Random Political Thoughts

[Eddie Coyle]

I'm game: who supports (I'm guessing that's what you meant)  the Taliban? Bear in mind they're the evolution of the Mujahideen; an anti Soviet, CIA backed and trained guerrilla unit. In the Reagan years.

    An idea hatched from the Carter White House under the aegis of Zbigniew Brzezinski in July, 1979. Five months prior to the Soviet Invasion.

   Anti-Communist fervor, bordering on insane short-sightedness, as in Zbiggy's still defending his support of what would become Al Qaeda within a decade, because it "defeated" Communism was often infecting both parties in the US.

[Quick Karl]

Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition.

[Richard Groyper]

Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition.

So what you're saying is... liberal's railing against intolerance, by acting and speaking with intolerance, to those they deem intolerant. Sounds like today's "progressive" liberal.

[Quick Karl]

So what you're saying is... liberal's railing against intolerance, by acting and speaking with intolerance, to those they deem intolerant. Sounds like today's "progressive" liberal.

Zactly - only they're lying, and they know it.

[Richard Groyper]

Zactly - only they're lying, and they know it.

They do. Unfortunately they make themselves believe the lie.

[Yorkshire pud]

Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition.

Ahh what you mean is anyone who disagrees with YOUR version of what the world should be like eh? No women would be even better for you. Something you share with Muslim religious primitives; you're both misogynists. You're both anti gay. You both have no time for anyone who you consider liberal thinking.

[SciFiAuthor]

I'm game: who supports (I'm guessing that's what you meant)  the Taliban? Bear in mind they're the evolution of the Mujahideen; an anti Soviet, CIA backed and trained guerrilla unit. In the Reagan years.

*Sigh* typical left-wing European blame America and not the Soviets over-simplification. The Taliban's arch enemy and al-Qaeda hit target Ahmad Shah Massoud was equally spawned from the anti-Soviet, CIA-backed and trained guerrilla units during the Reagan years, which was really Carter/Brezezinski but not really because it was actually the fucking Russians that destabilized the place because they were closet expansionist jackasses. And they still are.

[chefist]

*Sigh* typical left-wing European blame America and not the Soviets over-simplification. The Taliban's arch enemy and al-Qaeda hit target Ahmad Shah Massoud was equally spawned from the anti-Soviet, CIA-backed and trained guerrilla units during the Reagan years, which was really Carter/Brezezinski but not really because it was actually the fucking Russians that destabilized the place because they were closet expansionist jackasses. And they still are.

Agreed...you often ally with those who are the lesser of two evils...knowing the future could have blow back...happened in WWII...had to ally wtih the Soviets...we did not see them as the threat we should have, and they were able to infiltrate the Manhattan Project and get a 5 year free head start on their nuke program...

Or you can have zero foreign policy and get trampled like Norway did by Nazi Germany...

[Yorkshire pud]

*Sigh* typical left-wing European blame America and not the Soviets over-simplification. The Taliban's arch enemy and al-Qaeda hit target Ahmad Shah Massoud was equally spawned from the anti-Soviet, CIA-backed and trained guerrilla units during the Reagan years, which was really Carter/Brezezinski but not really because it was actually the fucking Russians that destabilized the place because they were closet expansionist jackasses. And they still are.

Oh I'm not defending what the Soviet Union did, but it's errornous to equate the Taliban or ANY Middle Eastern government/ bandits/ terrorist with liberal thinking or philosophy. Tell your average Taliban bandit ( or IS or Al Quada member- a man, naturally) how you'd like men and women to be equal and women be in strong political or societal positions over them and see how it goes! Make sure you also don't bring up gay rights etc, as they may not make your death painless.

[Richard Groyper]

Misogynist. Today's buzzword, applied liberally, mainly used for derailing discourse. Common shaming tactic deployed by feminists. *yawn*

[chefist]

the more glaring failure of leftist Euro policy is Greece...politicians paying off government employees with expensive, early retirement packages...now it will throw their country into default...and perhaps break up the EU...you can't get something for nothing in this universe, it's called the Law of Conservation of Energy...it will come back and revisit you sooner or later!

[Yorkshire pud]

Misogynist. Today's buzzword, applied liberally, mainly used for derailing discourse. Common shaming tactic deployed by feminists. *yawn*

Look it up. Karl knows what it means; he revels in it. Not a new buzzword. Origin is Latin. But less derailing, more explaining that the Taliban are not liberal in deed, thought or philosophy.

[Yorkshire pud]

the more glaring failure of leftist Euro policy is Greece...politicians paying off government employees with expensive, early retirement packages...now it will throw their country into default...and perhaps break up the EU...you can't get something for nothing in this universe, it's called the Law of Conservation of Energy...it will come back and revisit you sooner or later!

Yep. And all the more ironic that the EU is led by arguably the most liberal German government in history. And Germany are tired of Greece.

