

I don't know. Not much into astrology, but since I have a couple of ex's that were Gemini, I can see the correlation.

BTW - I am not sure where he is located, but theMudKing is from Indiana.

[albrecht]

If I had to guess, I'd say that it had a lot to with the criteria that autistic children are judged by. There was probably a much narrower definition at one time, but now they seem to talk much more in terms of an 'autism spectrum' that would include many more children that would not previously have been diagnosed as autistic. I don't see it as any great mystery. There hasn't been a  significant rise, it is the criteria that have changed.

That is my thought also. As with some other mental disorders the "spectrum" is expanding and/or new diseases/disorders are being discovered (take your pick.) I also have a pet theory since there seems to be some genetic link in autism (and other disorders.) Could it be possible with the new economy and high-tech people who, maybe in the past, would be not socially desired, stuck in basements on computers, or playing fantasy games with each other (insert any stereotype here) now are making "big bucks" in the tech world and able to meet women (or vice-versa) easier (and even be sought out by some due to their predominance and wealth?) They have children and so more autistic spectrum children are born? I'm not talking the total, non-functioning autistic but those on the spectrum that can function and now their skills/obsessions are wanted/needed and 'nerds' rule much of the economy? Just a random theory I had.