The Clinton Trump Debates

[GravitySucks]

1.'Obamacare' giving more than 20 million Americans health insurance who did not have it previously.
2.7 years of sustained economic growth, albeit generally slow
3.Low unemployment by historical standards
4.Exponentially declining costs of renewable energy (though not yet ready to be used by vehicles) and it's debatable how much politicians had to do with this.
5.Low inflation

$10 trillion additional debt. You could have bought everyone insurance for far less money than Obamacare cost. Some people have insurance that didn't before. Some people that had it before don't have it anymore. 93 million out of the workforce. Inflation is low because demand is low and because oil prices are low (in spite of Obama).

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Except when it turns out to be bubble and crashes.

And the Democrats manipulated the market to force out all but the richest players and turn it into an even more rigged game. When people start talking about how great the economy and market is doing, I can immediately tell two things. One they have no idea what they're talking about and two they are unwealthy plebs.

[Richard Groyper]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpLQzeCoNnA

The missing emails, mv! The missing emails!

[Donald Noory]

$10 trillion additional debt. You could have bought everyone insurance for far less money than Obamacare cost. Some people have insurance that didn't before. Some people that had it before don't have it anymore. 93 million out of the workforce. Inflation is low because demand is low and because oil prices are low (in spite of Obama).

Yeah we would have been much better off with McCain or Romney. Further into the ditch.

[Value Of Pi]

The problem is Trump wasn't a politician at the time, Clinton was. She voted for the war. Holding Trump to account for the Iraq war is irelevant.

If he wasn't claiming, against the only available evidence, that he was against the war (before it started), it wouldn't be a problem for him. But he insists on repeating the claim. So, obviously, he'll get called on it. Sean Hannity's testimony won't help when there's a taped interview.

Hillary's support is what he should have focused on, if he were smart. But he made the claim he did.

[Richard Groyper]

0% interest loans, adjustable rates, and people with horrible credit had no business receiving home loans. Affirmative action--in action.

[SciFiAuthor]

And the Democrats manipulated the market to force out all but the richest players and turn it into an even more rigged game. When people start talking about how great the economy and market is doing, I can immediately tell two things. One they have no idea what they're talking about and two they are unwealthy plebs.

Yeah, exactly. How anyone thinks the economy is fine is probably in some cush desk college job or on welfare. The economy day to day fucking sucks, and has sucked since 2008. You can clearly see it in the metrics the government doesn't want you to know about, such as the Fed M2 Velocity of Money.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

If people really knew and understood what that metric meant, they'd shit themselves.

[paladin1991]

Your mom was a double bagger, wasn't she?  One bag on her and another that each of your high school friends would share.  Amirite? 

[Donald Noory]

And the Democrats manipulated the market to force out all but the richest players and turn it into an even more rigged game. When people start talking about how great the economy and market is doing, I can immediately tell two things. One they have no idea what they're talking about and two they are unwealthy plebs.

You're an idiot. The SEC manipulated the market to force out the non-rich players. The pattern day trader rule came into effect in 2001, when Bush was President.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Yeah, exactly. How anyone thinks the economy is fine is probably in some cush desk college job or on welfare. The economy day to day fucking sucks, and has sucked since 2008. You can clearly see it in the metrics the government doesn't want you to know about, such as the Fed M2 Velocity of Money.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

If people really knew and understood what that metric meant, they'd shit themselves.

Dude seriously, one of the biggest things that flipped me from being a liberal was money. It actually gets me kind of crazy when liberals talk about money or the market or the economy. I can listen to their woo babble on race relations, or whatever buzzword is in their mind today or whatever else subjective fantasy they want to blame their failings in life on today. But it gets me really kind of crazy when they people start talking about the economy from headlines they read on social media while having no clue about anything beyond what Occupy Democrats told them. Not only is insulting to the intelligence but it profoundly depresses me that people are too stupid to understand how arguably the most important aspect of their life works.

[Donald Noory]

Your mom was a double bagger, wasn't she?  One bag on her and another that each of your high school friends would share.  Amirite?

[Astrid Galactic]

Yeah we would have been much better off with McCain or Romney. Further into the ditch.

Different puppets, same master. Hillary is just another one of the master's puppets.

[GravitySucks]

Yeah we would have been much better off with McCain or Romney. Further into the ditch.

Different ditch. I don't give just Obama the blame. Bush doubled the debt and Obama doubled it again. They didn't do it alone. Over the last 16 years both parties had control of Congress and the budget. How many years did Obama go without even submitting a budget?  I know it was at least 6. That is why I don't want an establishment candidate. We need to destroy the stranglehold of the establishment on both sides.

If you don't see that Clinton just means more of the same, there is nothing you will believe.

[SciFiAuthor]

Dude seriously, one of the biggest things that flipped me from being a liberal was money. It actually gets me kind of crazy when liberals talk about money or the market or the economy. I can listen to their woo babble on race relations, or whatever buzzword is in their mind today or whatever else subjective fantasy they want to blame their failings in life on today. But it gets me really kind of crazy when they people start talking about the economy from headlines they read on social media while having no clue about anything beyond what Occupy Democrats told them. Not only is insulting to the intelligence but it profoundly depresses me that people are too stupid to understand how arguably the most important aspect of their life works.

