Trump

[Quick Karl]

I said "popular culture," not the museum or in history books. But even you constantly point out his homosexuality over his accomplishments with regard to Enigma or computational theory. And I guarantee if you ask the "man on the street" they will have not have heard of the Polish researchers and, sadly, probably not even Turning. But if they have they will likely speak about his homosexuality, "persecution", conviction, and suicide first as that is what is promoted in the media and movies this days because sexuality, the more bizarre or deviant the better, is the number one, most important trait of a person; not their occupation, legacy, work, research, etc but who they screw and how they do it.

Back to Trump:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-2016/index.html?eref=rss_politics
"That showed such weakness, the way he was taken away by two young women"
Possibly offending women, black lives matter agitators, and going after Sanders at all once. Classic.

Fucking queers - their assholes are the most important facet of their meaningless existences...

The guy wasn't drummed out because he was a queer, it was because he was trying to queer little boys. No one gives a fuck now, or gave a fuck then, what someone did in their closet, presuming it was another adult they were doing it with.

Anal sex is for assholes - it smells like shit.

[Yorkshire pud]

Fucking queers - their assholes are the most important facet of their meaningless existences...

The guy wasn't drummed out because he was a queer, it was because he was trying to queer little boys. No one gives a fuck now, or gave a fuck then, what someone did in their closet, presuming it was another adult they were doing it with.

Anal sex is for assholes - it smells like shit.

Jeeeze, if America ever depends on the uneducated fuckwitted twats to make them great again, you're at the top of the fucking pile!

Please don't vote will you? Or breed. Oh hang on, that won't happen, unless you get her very drunk.

[Up All Night]

So, the conspiracy theorists say that Trump is just "taking all of the air out of the room" so no Rep. gets the name recognition needed to defeat Hillary. They say Trump will bow out, at some crucial point, leaving whomever is left to try and get enough name recognition to beat brand Hillary (Clinton).

But, I want to believe. So, I hope that Trump sticks it out. I just want to believe.

I simply do get not a thrill running up my leg when Jeb speaks and makes faces at the camera.

I will say that there's some tingling when Rubio speaks...

[Quick Karl]

So, the conspiracy theorists say that Trump is just "taking all of the air out of the room" so no Rep. gets the name recognition needed to defeat Hillary. They say Trump will bow out, at some crucial point, leaving whomever is left to try and get enough name recognition to beat brand Hillary (Clinton).

But, I want to believe. So, I hope that Trump sticks it out. I just want to believe.

I simply do get not a thrill running up my leg when Jeb speaks and makes faces at the camera.

I will say that there's some tingling when Rubio speaks...

How many businessmen do you suppose will book stays at one of Trump's golf resorts after he bows out and hands the country to Hillary?

His "brand" would be even worse shit than that corporate fascist cunt, Megyn Crowley...

[WOTR]

I'm nit saying Trump can't be bought, but he's probably too expensive.

A man who has declared bankruptsy and is worth millions again has been bought and paid for by banks, finance companies and "friends" a hundred times over.  Yup, he may not owe any favours for financing THIS election, but he owes them just the same.

[albrecht]

A man who has declared bankruptsy and is worth millions again has been bought and paid for by banks, finance companies and "friends" a hundred times over.  Yup, he may not owe any favours for financing THIS election, but he owes them just the same.

True, but there is a difference between milking the system and believing in it. Actually some of the people who are most "against" the system/government (both on the far-right, the far-left, and in other places have phrases like "bleed the beast" or "Cloward-Piven," use lawsuits, use bankruptcy protection, file motions, liens, tax-shelters, and whatnot.) And almost all rich people or corporations/banks give money to both sides to hedge their bets and ensure they have "access." Having said that I have suspicions both about Trump and Fox, especially considering Murdoch is a Clintonista (or was) and Trump also have given money to the Foundation and campaigns in past....

[Up All Night]

In Heaven, there will be no job-description of Lawyer.

[WOTR]

And almost all rich people or corporations/banks give money to both sides to hedge their bets and ensure they have "access." Having said that I have suspicions both about Trump and Fox, especially considering Murdoch is a Clintonista (or was) and Trump also have given money to the Foundation and campaigns in past....

