Art Bell

[11angeleyes11]

Lest we omit this important jounalistic angle, imput from T-Bird on the Dreamland site is valued.

It is probably really a buzz with self-induced conversations and remarks.  Ah, loser, Ah, loser. . .

The Ah is for the information about Art Bell, loser is for his tourequettes obsessive compulisive disorder, loser, loser, loser. .. 

[kingotnw]

We know two things for certain...

1) Art said you have to devote your life to a show.

2) Art is currently far enough along in contract negotiations for said show that he felt comfortable announcing it.

I think from just these two bits of information its easy to get a couple of things out of it. Firstly, its not going to be a 1, 2, or 3 night a week show. If he is talking about devoting his life to it, then you can expect at least 5 nights a week. Not only that, but to successfully complete a return like this, investors and whatever large network he is speaking to is going to want him on the air at least 5 nights. Just being on the air a couple of times a week isn't going to drive anyone away from C2C in the long run, and that is going to be their target audience. Maybe after a year or so when the audience is built back up he does a more part time type of thing, but for at least that amount of time Art is going to need to be on the air constantly.

Secondly, this is probably almost a done deal, and it's probably fair to assume that both parties are expecting this to go through and there will be a formal announcement sometime soon. Art has been silent for years about coming back on the air, until the day his NC clause was up in fact. If he is saying all this, logic dictates they are in the final stages of negotiation.

Saying a little more about the above... I would bet Art's deal that he wants has more to do with lower commercial time and control over content than anything else. I'm sure money is a thing as well, but he is Art Bell, and he is going to be paid well no matter what at this stage. I really can't imagine either the affiliate, or Art himself, attacking this thing on a part time basis. Part time is half-assed when it comes to doing a radio show, and Art himself stated he won't do something in that manner. They are going to want existing and past C2C listeners, as well as new comers, which there should be a large amount there for the taking since a generation has come of age since Art was last on the air full time. When he comes back, he is going to be on the air most of the week.

[kingotnw]

Posted this in the main thread, but I'll repost it here since this one is moving along now.

We know two things for certain...

1) Art said you have to devote your life to a show.

2) Art is currently far enough along in contract negotiations for said show that he felt comfortable announcing it.

I think from just these two bits of information its easy to get a couple of things out of it. Firstly, its not going to be a 1, 2, or 3 night a week show. If he is talking about devoting his life to it, then you can expect at least 5 nights a week. Not only that, but to successfully complete a return like this, investors and whatever large network he is speaking to is going to want him on the air at least 5 nights. Just being on the air a couple of times a week isn't going to drive anyone away from C2C in the long run, and that is going to be their target audience. Maybe after a year or so when the audience is built back up he does a more part time type of thing, but for at least that amount of time Art is going to need to be on the air constantly.

Secondly, this is probably almost a done deal, and it's probably fair to assume that both parties are expecting this to go through and there will be a formal announcement sometime soon. Art has been silent for years about coming back on the air, until the day his NC clause was up in fact. If he is saying all this, logic dictates they are in the final stages of negotiation.

Saying a little more about the above... I would bet Art's deal that he wants has more to do with lower commercial time and control over content than anything else. I'm sure money is a thing as well, but he is Art Bell, and he is going to be paid well no matter what at this stage. I really can't imagine either the affiliate, or Art himself, attacking this thing on a part time basis. Part time is half-assed when it comes to doing a radio show, and Art himself stated he won't do something in that manner. They are going to want existing and past C2C listeners, as well as new comers, which there should be a large amount there for the taking since a generation has come of age since Art was last on the air full time. When he comes back, he is going to be on the air most of the week.

[YNOT]

Hey, did I miss something?

Did someone say that Art Bell quit Coast? lol


I like someone above's idea that it could simply be  The Art Bell Show.

He does still own ArtBell.com  it's about time he uses it.

Another possibility might be to resurrect Dreamland...If Whitely would allow it...

Well hopefully soon we can put the "Art Quits Coast" thread to bed and start a new one.
Maybe "Arts Scorpion Army Units".  (Not seriously Fort Rock)

[McPhallus]

My source in Las Vegas says.......

You expect us to believe you have a "source" in Las Vegas after you were caught in an obvious lie about having a "source" in Portland?

Are
You
Fucking
Kidding
Me?

[Usagi]

I noticed something.. the winds of change indeed are blowing. So much so that, in a New York minute, people seem to have abandoned Noory. Last night's Coast to Coast AM thread on Facebook, which normally garners about a thousand (mostly insane people) comments a night, had a little less than 50 when I checked and a little less than 100 this morning. A few comments say "can't wait until Art comes back" and "this show is boring"..

I've had anti-Snoory comments deleted from their threads before - ones that weren't even particularly harsh.  So, it wouldn't surprise me that they may have deleted a healthy amount of pro-Art comments left in the wake of this.  They may have even left the few that are on there so as to not appear to have white-washed the thread.


