Trump

[CornyCrow]

He has already given, but maybe not. But I'm leaning that way. But recall back then 92 there also was Duke trying as an insurgent candidate, I think that year. Didn't get very far beyond his coon-ass base but some funny buttons. Bush-Duke etc. Sorta of like the Clinton-Gore buttons with the Confederate Flag that were made. Got one for historical sake. It was a weird election. Perot, a genuine good businessman and guy, but with some weirdness for sure! His VP was a bonafide war hero and good guy who was vilified. And in the "looks" department? We had to wait for a black to deal with bad ears and shortness. But I don't think Perot was in it to lose it, he was a little nutty but believed, wrongly. Trump? I agree. I like the shake up, I like the antics but I suspect either an outright Clintonista or "useful idiot" strategy. Too suspect especially when another candidate against Billary, though I don't like him except his gun-rights and some State/National sovereignty stuff, Sanders is getting shutdown by BOTH Parties and the media (and "black lives matter" groups.)

I did not think Perot was nutty.  He kept saying it was a people's movement.  He was believed.  He got tons of volunteers, in every state.  They organized and worked their tails off.  THEN Perot started sending in his PAID people from Texas who tried to take over the state organizations.  All the volunteer workers quit because they had not signed up for this.  All at once Perot had a vastly diminished organization.  THen he decided he wanted out of the whole thing because his plan did not work, so he started saying 'crazy' things to the media, something that included (I think) GeoBush 'H' and hit men being sent to his daughter's wedding.  He just wanted out but would rather be seen as nuts than a loser. 

[CornyCrow]

Why do think the Obama Doctrine open-border with cartels and military purges (both at high levels or vis-a-vis the VA accelerated? Balkanization is the plan. The new civil war is intended, likely. The only issue, now, is how unfortunate it is because those things never tend well (except for financial backers, after a time.) Forget buying gold, buy lead. And lots of it. Too bad and I don't want or advocate it but "the fix is in." Sucks though. We had a good country, for  a bit, the "winding down" started in earnest in 65 immigration reform but started earlier fiscally, politically, and "legally"

I agree.  Even in Europe this dropping of state boundaries and the mixing of cultures is seen - and they are complaining as well.  You cannot have a one world government when people feel loyal to something so those somethings have to go.  Islam plays into their hands because the loyalty is seen to be to the religion and not the state.

[CornyCrow]

They vote. The richest counties now are those that surround government areas like DC or financial centers. They also control, often, the elections (in terms of voting, the systems, the count, the minions monitoring the stations where we are told to "Vote Aqui" in my FEMA Region, etc.) She can win, maybe likely. No debates, "women factor," and money. I disagree with much of Trump but I like his antics and telling some truths, for a change. But I would not discount he, maybe unwillingly maybe willingly, being a Clinton plant. Why no Sanders coverage? He makes "anti-woman" statements (or had written I guess,) has NRA support, and avowed "leftist" sentiments. But ALL press, even supposed "right-wing" ignore him. And ignore that fake-Indian broad who, I think (Democrats don't do debates or ads) is still running? Why?

She'll win because it's her turn.  She bowed out to Obama, showed her support by being in the administration.  His voters will vote for her. 

There is no Republican who can win the hearts of the entire country, but Trump is the best bet, even though he's not really a Republican at heart and he's certainly no tea-bagger. 

[WhiteCrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP6S3KE2DaI

Is there an English translated version available?

(smiley face playing straight man for Jackstar)

[Quick Karl]

Stop it you two or no dessert.

Sir,

With all due reverence, please cease associating me with that fucking lunatic mental case.

Respectfully,

Karl

[Quick Karl]

I think he believes much as they do, but he wants all the play blocks for himself.  I think Trump is a man who wants power and more money.  He finds the right wing easier to control, easier to parrot what they want, etc.  That's why he's a Republican.  I don't think, though, that he's a bible thumper and he'd be the first to suggest an abortion if some woman in his family had problems.  He's an opportunist.

You just described every scumbag in DC - so what's your point?

[CornyCrow]

My point is that he's an entertaining distraction.  A Democrat will win, and it will probably be Hillary. 

Our politics in this country are horrible.  We cannot mature as a nation with these elections that are almost always for sale.  A big step to clear this up would be election finance reform, but that's not even an issue.

We are increasingly moving to someone else's agenda, and this has been going on probably since Eisenhower's 'military industrial complex' which was so confusing when he coined that term. 

The population cannot unite on anything that will give meaningful change.  I'd recommend that everyone look out for number 1. 

