Art Bell

[onan]

It isn't any of your business.   Are you too stupid to understand that?  Or, to bring it down to your level, are you to fucking stupid to understand that?

How a person, any person, handles the grief and mental anguish that accompanies the death of a loved one is none of your business!

Hence an opinion. and the correct question is: am I TOO stupid to understand? And my opinion is none of your business (I can bold things too). This is a forum. I guess that is above your understanding.


Obviously, this matters to you a great deal. So, we are at loggerheads.

[coaster]

First off, and I know you aren't quoting me, I didn't say anything about Art doing anything heinous. I don't for a second think that. I am suspicious of anyone using the the term soul mate and then moving on in what amounts to a very short amount of time.


Perhaps the term was used without much thought, or perhaps to convince others of some deep abiding love. If I were to make any statement about Art's relationships it would be about his lack to have significantly deep relationships. As evidenced by several marriages, an almost complete disconnect with his children from wife one, or was it wife two.


Back to this soul mate thing, if one considers that a realistic possibility, then our lives have less control because we can only be truly happy by finding that one special person. One that was molded to meet our emotional, intellectual, and spiritual experiences. So he either believes there is only one for him or he doesn't really buy into the soul mate thing. Romantic it is, it is also fantasy.

I don't know what was on Art's mind at the time. I don't know the man personally. It's just every time I've seen a discussion about the subject, people start bringing up theories about criminal activity. When that "Unbelievable" guy  mentioned hearing "crazy shit" earlier in the thread and wanting to discuss it, I dont think he was talking about Art's definition of the word  "soul mate".

[BattyBrooke]

Any celebrity-related death gets microscopic scrutiny from officialdom.  Bell's personal life may be a debris field, but this is just malicious rumor with no traction whatsoever.

Quoting this as I cannot find the post Ace of Clubs just quoted and patted your behind for, but in it you said "what a way to spend yopur life after banking a fortune". Uh, so you know how he's spending his fortune and how he spends his days do you? Maybe you should be a C2C guest what with the invisibility superpower you have there. Art has clearly stated he is enjoying his family (raising his young daughter, spending time with his wife etc..it really can be quite fulfilling when you have a heart AND a fortune) and does the HAM radio thing as a hobby. Yes, a hobby. People don't make a fortune then suddenly leave there lifetime hobby on the curb. All of these rich geezers golfing there golden years away are proof of that. I am happy for Art. I will always selfishly miss his show, and know without an iota of doubt that IF he returned his show would be as magnificent as it was 20 years ago. It's called talent. It's timeless.

[onan]

I don't know what was on Art's mind at the time. I don't know the man personally. It's just every time I've seen a discussion about the subject, people start bringing up theories about criminal activity. When that "Unbelievable" guy  mentioned hearing "crazy shit" earlier in the thread and wanting to discuss it, I dont think he was talking about Art's definition of the word  "soul mate".

Yeah, probably so. to be honest, I didn't read all the posts. If he was saying Art was involved in murder then I am on a different ship.


A piece of me has always thought that Ramona's asthma was chronically severe and maybe she was just tired of going on. I see a lot of that.


I also don't romanticize Art. In mental health circles there are several pieces of his behavior that don't mix well with solid relationships.

[ItsOver]

Gawddam Clear Channel!!!!!!!! *shakes fist at sky* They are the the greediest money grubbing dollar whores in all of the world!!! Well, at least it feels that way as I cry real tears here. Do you know where else I may be able to hear Art? His old shows have been removed from the C2C website, have they not?

There's always Somewhere in Time.  At least for now but only once a week.

[b_dubb]

A piece of me has always thought that Ramona's asthma was chronically severe and maybe she was just tired of going on. I see a lot of that.

she had severe asthma AND she was a smoker. that's just crazy. as someone with asthma how do you  even become a smoker?! it boggles the mind

[MV/Liberace!]

Not sure if this subject is taboo but is there a Ramona death thread?

if by "ramona death thread" you really mean "a thread where art bell is accused of being a murderer," then no, we don't have one of those.