And, speaking of Facebook, if Art is going to be tentatively stepping back into the public light or making professional comments to fans, he really ought to consider getting a Public Profile that people can follow or else make some change to his current one so that people could follow without "friending" it (I think this is possible?).  I, like a few other people, had the opportunity to "friend" the known profile before it maxed out, but balked at the possible risk of some Portland-based AB doppelganger creepin' peeks at my dinner and cat photos.

[kingotnw]

Just got off the phone with the program director of KTCN, the Minneapolis C2C affiliate. I Asked if they were going to switch to Art's show, or continue with C2C. He said...

"We're waiting on all the details of Art's new show, but it's something we are looking at right now. C2C is vvveeerryyy popular, so it would be hard to make a change right at first, but its something we are considering, but we want to see how Art's new show does first, before we make a change."

That is a verbatim quote. For reference. Phone: 952-417-3000. KTCN - Minneapolis. Ask for the program director.  I got off the phone less than 2 minutes ago.


What I take from this... Affiliates are aware of this, and they didn't just get the news last night like us. This guy was supremely confident in what he was saying. I would go so far as to say that this has been in the works since the minute his NC clause was up. The program director knew all about it. No way he was so aware of what was going on unless this was well on its way to being completed.

[Treading Water]

"Never say Never".

^^^^^this^^^^^

[kingotnw]

Again... Posted in main thread, but it is relevant here too so....



Just got off the phone with the program director of KTCN, the Minneapolis C2C affiliate. I Asked if they were going to switch to Art's show, or continue with C2C. He said...

"We're waiting on all the details of Art's new show, but it's something we are looking at right now. C2C is vvveeerryyy popular, so it would be hard to make a change right at first, but its something we are considering, but we want to see how Art's new show does first, before we make a change."

That is a verbatim quote. For reference. Phone: 952-417-3000. KTCN - Minneapolis. Ask for the program director.  I got off the phone less than 2 minutes ago.


What I take from this... Affiliates are aware of this, and they didn't just get the news last night like us. This guy was supremely confident in what he was saying. I would go so far as to say that this has been in the works since the minute his NC clause was up. The program director knew all about it. No way he was so aware of what was going on unless this was well on its way to being completed.

[MV/Liberace!]

And, speaking of Facebook, if Art is going to be tentatively stepping back into the public light or making professional comments to fans, he really ought to consider getting a Public Profile that people can follow or else make some change to his current one so that people could follow without "friending" it (I think this is possible?).

he should just use coastgab and direct all of his facebook friends to come with. 

[Test4echo]

Its pretty obvious from my perspective that Art Bell has been chomping at the bit FOR YEARS to be able to come back to radio.
Forget all the "I love retirement" comments.  He may have liked the time off, but I don't believe for a single solitary second that he wanted "Retirement"
The fact that the Day his Non-comp agreement expired,  he let his intentions be known publically, means that he's probably been in talks for a year or more leading up to this date.
You don't scramble at the last moment or "throw together" a potentially HUGE program so quickly.
What we are seeing and hearing I believe, are the finishing touches on something a long time in the making.

If Art hadn't had that clause of No-competition, he would have been back on radio in some capacity long ago.

I have a feeling that Art is going to clear a lot of "air" when he gets back on the "air".

LLAB!

[HorrorReporter]

Just got off the phone with the program director of KTCN, the Minneapolis C2C affiliate. I Asked if they were going to switch to Art's show, or continue with C2C. He said...

"We're waiting on all the details of Art's new show, but it's something we are looking at right now. C2C is vvveeerryyy popular, so it would be hard to make a change right at first, but its something we are considering, but we want to see how Art's new show does first, before we make a change."

That is a verbatim quote. For reference. Phone: 952-417-3000. KTCN - Minneapolis. Ask for the program director.  I got off the phone less than 2 minutes ago.



What I take from this... Affiliates are aware of this, and they didn't just get the news last night like us. This guy was supremely confident in what he was saying. I would go so far as to say that this has been in the works since the minute his NC clause was up. The program director knew all about it. No way he was so aware of what was going on unless this was well on its way to being completed.

I took your lead and called two of my local radio affiliates are in Pennsylvania and both seem to have knowledge that this was happening, but they were not at liberty to say if a switch would be made instead they put me in connection with program managers and I'm waiting for calls back..

[kingotnw]

I took your lead and called two of my local radio affiliates are in Pennsylvania and both seem to have knowledge that this was happening, but they were not at liberty to say if a switch would be made instead they put me in connection with program managers and I'm waiting for calls back..

I think I got lucky getting the program director of a large affiliate to answer.. lol

I have been thinking about this... The more I think, the more I feel that this is quite possibly already a done deal and just hasn't been announced yet. With both of your local affiliates aware of it, that really further adds fuel to that belief.