This is it... While you may get a few years of a politician who cannot be bought (and I REALLY doubt that one) there is no way that it will continue.  There is no way that somebody who made millions buying politicians wants to change their ability to buy them in the future.  Also, I really do believe that he owes a lot of favours to have gotten to where he is.  He will repay them and he will make it easier for a billionaire to make a few billion more.  How the "little guy" or average joe thinks that he is going to represent them is beyond me.

[Quick Karl]

This is it... While you may get a few years of a politician who cannot be bought (and I REALLY doubt that one) there is no way that it will continue.  There is no way that somebody who made millions buying politicians wants to change their ability to buy them in the future.  Also, I really do believe that he owes a lot of favours to have gotten to where he is.  He will repay them and he will make it easier for a billionaire to make a few billion more.  How the "little guy" or average joe thinks that he is going to represent them is beyond me.

So, we should all just shut up and keep getting FUCKED by the DNC and RNC machines...

Pure genius I tell ya!

[paladin1991]

Some Poles (Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski, and Jerzy Różycki) were important and influential in breaking Enigma early on but 1) they weren't homosexual and 2) they were Poles so less known now, especially in popular culture where Turing's sexual choices are more important than his very valuable effort to the Allied war effort and computation theory.

Gordon Welchman, who became head of Hut 6 (GC&CS) at Bletchley Park:

"Hut 6 Ultra would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military version of the commercial Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use"

There seems to be so little known about this essential episode to the cracking of enigma.   I only heard about the Poles involvement about 2 yrs back.

[albrecht]

There seems to be so little known about this essential episode to the cracking of enigma.   I only heard about the Poles involvement about 2 yrs back.

Poland through out history gets a bad deal. Either always being invaded by other people, being caught between larger powers, or simply being the butt of jokes. Poland, (King Sobieski,) also saved Europe from the Muslims at the gates of Vienna in 1683 (on Sept 11, I oft wondered if that was why our current Muslim choose that date to attack us.) Poland also invented vodka (but Russia claims this also.)

[Yorkshire pud]

There seems to be so little known about this essential episode to the cracking of enigma.   I only heard about the Poles involvement about 2 yrs back.

Cryptanalysis of the Enigma enabled the western Allies in World War II to read substantial amounts of secret Morse-coded radio communications of the Axis powers that had been enciphered using Enigma machines. This yielded military intelligence which, along with that from other decrypted Axis radio and teleprinter transmissions, was given the codename Ultra. This was considered by western Supreme Allied Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower to have been "decisive" to the Allied victory.[1]

The Enigma machines were a family of portable cipher machines with rotor scramblers.[2] Good operating procedures, properly enforced, would have made the cipher unbreakable.[3][4] However, most of the German armed and secret services and civilian agencies that used Enigma employed poor procedures and it was these poor operating procedures that allowed the Enigma machines to be reverse engineered and the ciphers to be read.

The German plugboard-equipped Enigma became the Third Reich's principal crypto-system. It was broken by the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau in December 1932â€"with the aid of French-supplied intelligence material that had been obtained from a German spy. Shortly before the outbreak of World War II, the Polish Cipher Bureau initiated the French and British into its Enigma-breaking techniques and technology at a conference held in Warsaw.

From this beginning, the British Government Code and Cypher School (GC&CS) at Bletchley Park built up an extensive cryptanalytic facility. Initially, the decryption was mainly of Luftwaffe and a few Army messages, as the Kriegsmarine (German navy) employed much more secure procedures for using Enigma. Alan Turing, a Cambridge University mathematician and logician, provided much of the original thinking that led to the design of the cryptanalytical Bombe machines and the eventual breaking of naval Enigma. However, the German Navy introduced an Enigma version with a fourth rotor for its U-boats resulting in a prolonged period when these messages could not be decrypted. With the capture of relevant cipher keys and the use of much faster US Navy Bombes, regular, rapid reading of U-boat messages resumed.

However, the above précis isn't touching even a tiny amount of the work the girls (some as young as 17) and boys did under extreme stress and long hours at Bletchley Park. Churchill described the staff as the "Geese who laid the golden eggs, but never cackled".

So devoted to their oath of absolute secrecy that at Bletchley, the guy showing how the 'bombe' worked told us of an elderly woman who corrected something he'd said. He asked how she knew and she replied she'd worked there in the war. Her equally elderly husband looked shocked. He hadn't known, nor had she known he'd worked there too.