I've read the facts, it's definitely "worthy of consideration"

what "facts" have you read?  please present them here.  should be a hoot.  if there truly are "facts" to prove art bell murdered his wife, then surely those facts have been gleaned from a police report, medical examiner's report, death certificate, attending physician's statement, paramedic's statement, court record, or something else that's official, public, and unambiguous.  a few posts on some website don't meet the standard, so if that's all you've got, i'd move along.  furthermore, you'll also need to establish for us your bona fides as a credentialed professional who is capable of speaking as an authority on these supposed facts.  we can't have some fork truck driver masquerading as a medical or legal professional.

what you need to understand is, your decision to publicly walk this line when a slew of professionals (probably including paramedics, a medical examiner, police, firemen, a prosecuting attorney, et al.) all disagree with you could spell legal trouble.  for you.


oh, let's also not forget the litigious nature of the man you're tacitly accusing.  you've got that working for you, as well.  thumbs up.

read the coastgab terms of service.  this forum is not responsible for the content of your posts.  you are.  if coastgab's management were to receive a subpoena demanding all information pertaining to your account, there would be no choice but to comply.  it would be, after all, a lawful order of the court.  think about that.

[MV/Liberace!]

by the way... here's a fact: ramona bell was a 47 year old smoker with asthma.  how someone does a hopscotch over that and goes straight to murder when evaluating her death is beyond me.  a fucking asthmatic smoker.


nigga please.

[popple]

Listening to those shows when Ramona would come on, or hear her moving around in the background and he'd talk to her, little comments he made here and there... then the shows after she died.... he was clearly in love and loving life with her.  Then devastated.

There is nothing to uncover.

I believe his current wife is aware of how much he loved Ramona and respects the love he still has for her in his heart.


My grandpa had three wives that he out-lived. And he got re-married within a short amount of their passing just like Art. I'm guessing simply because he was elderly and wanted companionship. I know getting married after my grandmothers death does not mean he didn't love her dearly. Honestly I don't think he ever loved another woman as much as her.

[PB the Deplorable]

I believe his current wife is aware of how much he loved Ramona and respects the love he still has for her in his heart.


My grandpa had three wives that he out-lived. And he got re-married within a short amount of their passing just like Art. I'm guessing simply because he was elderly and wanted companionship. I know getting married after my grandmothers death does not mean he didn't love her dearly. Honestly I don't think he ever loved another woman as much as her.

From what I understand, men (especially men) that had very happy marriages tend to get remarried much more quickly after their wife dies. 

[onan]

From what I understand, men (especially men) that had very happy marriages tend to get remarried much more quickly after their wife dies.

There are getting to be too many terms to keep straight. Marriage, especially remarriage does not always connote romantic love. Second serial marriages are increasing. That may be due to new romance, a coping skill to escape grief, new socio-economic stressors, or finding someone to replace some stabilizing aspect missing within one's own talents. It does not necessarily follow that happier marriages are the cause of another marriage close to a loss or not. I can list more than 20 patients I have known that marry because they feel worthless without a partner. Where Art falls on that spectrum... as Abby so eloquently pointed out... I don't know.

[WildCard]

Is there a "Art is a secret Mason" thread?

"My topic tonight," Crowley went on, "is the soldier and the hunchback. Those are poetic terms I regularly employ to designate the two most interesting punctuation marks in general use throughout Europe -- the exclamation point and the question mark. Please do not look for profundities at this point. I call the exclamation point 'the soldier' only out of poetic whimsy, because it stands there, erect, like a soldier on guard duty. The question mark I call the 'hunchback,' similarly, only because of its shape. I repeat again: there is no profundity intended, yet."

Sir John found himself thinking of the first two chapters of The Book of Lies,which said only "?" and "!"

The question mark or hunchback, Crowley went on, appeared in all the basic philosophical problems that haunt mankind: Why are we here? Who or what put us here? What if anything can we do about it? How do we get started? Where shall wisdom be found? Why was I born? Who am I? "Unless you are confronted with immediate survival problems, due to poverty or to the deliberate choice of an adventurous life, these hunchbacks will arise in your mind several times in an ordinary hour," Crowley said. "They are generally pacified or banished by reciting the official answers of the tribe into which you were born, or simply deciding that they are unanswerable." Some however, Crowley went on, cannot rest in either blind tradition or resigned agnosticism, and must seek answers for themselves, based on experience. Ordinary people, he said, are in a sense totally asleep and do not even know it; those who persist in asking the questions can be described as struggling toward wakefulness.

The soldier, or exclamation point, he continued, represents the moment of insight or intuition in which a question is answered, as in the expressions "Aha!" or "Eureka!"

"I now present you, gratis, two of the nastiest hunchbacks I know," Crowley said, smiling wickedly. "These two are presented to every candidate who comes to our Order seeking the Light.

Here they are:

"Number One: Why, of all the mystical and occult teachers in the world, did you come to
me?