[aldousburbank]

My point is that he's an entertaining distraction.  A Democrat will win, and it will probably be Hillary. 

Our politics in this country are horrible.  We cannot mature as a nation with these elections that are almost always for sale.  A big step to clear this up would be election finance reform, but that's not even an issue.

I'm nit saying Trump can't be bought, but he's probably too expensive.

[Jackstar]

His voters will vote for her. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnh2H8ee4nw

Do you think the entire fiasco was pre-arranged or that he managed to purchase the questions from some employee? 

Personally, I have no way of knowing--but I am leaning towards "100% pre-arrangement." Why wouldn't it be?

But irregardless of whether the debate is as staged as an episode of The Casino, or as staged as the Super Bowl, it is a certain fact that the event was on a stage. If he didn't have the questions given to him, he got them some other way. It is the obvious play to make. There's only about a hundred ways a millionaire could have made that happen, how many ways would there be for a billionaire television mogul to make it happen? Why would he have not?

[Yorkshire pud]

Sir,

With all due reverence, please cease associating me with that fucking lunatic mental case.

Respectfully,

Karl

Rofl!  This cunt wants to go out in a firefight and I'm the mental case? Yeah right. You'd shit yourself if someone shouted boo. Wanker.

[Jackstar]

I'm the mental case? Yeah right.

You haven't been able to pass the Turing Test for at least nineteen months. Go find your mother--try Manchester.

[CornyCrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnh2H8ee4nw


Personally, I have no way of knowing--but I am leaning towards "100% pre-arrangement." Why wouldn't it be?

. . .

You might be right - again.  Do you see why Art says you guys are smart?  I just found this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/on-trump-murdoch-has-lost-control-of-ailes-fox.html

You needn't read it, but here's a paragraph -

"Shortly after Trump jumped into the race, he had a "2-to-3 hour" private lunch with Ailes, sources told me. Last month, Fox gave Trump more airtime than any other candidate. And, according to sources, the channel's personalities are taking an active role in aiding Trump, both on- and off-camera. One source explained that Ailes has instructed The Five co-host Eric Bolling to defend Trump on air. "

So, perhaps the entire thing was just to give him air time.  Maybe he is a spoiler the way Nader was for Al Gore. 

[Yorkshire pud]

You might be right - again.  Do you see why Art says you guys are smart?  I just found this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/on-trump-murdoch-has-lost-control-of-ailes-fox.html

You needn't read it, but here's a paragraph -

"Shortly after Trump jumped into the race, he had a "2-to-3 hour" private lunch with Ailes, sources told me. Last month, Fox gave Trump more airtime than any other candidate. And, according to sources, the channel's personalities are taking an active role in aiding Trump, both on- and off-camera. One source explained that Ailes has instructed The Five co-host Eric Bolling to defend Trump on air. "

So, perhaps the entire thing was just to give him air time.  Maybe he is a spoiler the way Nader was for Al Gore.

Murdoch influencing the electorate to suit his own ends? Who knew?

[BellBoy]

Murdoch influencing the electorate to suit his own ends? Who knew?

[FightTheFuture]

If the evil genius, Rupert Murdoch, has intentions of aiding Mr. Trump, he sure hasn`t conveyed that message to his troops. Most people affiliated with FNC despises Trump, and make absolutely no secret of it.

[Yorkshire pud]

If the evil genius, Rupert Murdoch, has intentions of aiding Mr. Trump, he sure hasn`t conveyed that message to his troops. Most people affiliated with FNC despises Trump, and make absolutely no secret of it.

Murdoch's MO in the UK is to divide and conquor. Why change that for the USA?

[Quick Karl]

...irregardless...

Irregardless? C'mon man, you're slipping...

[Quick Karl]

You haven't been able to pass the Turing Test for at least nineteen months. Go find your mother--try Manchester.

[Yorkshire pud]

Why are you laughing in fake appreciation? You don't know who Turing was.

[paladin1991]

Why are you laughing in fake appreciation? You don't know who Turing was.

He was English.  He was gay.  Amiright?  Toss me a cookie, wanker.  And be a good lad, run out and get me some Lamb Vindaloo, rice, some extra naan (plain) and some foam to wash it down with.  Lamb Vindaloo, the national dish of England, I've heard tell.
 
Oh, there will be a dollar in it for you. 

[CornyCrow]

Murdoch influencing the electorate to suit his own ends? Who knew?

Oddly enough, in that article it also says Murdoch told Ailes to dump Trump, but Ailes said he would not, he's supporting him. 