[SredniVashtar]

You remind me of a book I bought about the subject but never got round to reading. I shall have to dig it out. You'll have to watch the Imitation Game, Paladin - that sounds like a pretty thorough intro to the subject - well, as far as you can do it in a film anyway. I think one of the interesting details about it is that they often chose not to act on what they found for fear that the Germans would cotton on to the fact that we knew what they were up to. I think Churchill knew about the bombing of Coventry in advance, for example. War is a brutal business. Just ask anyone who lived in Dresden at that time.

[Yorkshire pud]

You remind me of a book I bought about the subject but never got round to reading. I shall have to dig it out. You'll have to watch the Imitation Game, Paladin - that sounds like a pretty thorough intro to the subject - well, as far as you can do it in a film anyway. I think one of the interesting details about it is that they often chose not to act on what they found for fear that the Germans would cotton on to the fact that we knew what they were up to. I think Churchill knew about the bombing of Coventry in advance, for example. War is a brutal business. Just ask anyone who lived in Dresden at that time.

I read the book by Sinclair McKay. Fantastic. Watched the film Imitation Game and would  have walked out if I'd been alone, I thought it was appalling. Well acted but the story was rubbish. Churchill probably did know about Coventry and had the foresight not to trust Stalin, as the new GCHQ used Colossus and techniques learned at Bletchley. Stalin never knew it existed.

[SredniVashtar]

I read the book by Sinclair McKay. Fantastic. Watched the film Imitation Game and would  have walked out if I'd been alone, I thought it was appalling. Well acted but the story was rubbish. Churchill probably did know about Coventry and had the foresight not to trust Stalin, as the new GCHQ used Colossus and techniques learned at Bletchley. Stalin never knew it existed.

I've not seen the film but I had heard it was supposed to be good, so interesting to get a different opinion. I suppose you have to cut a few corners when trying to make something like that, where the subject matter is not exactly going to be a box office draw. I think the book I have was written by someone called Montefiore, but I picked it up for a couple of quid and never got round to it, as happens so often. We did pardon Turing in the end (which was bloody decent of us considering that he did nothing wrong), but he is definitely one of our forgotten heroes, even with this posthumous publicity.

[albrecht]

I've not seen the film but I had heard it was supposed to be good, so interesting to get a different opinion. I suppose you have to cut a few corners when trying to make something like that, where the subject matter is not exactly going to be a box office draw. I think the book I have was written by someone called Montefiore, but I picked it up for a couple of quid and never got round to it, as happens so often. We did pardon Turing in the end (which was bloody decent of us considering that he did nothing wrong), but he is definitely one of our forgotten heroes, even with this posthumous publicity.

Films by their nature and time limitations need to pick a few, or single, subject of the whole story and can't possibly tell the whole thing, and will usually focus on the personalities, relationships, or "action" if they wish to make money. I'd rather read anyway and even books need to sometimes focus on only certain aspects of the whole story. I haven't read Simon Sebag Montefiore's book on Enigma or Turing but I read his book on Stalin a while back ("Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar") and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Yeah, tough decisions need to be made in war time (or other times) that can cost lives for the greater goal. And they will always be seconded-guessed, analyzed, or criticized by others later. You hear. Also sometimes it cannot be clear if the intelligence itself, even if intercepted, is reliable. So even "if" Churchill, just one example, knew of Midnight Sonata he might not have known if it was a truthful plan, or a feint, or disinformation. As an aside I really sort of surprised more people in intelligence operations don't "go crazy" because of the levels of duplicity, spies, "wheels within wheels," and paranoia.

[paladin1991]

You remind me of a book I bought about the subject but never got round to reading. I shall have to dig it out. You'll have to watch the Imitation Game, Paladin - that sounds like a pretty thorough intro to the subject - well, as far as you can do it in a film anyway. I think one of the interesting details about it is that they often chose not to act on what they found for fear that the Germans would cotton on to the fact that we knew what they were up to. I think Churchill knew about the bombing of Coventry in advance, for example. War is a brutal business. Just ask anyone who lived in Dresden at that time.

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Like my father-iin-law.  He was on the ground when the birds came in and dropped their loads.  And the aftermath.

[FightTheFuture]

You remind me of a book I bought about the subject but never got round to reading. I shall have to dig it out. You'll have to watch the Imitation Game, Paladin - that sounds like a pretty thorough intro to the subject - well, as far as you can do it in a film anyway. I think one of the interesting details about it is that they often chose not to act on what they found for fear that the Germans would cotton on to the fact that we knew what they were up to. I think Churchill knew about the bombing of Coventry in advance, for example. War is a brutal business. Just ask anyone who lived in Dresden at that time.