"Number Two: Why, of all the days in your life, on this particular day?

"That is all you need to know," Crowley said. "I might as well leave the platform now, since, if you can answer those questions, you are already Illuminated; and if you cannot, you are such dunces that further words are wasted on you. But I will take mercy on you and give you the rest of the lecture, anyway."
-<http://www.rawilson.com/masks.html>

I like to call it the "Wireless Internet".

[Sardondi]

Seriously? I mean you really think this is stickin' it to Da Man, huh? Well, maybe be if it's 1954 and you're Jack Webb: "Well, Captain, those 29 Viagra we found - mislabeled I might add - were almost certainly intended for use in (pardon me here, Miss Stenographer) sex. Maybe even....Da Da DUUUUUUM!!!!...sex tourism. Dum da duuuuum, dum da dum da duuuuuum...."

You guys stay classy. And consistent.

Nice of you to just come out and say you support having sex with underage dominican prostitutes.

Right. Because advocating having sex with underage Domincan prostitutes is precisely what I'm saying, isn't it? Whatever the hell a "Domincan prostitute" is. But thanks for highlighting the necessity of my admonition that...

...You guys stay classy. And consistent.

[onan]

Whatever the hell a "Domincan prostitute" is.

I think that's the one that likes leather and knots.

[Agent : Orange]

Jesus Christ. Let's go back to making the exclamation point change color.

[RealCool Daddio]

Right. Because advocating having sex with underage Domincan prostitutes is precisely what I'm saying, isn't it? Whatever the hell a "Domincan prostitute" is. But thanks for highlighting the necessity of my admonition that...

Great name for a band. Dominican Prostitute, playing their own unique blend of salsa, glam and neo-prog.

[Sardondi]

I think that's the one that likes leather and knots.

Wait a minute! As they told Dorothy at Oz, that's a whore of a different color....

Great name for a band. Dominican Prostitute, playing their own unique blend of salsa, glam and neo-prog.

I hear it. And in three months they'll be on Later...with Jools Holland - "And now! The marvelous, wonderful, fantastic new artists from, well, I forget from where, but they're called 'Dominican Prostitute!' Give a listen!"

[VtaGeezer]

Quoting this as I cannot find the post Ace of Clubs just quoted and patted your behind for, but in it you said "what a way to spend yopur life after banking a fortune". Uh, so you know how he's spending his fortune and how he spends his days do you? Maybe you should be a C2C guest what with the invisibility superpower you have there. Art has clearly stated he is enjoying his family (raising his young daughter, spending time with his wife etc..it really can be quite fulfilling when you have a heart AND a fortune) and does the HAM radio thing as a hobby. Yes, a hobby. People don't make a fortune then suddenly leave there lifetime hobby on the curb. All of these rich geezers golfing there golden years away are proof of that. I am happy for Art. I will always selfishly miss his show, and know without an iota of doubt that IF he returned his show would be as magnificent as it was 20 years ago. It's called talent. It's timeless.

You have officially jumped the Art Bell shark.

[ACE of CLUBS]

What a fucked-up thread .......

[fromwomewhere outthere]

Everyone talking about Ramona and her death. No wonder Art doesn't want to come back. He doesn't have to deal with all the assholes.

[coaster]

Everyone talking about Ramona and her death. No wonder Art doesn't want to come back. He doesn't have to deal with all the assholes.

To be fair, there was only one asshole, and he/she was the one that originally brought up the whole thing. The rest of us were the ones saying how fucked up it was to even bring Ramona up.
And yes, the last two pages have really fucked this thread up.

[jazmunda]

Whoah. What the fuck happened to this thread. From punctuation speculation to murder accusations. What's next? Is someone going to write a filipino hate letter?

I find the notion that someone could make an accusation like that without any proof whatsoever so distasteful.

In addition whilst I cannot fathom moving on from my soul mate so quickly no one can say what Art's headspace was like at the time and to jump from that to murder is just wrong.

I am embarrassed to be apart of this discussion knowing that Art may see it. Sorry.

[Scully]

Everyone deals with grief differently.   Losing a loved one causes unimaginable grief and mental anguish. You have no idea what the man went through when he lost his soul-mate.  Absolutely none.  None of us do. 

This discussion is inappropriate and shameful.

Excuse me, but maybe some of us do know what it's like to lose a "soul-mate" or a child or both. 


You may want to talk this over with a professional who can help you deal with whatever issues you may have about such a discussion.