[Test4echo]

I took your lead and called two of my local radio affiliates are in Pennsylvania and both seem to have knowledge that this was happening, but they were not at liberty to say if a switch would be made instead they put me in connection with program managers and I'm waiting for calls back..

I guess I'll call AM 800 in Windsor, see what they say.
*EDIT*

AM 800, no info available yet.

To be fair, as horrible as C2C is right now, your not gonna see stations jumping ship for quite sometime.
Art has to prove he has a show. More importantly, how many nights, and his dedication to it.

LLAB!

[kingotnw]

KDAL, KROC also looking at it right now, whether they should switch to Art's show or not.




Just talked to the market manager of all MN affiliates, KDAL connected me to him. He said they are right now midway through the decision phase. He seemed really caught off guard by my inquires and a little uncomfortable. So not only are they considering switching one or two of the affiliates in the Minneapolis/MN area, but ALL of the affiliates.

Its very clear to me that this is a done deal, and has been done for a little while now.

[ufogadfly]

So will Noory and Coast take the high road, the low road or the no road?

High Road: "As you know this program was created by Art Bell, who retired from it a couple years back to spend time with his family. Now Art is starting up his own show, and while he won't be involved in Coast, we all wish him the very best, and I will continue to sign off with his name every night, as a sign of respect."

Low Road: "I feel betrayed and stung by Art, who assured me his retirement was to spend time with his family, not set up a competing radio show. But that's what he's doing. But Coast isn't going anywhere, folks, we've grown the show so much in the last ten years, so don't worry. Art's show will be what it will be, but we'll be right here every night doing the show you love...and this is the last time I'll be mentioning his name."

(I'm sure others could think of worse "low roads"...)

No Road: Don't acknowledge it at all....

What do you all think?

No(ory) road.

[McPhallus]

No problem!

Unfortunately, Facebook is the way of the future. Many employers are not only asking for new employees pages, but it is off the books required at a lot of places.

Personal note here... I don't think he would have said anything unless it was close to a done deal. I think it's safe to say at this point that he is coming back fairly soon.

I'm in the job market right now, and I've never had a (potential) employer ask to see my FB page.  If anyone did for some procedural or other reason outside of personal interest, I'd tell them to fuck off.  If they need more information, that's what LinkedIn is for.

[MV/Liberace!]

If they need more information, that's what LinkedIn is for.

or interviews or references.

[PB the Deplorable]

I'm in the job market right now, and I've never had a (potential) employer ask to see my FB page.  If anyone did for some procedural or other reason outside of personal interest, I'd tell them to fuck off.  If they need more information, that's what LinkedIn is for.

In Calif they've made it illegal for employers and potential employers to ask for access to employees and job seekers social media - there were places that insisted on having people's passwords

[Test4echo]

KDAL, KROC also looking at it right now, whether they should switch to Art's show or not.




Just talked to the market manager of all MN affiliates, KDAL connected me to him. He said they are right now midway through the decision phase. He seemed really caught off guard by my inquires and a little uncomfortable. So not only are they considering switching one or two of the affiliates in the Minneapolis/MN area, but ALL of the affiliates.

Its very clear to me that this is a done deal, and has been done for a little while now.

I gotta call BS on this.
There is NO WAY in hell that ANY affiliates PD would consider removing C2C in favor of Art so quickly.
Even though C2C isn't viewed very highly here, it is still a HUGE night time slot for all those affiliates. They will not pull it until it becomes clear Arts new show has an audience. It just won't happen  for a while in my opinion.
It just makes no business sense to do that.
Thats like asking a restaurant to pull its most profitable night time dish in favor of a new dish no one has tasted yet.
Gonna take time.

[FortRock]

YOUR RIGHT, MY SCORPION ARMY COMMISSIONED OFFICERS:
The deal HAS been cooked for some time now, remember when I came back? That's just after the Cardinal City Klutz's goose was cooked! Confession to Art if your monitoring, "I prefer Baseball over Football", hope I still have my job as Propaganda Minister for the Scorpion Army after saying that! Sorry George, nothing personal, but what's Mike Siegal doing right now career-wise?

[kingotnw]

I gotta call BS on this.
There is NO WAY in hell that ANY affiliates PD would consider removing C2C in favor of Art so quickly.
Even though C2C isn't viewed very highly here, it is still a HUGE night time slot for all those affiliates. They will not pull it until it becomes clear Arts new show has an audience. It just won't happen  for a while in my opinion.
It just makes no business sense to do that.
Thats like asking a restaurant to pull its most profitable night time dish in favor of a new dish no one has tasted yet.
Gonna take time.

That's what he said.