[chefist]

Yep. And all the more ironic that the EU is led by arguably the most liberal German government in history. And Germany are tired of Greece.

that's pretty bad...Germany and France have always had liberal policies for workers, but have managed to stay solvent...Greece took it too far...they should have vetted Greece better before allowing them to join the EU...

Can't imagine an entire state in the US defaulting...but now we have a city, Detroit, that did...who knows in the future...

[Richard Groyper]

Look it up. Karl knows what it means; he revels in it. Not a new buzzword. Origin is Latin. But less derailing, more explaining that the Taliban are not liberal in deed, thought or philosophy.

It's a buzzword used frequently, and IMO, often used incorrectly. I never said or implied the word was new or just created.

The Taliban and progressive liberal's ideologies may be different yet the two share similar tactics. I doubt Karl was meaning the two were mutually exclusive.

[Yorkshire pud]

that's pretty bad...Germany and France have always had liberal policies for workers, but have managed to stay solvent...Greece took it too far...they should have vetted Greece better before allowing them to join the EU...

Can't imagine an entire state in the US defaulting...but now we have a city, Detroit, that did...who knows in the future...

Bad and not a little naive thinking by the rest of the EU who agreed to Greece joining the EU. The currency (Euro) is fixed like all currencies to the market. As are interest rates...It's great if your country's economy is strong and have a broad spectrum of industries that command top dollar (such as Germany), but if like Greece, up to joining you've been lax in tax collecting (as in none existent for the majority other than the low waged citizens), but spend borrowed money like it's going out of fashion you're heading for disaster. Greece shouldn't have been allowed to join, but the countries that sanctioned it saw fairies and pixies making it all right 'tomorrow', more wishful thinking and faith rather than hard nosed economic sense. Now it's all come back to bite their arses; it could be the start of more falling and the eventual collapse of the Euro; time will tell.

[Yorkshire pud]

It's a buzzword used frequently, and IMO, often used incorrectly. I never said or implied the word was new or just created.

The Taliban and progressive liberal's ideologies may be different yet the two share similar tactics. I doubt Karl was meaning the two were mutually exclusive.

What? Which tactics might these be? Bulldozing walls over people they dislike? Making education for women outlawed? Living in the middle ages and having no music, art or basic human pleasures? Yeah, cos your average artist and musician is almost always anti liberal thinking... 


As for used incorrectly, not this time, QK is a misogynist. You're new to QK, you should see his past posts when he mentions women; well when he's not sucking on Phil Robertsons dick.

[Sardondi]

Ahh what you mean is anyone who disagrees with YOUR version of what the world should be like eh? No women would be even better for you. Something you share with Muslim religious primitives; you're both misogynists. You're both anti gay. You both have no time for anyone who you consider liberal thinking.

Let's assume arguendo all your ridiculous (and as far as I can tell essentially indistinguishable from ad hom) accusations about QK are true: how does that even respond to, much less disprove, his statement that "Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition"? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Up to your auld tricks, Pud?

Aha! Nobody expects the Sardondi!

[chefist]

Bad and not a little naive thinking by the rest of the EU who agreed to Greece joining the EU. The currency (Euro) is fixed like all currencies to the market. As are interest rates...It's great if your country's economy is strong and have a broad spectrum of industries that command top dollar (such as Germany), but if like Greece, up to joining you've been lax in tax collecting (as in none existent for the majority other than the low waged citizens), but spend borrowed money like it's going out of fashion you're heading for disaster. Greece shouldn't have been allowed to join, but the countries that sanctioned it saw fairies and pixies making it all right 'tomorrow', more wishful thinking and faith rather than hard nosed economic sense. Now it's all come back to bite their arses; it could be the start of more falling and the eventual collapse of the Euro; time will tell.

The EU experiment is just very, very different to the republican form of government we have here in the US...we are bound by a common language, 240 year old constitution AND currency, etc....also, most states in the US have a balanced budget amendment, which helps keep them from defaulting on debt...

[Yorkshire pud]

Let's assume arguendo all your ridiculous (and as far as I can tell essentially indistinguishable from ad hom) accusations about QK are true: how does that even respond to, much less disprove, his statement that "Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition"? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Up to your auld tricks, Pud?

Aha! Nobody expects the Sardondi!

Bloody hell!! Where the fuck you been you daft bugger?

He didn't say that to begin with; he expanded it because he saw he was comparing like with like verbatim.

(Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur)

[Yorkshire pud]

The EU experiment is just very, very different to the republican form of government we have here in the US...we are bound by a common language, 240 year old constitution AND currency, etc....also, most states in the US have a balanced budget amendment, which helps keep them from defaulting on debt...

France is a republic; it's the most secular country in Europe. France banned the Muslim women wearing anything that covers their faces, all of it. Their economy is mainly agriculture driven, hence the old Common Agriculture policy of the 70's and 80's...Quelle Suprise! France and Germany between them use the EU for their own ends, although Germany is the largest net contributor.