[onan]

Everyone talking about Ramona and her death. No wonder Art doesn't want to come back. He doesn't have to deal with all the assholes.

Yeah because Art makes all his decisions based on the conversations here.

[Abby Normal]

Excuse me, but maybe some of us do know what it's like to lose a "soul-mate" or a child or both. 


You may want to talk this over with a professional who can help you deal with whatever issues you may have about such a discussion.

I do know what it's like. I have experienced it.  Let that sink in a moment and then move on to the next part.

Here are the "issues" I have about such a discussion. This discussion is about the death of a specific person's spouse and how he reacted to that death.  Do you understand that, Scully?  A real person.  People are speculating about that very real person's loss and how he handled it.  And that, Scully, is inappropriate.

I do not know your real name, Scully. For the purposes of our discussion, let's say your real name is "Sally Smith."  And let's say, for the purposes of our discussion, that you lost your husband of 25 years, "Bob Smith."

Do you think it would be appropriate for people to discuss, in a public forum, the death of Bob Smith?  To speculate about the circumstances and possible causes of Bob's death?  Do you think it would be appropriate for people to discuss your reaction to Bob's death?  Did Sally Smith remarry too soon after Bob's death?  Was Bob really Sally's soul-mate?

I think most people would answer with a resounding no.  The loss of a loved one is one of the most painful episodes a person will ever experience in their lifetime.  Everyone reacts differently. 

How a person, any person, reacts to the death of a loved one is not for us to judge.  And it is certainly not for total strangers, or anyone else,  to discuss in a public forum.

Now if you think I need "professional" help because I hold this opinion, then it is obvious that you and I inhabit two very different realities.

[onan]

I do know what it's like. I have experienced it.  Let that sink in a moment and then move on to the next part.

Here are the "issues" I have about such a discussion. This discussion is about the death of a specific person's spouse and how he reacted to that death.  Do you understand that, Scully?  A real person.  People are speculating about that very real person's loss and how he handled it.

I do not know your real name, Scully. For the purposes of our discussion, let's say your real name is "Sally Smith."  And let's say, for the purposes of our discussion, that you lost your husband of 25 years, "Bob Smith."

Do you think it would be appropriate for people to discuss, in a public forum, the death of Bob Smith?  To speculate about the circumstances and possible causes of Bob's death?  Do you think it would be appropriate for people to discuss your reaction to Bob's death?  Did Sally Smith remarry too soon after Bob's death?  Was Bob really Sally's soul-mate?

I think most people would answer with a resounding no.  The loss of a loved one is one of the most painful episodes a person will ever experience in their lifetime.  Everyone reacts differently. 

How a person, any person, reacts to the death of a loved one is not for us to judge.  And it is certainly not for total strangers to discuss in a public forum.

Now if you think I need "professional" help because I hold this opinion, then it is obvious that you and I inhabit two very different realities.

What you seem to miss about this is Art made it public. And continues in some fashion to do so.


I am sorry for your loss. Truly I am.

[Keep Rock Evil]

OK so Prem Rad shuts down Fine Art Stream, and there is construction on artbell.com.....


Could there be a tie in? Maybe Art is in real talks after all about coming back and they are preparing for competition?

[Abby Normal]

OK so Prem Rad shuts down Fine Art Stream, and there is construction on artbell.com.....


Could there be a tie in? Maybe Art is in real talks after all about coming back and they are preparing for competition?

It was only a matter of time until Fine Art Stream was taken down - it was a clear case of copyright infringement.

I do find the activity at ArtBell.com, slight as it is, to be intriguing.  For years the domain was just parked.  It's now on an active server.  That suggests to me that something is up.  The only thing stopping Art Bell from returning to radio is his desire to do so.  It's no secret he doesn't approve of what C2C has become.   I can see how it could be very satisfying for him to come back long enough to put C2C out of its misery.

Or maybe he's just toying with us.  The color-changing exclamation mark on his webpage reminds me of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Wouldn't it be fun to see the look on George Noory's face if Art started a competing show and C2C's ratings crashed and burned?

[ACE of CLUBS]

Some of you just can't see how repugnant your speculation is concerning Art Bell's personal life.  It's none of your fucking business!


Onan and a few others ...... try to move on.
Show a little grace, compassion, and understanding. 


Grow up!

[FightTheFuture]

It`s pretty sad that so many around here have unsheathed their long knives. Art provided us all with many hours of unparalleled entertainment. And now we turn on him? Sorry, but that`s just...disgusting.


Long live Art Bell and his beautiful family.