I sent this as a private message to someone and added some on that I didn't put on this one. He (the market manager) was very careful to only answer my questions. The program directors have been free flowing with information, but this guy was way more tight lipped. Had the girl before him not given me information, I don't know if I would have gotten anything out of him. He didn't say they were going to switch, he said they were midway through the decision process. That could be to look at Art's numbers and go from there, or whatever. Also, notice in my first post where the PD stated how popular C2C is.

The Market Manager could just be deciding where to test it out in the market. Meaning putting the show on X amount of stations to see how it does. As I said, he wasn't all happy to be giving me information, and he offered no information I didn't directly ask for.

Feel free to disagree with any of my opinions or whatever, but know this. I wouldn't misquote anyone I spoke with on the phone when anyone else could just as easily make the same call. No BS in my posts, sir.

[miamiron]

In related news George Noory has purchased every box of Imodium A-D WITHIN A 10 STATE RADIUS!!

[mrsthursday]

I know it's too good to be true after years of snoory I just can't believe that Art will make a comeback. I almost wish he'd just show er on the show, but then again I wouldn't know he's on b/c I HAVEN'T LISTENED to Noory's hash job of c2c in years. Is John B. Wells still lulling the audience into a coma & is the other George boring u to death see I just don't know what's up anymore.

[Test4echo]

That's what he said.

I sent this as a private message to someone and added some on that I didn't put on this one. He (the market manager) was very careful to only answer my questions. The program directors have been free flowing with information, but this guy was way more tight lipped. Had the girl before him not given me information, I don't know if I would have gotten anything out of him. He didn't say they were going to switch, he said they were midway through the decision process. That could be to look at Art's numbers and go from there, or whatever.

Feel free to disagree with any of my opinions or whatever, but know this. I wouldn't misquote anyone I spoke with on the phone when anyone else could just as easily make the same call. No BS in my posts, sir.

Sorry, the BS really wasn't directed at you although it came across that way.
Its directed at the idea that a PD would swap a VITAL time slot that already has a popular program for an unproven one.
Yes, we agree that ART could potentially compete with c2c. Thats not proven yet.
One thing thats certain is that nothing happens unless someone makes money.
Arts return, could be a bust or it could panecea.
With not even ONE (new/format) show under his belt how could ANY PD possibly consider seriously changing that time slot?

On another note, what is the actual Hierarchy when it comes to programing? Is it entirely local?

[kingotnw]

Sorry, the BS really wasn't directed at you although it came across that way.
Its directed at the idea that a PD would swap a VITAL time slot that already has a popular program for an unproven one.
Yes, we agree that ART could potentially compete with c2c. Thats not proven yet.
One thing thats certain is that nothing happens unless someone makes money.
Arts return, could be a bust or it could panecea.
With not even ONE (new/format) show under his belt how could ANY PD possibly consider seriously changing that time slot?

On another note, what is the actual Hierarchy when it comes to programing? Is it entirely local?

These days the PD has a good amount of control, but with the larger corporations now, they all take their orders from out of town people. Meaning when it's a big decision, like this would be I'm sure, it's going to come from on high. Also... I wouldn't overlook the pull Art himself is going to have. He's been in the business a long time, and I am sure he is owed a lot of favors. He'll get his chance to prove he can make a come back.

[waves]

Another lurker summoned by MVs email. It was only a matter of time. There's big money to be made here. I count 6 or 7 feeds most nights playing Art Bell re-runs. He's still very popular. The investors smell profit. He's coming back. 


Thanks for the update Michael.

Me too.  I wasn't even lurking.  There's only so many times you can complain about a talk show host whose only question to guests is asking what they think of angels. 

I will be eternally curious though if snoory is really as bland and empty headed as he comes off or was hired to play stupid to dumb down C2C.  Every once in a while something very uncharacteristically knowledgeable slips out he never expounds on that seems to indicate he's holding back bigtime... as well as being a total airhead.

Thanks for the notice.  GREAT NEWS.... but I hope formerly much too frequent guest and super-disinfo player Sean David Morton isn't going to be a repeat part of the package again. 

Let's also keep in mind that Art would NOT discuss 911, and any side comments were "...and when Bin Laden blah blah..." totally refusing to challenge the official story or have any guests who did.  The BIG question is WHY?  I don't think it was just advertiser alienation.

[ClarkIt]

Art's return would be of interest but if it's on satellite radio I'll have to read the transcripts instead, $$

[morphiaflow]

I'd imagine in professional radio circles this isn't news at all, as the above comment points out...

[Morgus]

it would be hilarious if art released a statement in which he said, "i saw the thread on coastgab about my new show.  i'm very displeased, and it's for this reason i've decided not to do a new show. g'day."

or more likely Art's statement might read:
"If I read another post by that stalker calling himself Fort Rock one more time, I'm going to go back to full retirement for good..."