Didn`t happen that way. They didn`t have the right keys prior to Coventry being bombed. Nothing they could have done.

[Yorkshire pud]

Didn`t happen that way. They didn`t have the right keys prior to Coventry being bombed. Nothing they could have done.

The RAF had a radar tracker that was the embryonic version of passive radar. Bletchley decoded the plans that the Luftwaffe were raiding the Midlands, Coventry being prime because they were building aircraft and engines. This was passed up through the chain (Bletchley staff didn't decide what was or wasn't important, they just passed it on), to Churchill and the War office. It's been suspected since the destruction that Churchill knew Coventry was the target, but to scramble night fighters would have compromised the detection methods.

[FightTheFuture]

In his 2001 book, Station X, historian Michael Smith has eyewitness testimony from the codebreakers that on that day, they simply failed to break the cypher --  something that happened a fair amount of the time.

There was some indication from another coded stream that a big German operation was planned for that night, and indeed, Churchill ordered air defenses around London beefed up. But there was absolutely no evidence that Coventry would be the target.

Keith Batey wrote in a diary, obtained by Smith,  that although they knew that a big bombing was coming, "we did not know more and to our dismay did not break any key for several days before 14 November: the result was the unhindered and disastrous bombing of Coventry." Batey, of course, had no incentive to throw himself under the bus well after the war when giving his recollection of a technology that had already been declassified.

[WOTR]

So, we should all just shut up and keep getting FUCKED by the DNC and RNC machines...

Pure genius I tell ya!

I don't think that I said that- but bend over, 'cause here comes daddy Trump.

[CornyCrow]

Fucking queers - their assholes are the most important facet of their meaningless existences...

The guy wasn't drummed out because he was a queer, it was because he was trying to queer little boys. No one gives a fuck now, or gave a fuck then, what someone did in their closet, presuming it was another adult they were doing it with.

Anal sex is for assholes - it smells like shit.

If you don't like it, don't do it. 

[SredniVashtar]

[/b]

Like my father-iin-law.  He was on the ground when the birds came in and dropped their loads.  And the aftermath.

Geez, that sounds awful...having you as a son-in-law 

You must start to wonder about reincarnation, and whether you have been unspeakably naughty in a previous life, when you find yourself in the middle of Dresden at the same time 'Bomber' Harris starts doing his stuff. You get through that more or less unscathed and then a few decades later G.I Joe wanders in and carries off your Geliebte Tochter ("sieg heil, motherfuckers!"). I should think it was enough to make der arme mensch say, "Mein Gott, warum hast Du mich verlassen?" First a firestorm, then a shitstorm.

BellGabbers might be interested to know that, through a FOIA request, I have been able to obtain footage of Paladin's wedding reception. To be fair, he had already drunk an entire vat of Weissbier by then, and his intentions to get the party started (or "liven this bitch up", as he slurringly put it) were well meant. But that's the Germans for you - no sense of humour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

[NowhereInTime]

If you don't like it, don't do it.

Oh, but he likes it.  (self-loathing Jew and self-loathing queer - a combination tailor made for shooting up a movie theater)

[aldousburbank]

I like how people get all indignant because Trump (or anybody) suggests that we actually enforce our immigration laws. WTF?

[onan]

I like how people get all indignant because Trump (or anybody) suggests that we actually enforce our immigration laws. WTF?

Shut up wet back.

[aldousburbank]

Shut up wet back.

I demand free towels!

[albrecht]

I demand free towels!

Just don't steal them from a Trump owned hotel or casino.

[aldousburbank]

Just don't steal them from a Trump owned hotel or casino.

Oops- too late.

[albrecht]

Every pundit and candidate calling Trump's plan is crazy. CNN running banner " Trump plan is not feasible." And so on. BS, if we can go to the moon we can enforce our border, which almost every other country around the world does. The only reason I like Trump because he is forcing the media, their corporate backers, and both Parties to show their cards. When Bush says, as he just did,  "Trump's plan costs too much" Trump should immediately tweet back "Cheaper than your father and brother's wars. But yould you support it if we gave the contract to round-up the illegals to Halliburton and store them in Correction Corporation of America facilities?"