This is SO duplicitous that I don't know WHAT to think. 

[Yorkshire pud]

He was English.  He was gay.  Amiright?  Toss me a cookie, wanker.  And be a good lad, run out and get me some Lamb Vindaloo, rice, some extra naan (plain) and some foam to wash it down with.  Lamb Vindaloo, the national dish of England, I've heard tell.
 
Oh, there will be a dollar in it for you. 

Turing:

He also contributed to shortening WW2 by at least two probably more like five years. But you knew that, just it's easier to pick on his sexual orientation eh?

[paladin1991]

Turing:

He also contributed to shortening WW2 by at least two probably more like five years. But you knew that, just it's easier to pick on his sexual orientation eh?

Don't be cross Yorkie, it was bad of me to focus on his being British, wasn't it? 

[Yorkshire pud]

Don't be cross Yorkie, it was bad of me to focus on his being British, wasn't it?

Well, look at it like this; no-one as clever as him was around in the States. Oh well.

[paladin1991]

Well, look at it like this; no-one as clever as him was around in the States. Oh well.

Good thing he was there.  Too bad the British 'system' prosecuted him for his deviance.

[Yorkshire pud]

Good thing he was there.  Too bad the British 'system' prosecuted him for his deviance.

Absolutely agree. It was disgraceful what happened to him.

[albrecht]

Good thing he was there.  Too bad the British 'system' prosecuted him for his deviance.

Some Poles (Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski, and Jerzy Różycki) were important and influential in breaking Enigma early on but 1) they weren't homosexual and 2) they were Poles so less known now, especially in popular culture where Turing's sexual choices are more important than his very valuable effort to the Allied war effort and computation theory.

Gordon Welchman, who became head of Hut 6 (GC&CS) at Bletchley Park:

"Hut 6 Ultra would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military version of the commercial Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use"

[albrecht]

I like how Trump embarrasses career politicians and shakes things up, and is only guy who will talk about the crimes/costs of the open-border and illegals (although he is soft on illegals,) but I still am very hesitant and smell a rat. Especially after the Fox News attempt to derail. I know Murdoch is a Clitonista*, or at least was in the past. And Trump has also given to the Clintons (though admittedly many businessmen and corporations give to "both sides" or whoever is power due to the corrupt system.) He could be a spoiler, especially if he goes 3rd party or, somehow, wins the nomination and ensures a Billary presidency. Despite her crimes, scandals, etc she has the media, Hollyweird, and banker support and has core groups who will vote for her, or the Democrat, no matter what.

* http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/

[Yorkshire pud]

Some Poles (Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski, and Jerzy Różycki) were important and influential in breaking Enigma early on but 1) they weren't homosexual and 2) they were Poles so less known now, especially in popular culture where Turing's sexual choices are more important than his very valuable effort to the Allied war effort and computation theory.

Utter bollox. Been to Bletchley Park? I have. Let me know when you have and have a more than a smattering of the story.

Gordon Welchman, who became head of Hut 6 (GC&CS) at Bletchley Park:

"Hut 6 Ultra would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military version of the commercial Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use"

No-one is disputing the Polish work, least of all the then Station X boffins, but over the war, 10000 worked there; they did far more than break Enigma. Heard of Tommy Flowers? Look him up.

And dispite what Hollywood might like us to think it was the Royal Navy and a teenage Welsh sailor who retrieved the code book for Enigma.

[albrecht]

Utter bollox. Been to Bletchley Park? I have. Let me know when you have and have a more than a smattering of the story.

No-one is disputing the Polish work, least of all the then Station X boffins, but over the war, 10000 worked there; they did far more than break Enigma. Heard of Tommy Flowers? Look him up.

And dispite what Hollywood might like us to think it was the Royal Navy and a teenage Welsh sailor who retrieved the code book for Enigma.

I said "popular culture," not the museum or in history books. But even you constantly point out his homosexuality over his accomplishments with regard to Enigma or computational theory. And I guarantee if you ask the "man on the street" they will have not have heard of the Polish researchers and, sadly, probably not even Turning. But if they have they will likely speak about his homosexuality, "persecution", conviction, and suicide first as that is what is promoted in the media and movies this days because sexuality, the more bizarre or deviant the better, is the number one, most important trait of a person; not their occupation, legacy, work, research, etc but who they screw and how they do it.

Back to Trump:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-2016/index.html?eref=rss_politics
"That showed such weakness, the way he was taken away by two young women"
Possibly offending women, black lives matter agitators, and going after Sanders at all once. Classic.