[SciFiAuthor]

Oh I'm not defending what the Soviet Union did, but it's errornous to equate the Taliban or ANY Middle Eastern government/ bandits/ terrorist with liberal thinking or philosophy. Tell your average Taliban bandit ( or IS or Al Quada member- a man, naturally) how you'd like men and women to be equal and women be in strong political or societal positions over them and see how it goes! Make sure you also don't bring up gay rights etc, as they may not make your death painless.

It's just something I've noticed about the left across the pond. It's like historical Soviet foreign policy doesn't exist and Henry Kissinger is the most evil man to have ever existed. I know why that is, Hitchens made a ton of money off a hit-piece book and then his assertions became a leftwing meme, but it drives me nuts to no end how the left over there rewrites history and it ends up over here as fact when it's actually not the whole story. Kissinger can't walk out of his house without someone throwing a pie at him and while Hitchens laughed all the way to the bank. Yet figures like Li Duc Tho fade from the assessment of foreign policy history.

I agree otherwise in that I don't think you can call a group like the Taliban "Liberal" or "Conservative". They don't work on those rules, they have policies that seem extremely right wing, yet they also have policies that are clearly socialist. The real truth about those groups I think is that they are just power mongers and will bribe, steal, kill or do whatever is necessary to maintain their power and status. Religion and coercion are their methods of controlling the population that they're grifting. Thugs taking advantage of an uneducated superstitious population.

[SciFiAuthor]

Aha! Nobody expects the Sardondi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

[Richard Groyper]

What? Which tactics might these be? Bulldozing walls over people they dislike? Making education for women outlawed? Living in the middle ages and having no music, art or basic human pleasures? Yeah, cos your average artist and musician is almost always anti liberal thinking... 


As for used incorrectly, not this time, QK is a misogynist. You're new here, you should see his past posts when he mentions women; well when he's not sucking on Phil Robertsons dick.

Calling for outlawing & banning whatever "offended" the cause. Did you see the 'ban bossy' campaigne?  "Bulldozing" opposition with race/gender/sexual orientation baiting on cable news and social media. Attempting to guilt whoever with the "oppression" card. Enjoying art as long as it fits their narritive.

To be fair, I think some conservatives behave the same. Just not as obnoxiously. That's why I singled out progressives.

[Richard Groyper]

It's just something I've noticed about the left across the pond. It's like historical Soviet foreign policy doesn't exist and Henry Kissinger is the most evil man to have ever existed. I know why that is, Hitchens made a ton of money off a hit-piece book and then his assertions became a leftwing meme, but it drives me nuts to no end how the left over there rewrites history and it ends up over here as fact when it's actually not the whole story. Kissinger can't walk out of his house without someone throwing a pie at him and while Hitchens laughed all the way to the bank. Yet figures like Li Duc Tho fade from the assessment of foreign policy history.

I agree otherwise in that I don't think you can call a group like the Taliban "Liberal" or "Conservative". They don't work on those rules, they have policies that seem extremely right wing, yet they also have policies that are clearly socialist. The real truth about those groups I think is that they are just power mongers and will bribe, steal, kill or do whatever is necessary to maintain their power and status. Religion and coercion are their methods of controlling the population that they're grifting. Thugs taking advantage of an uneducated superstitious population.

I believe the label fits due to the religious way both sides behave.

[Quick Karl]

Let's assume arguendo all your ridiculous (and as far as I can tell essentially indistinguishable from ad hom) accusations about QK are true: how does that even respond to, much less disprove, his statement that "Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition"? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Up to your auld tricks, Pud?

Aha! Nobody expects the Sardondi!

The place just has NOT been the same without you! 

[Richard Groyper]

Let's assume arguendo all your ridiculous (and as far as I can tell essentially indistinguishable from ad hom) accusations about QK are true: how does that even respond to, much less disprove, his statement that "Liberals in America are the Taliban of America in their zealotry to impose their choices and philosophies upon everyone, and crush all opposition"? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Up to your auld tricks, Pud?

Aha! Nobody expects the Sardondi!

New phrase - "You've been Sardondi'd!

[SciFiAuthor]

I believe the label fits due to the religious way both sides behave.

Religion really is the ultimate red herring in middle eastern politics. You'd think after enough hardship and suffering they'd give it up or tone it down or whatever.

[paladin1991]

I'm game: who supports (I'm guessing that's what you meant)  the Taliban? Bear in mind they're the evolution of the Mujahideen; an anti Soviet, CIA backed and trained guerrilla unit. In the Reagan years.

Exactly.  All the good guys, took a vacay after they tossed the Russians out.  Only the crazies came back to fuck things up.  After the Reagan years.

[Richard Groyper]

Religion really is the ultimate red herring in middle eastern politics. You'd think after enough hardship and suffering they'd give it up or tone it down or whatever.

It is isn't it. Religion allows a certain few the "power" to impose their... err... God's will on the average person.