Yeah, I agree. It's true. They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. And they are about to get waylaid as technological unemployment creates a situation where job growth is permanently outstripped by job losses to automation. Liberals are wholly unprepared for how to deal with this. It astonishes me that they're still worried about using race baiting to get elected. Good way to get guillotined, historically speaking.

[136 or 142]

Dude seriously, one of the biggest things that flipped me from being a liberal was money. It actually gets me kind of crazy when liberals talk about money or the market or the economy. I can listen to their woo babble on race relations, or whatever buzzword is in their mind today or whatever else subjective fantasy they want to blame their failings in life on today. But it gets me really kind of crazy when they people start talking about the economy from headlines they read on social media while having no clue about anything beyond what Occupy Democrats told them. Not only is insulting to the intelligence but it profoundly depresses me that people are too stupid to understand how arguably the most important aspect of their life works.

You mean like most of the posters here?

[136 or 142]

Yeah, exactly. How anyone thinks the economy is fine is probably in some cush desk college job or on welfare. The economy day to day fucking sucks, and has sucked since 2008. You can clearly see it in the metrics the government doesn't want you to know about, such as the Fed M2 Velocity of Money.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

If people really knew and understood what that metric meant, they'd shit themselves.

Since you're such an expert on economics you might want to inform gravity sucks why the '93 million jobless Americans' claim is totally dishonest.

[FightTheFuture]

Not one coughing fit. Did not face plant. No weird objects discharged from her person.

Good night for Hills.

[136 or 142]

I can't wait to hear 'Dr' John Curtis, who I assume will  be on tonight, spinning on how Trump dominated the debate.  I'd like it to go like this, but I don't think it will:

"Trump was on point all night, especially with his constant snorting.  Everybody knows the most successful Presidents were cocaine addicts."

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Yeah, I agree. It's true. They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. And they are about to get waylaid as technological unemployment creates a situation where job growth is permanently outstripped by job losses to automation. Liberals are wholly unprepared for how to deal with this. It astonishes me that they're still worried about using race baiting to get elected. Good way to get guillotined, historically speaking.

You're an idiot. The SEC manipulated the market to force out the non-rich players. The pattern day trader rule came into effect in 2001, when Bush was President.

Case in point.

[GravitySucks]

Since you're such an expert on economics you might want to inform gravity sucks why the '93 million jobless Americans' claim is totally dishonest.

You're right. It is up to 94.7 million

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94708000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-drops

[Astrid Galactic]

Yeah, exactly. How anyone thinks the economy is fine is probably in some cush desk college job or on welfare. The economy day to day fucking sucks, and has sucked since 2008. You can clearly see it in the metrics the government doesn't want you to know about, such as the Fed M2 Velocity of Money.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

If people really knew and understood what that metric meant, they'd shit themselves.

All anyone has to do is walk into a grocery store, look at rents, or check out the prices of utilities and other necessities and they would know better. Oh, gas went down. Great. In the meantime, all delivery charges, including the postal service, just keeps going up. Most people know better just by living everyday life.

[SciFiAuthor]

Since you're such an expert on economics you might want to inform gravity sucks why the '93 million jobless Americans' claim is totally dishonest.

Tell me how.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Tell me how.

136 spent the weekend counting them all, twice.

[GravitySucks]

136 spent the weekend counting them all, twice.

LOL

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

Not one coughing fit. Did not face plant. No weird objects discharged from her person.

Good night for Hills.

lol, can't disagree there.

[136 or 142]

$10 trillion additional debt. You could have bought everyone insurance for far less money than Obamacare cost. Some people have insurance that didn't before. Some people that had it before don't have it anymore. 93 million out of the workforce. Inflation is low because demand is low and because oil prices are low (in spite of Obama).

1.Many more people have insurance now than before.

2.Odd, when Reagan was President in the 1980s Republicans said that 'budgets are the responsibility of Congress, the large deficits are the fault of the Democrats.'
When Clinton was President in the 1990s Republicans said that 'budgets are the responsibility of Congress, the surpluses are the result of the work of the Republican Congress.

Strange how the Republican Congress isn't responsible this time.

[SciFiAuthor]

Case in point.

Yeah, exactly. A guy, probably my age or older, that believes that political narrative is more important than reality.

[Donald Noory]

1.Many more people have insurance now than before.

2.Odd, when Reagan was President in the 1980s Republicans said that 'budgets are the responsibility of Congress, the large deficits are the fault of the Democrats.'
When Clinton was President in the 1990s Republicans said that 'budgets are the responsibility of Congress, the surpluses are the result of the work of the Republican Congress.

Strange how the Republican Congress isn't responsible this time.

[Donald Noory]

Yeah, exactly. A guy, probably my age or older, that believes that political narrative is more important than reality.

You haven't demonstrated you know anything about reality.

[paladin1991]

This is the part where your mom drops to her knees and begins to choke herself.   And not with hands.