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Started by yumyumtree, June 18, 2015, 04:24:32 PM

albrecht

Quote from: CornyCrow on August 24, 2015, 03:17:33 PM
I think all we have to do is listen to the folks in Ca and in the rest of our West.  It's gone before the point of being numbers in a study.  Again, I believe it's man made, but even if it is a natural occurrence, we are definitely a contributing factor to the severity of this mess. 

When people are dying, and they are, maybe the proper thing would be to react to stop it - as much as we are capable of doing so.  If some zealots changed some numbers or not might not be the most important issue right now.  It seems as though it's no excuse for not acting.
Sure, we are responsible a lot and nobody, especially me, likes to see these fires. For one thing A LOT more people living in areas susceptible to forest fires (so not paying attention to them until now,) improper forest and brush management (not allowing ANY fires, going away from fire lanes, not clearing underbrush, etc,) accidental -or worse- activity by people: discarding cigarettes, welding, off-roading, campfires not put out, arson, methlabs, etc.) Complaining about the heat isn't going to put out these fires we need more funding, people, equipment, training, etc.

And less "rules" during an emergency; during our fire for example one of the DC-10s couldn't fly because the pilot didn't have enough clock-time left for his shift- they were taken up by flying the plane here. Then loading the fire retardant in was a problem because the systems were different at the airport. So it was not used and then flew off to fight another fire. A lot of wasted fuel and time, for no use. And so on.

Unfortunately once fires are out the problem is quickly forgotten about and so....

what has Trump said on this subject?

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Quick Karl on August 24, 2015, 02:46:20 PM
Reading your rant is like reading something a whiny 12-yr wrote after his mommy sent him to bed without desert for being an asshole at the dinner table...

Are you on welfare or disability?

Well done for demonstrating what idiots know about wit. If you're gonna try and sound smart (not your natural habitat, I know) you have to be a bit punchier than that. That's just cookie cutter obloquy - the sort of thing your snuggle-buddy Trump does so 'well'.

In answer to your question, neither.

Now, let me hazard a guess about you. Raccoon anus for din-dins again tonight?

CornyCrow

Quote from: albrecht on August 24, 2015, 03:37:39 PM
. . .
what has Trump said on this subject?
There are so many people beating drums against Trump that a person could feel his views might be sometimes misrepresented, but everything I have read seems not to bode well for the planet if he's elected:

A couple websites, Ontheissues.org and ClimateProgress, quote candidates on a wide variety of policy matters. Here’s how Trump really is totally backing the GOP party line when it comes to the accelerating war between capitalism and global warming :

    Trump warns Obama: “EPA is an impediment to both growth and jobs.”
    He discounts the “negative impact of natural gas, oil, and coal.”
    Loves Big Oil: “No Cap-and-Tax: Oil is this country’s lifeblood”
    “Jobs will slump until our lifeblood, oil, is cheap again.”
    Criticized Obama for “the billions he pissed away on ‘green energy’ failures”
    Trump has a “vendetta against wind energy,” even fought “the planned construction of an offshore wind array in Scotland,” because it “would impact the views from a golf course he was building.”
    Salon.com warns: Trump’s “golf courses are environmental disasters.”

above, from Market Watch 8/25

Quote from: CornyCrow on August 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
There are so many people beating drums against Trump that a person could feel his views might be sometimes misrepresented, but everything I have read seems not to bode well for the planet if he's elected:

A couple websites, Ontheissues.org and ClimateProgress, quote candidates on a wide variety of policy matters. Here’s how Trump really is totally backing the GOP party line when it comes to the accelerating war between capitalism and global warming :

    Trump warns Obama: “EPA is an impediment to both growth and jobs.”
    He discounts the “negative impact of natural gas, oil, and coal.”
    Loves Big Oil: “No Cap-and-Tax: Oil is this country’s lifeblood”
    “Jobs will slump until our lifeblood, oil, is cheap again.”
    Criticized Obama for “the billions he pissed away on ‘green energy’ failures”
    Trump has a “vendetta against wind energy,” even fought “the planned construction of an offshore wind array in Scotland,” because it “would impact the views from a golf course he was building.”
    Salon.com warns: Trump’s “golf courses are environmental disasters.”

above, from Market Watch 8/25

One thing's for sure.  Trump knows how to market a product to his target audience.

CornyCrow

Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on August 25, 2015, 11:28:28 AM
One thing's for sure.  Trump knows how to market a product to his target audience.
Yeah.  The political advisors are probably going bananas in trying to isolate what he has so they can imbue future candidates with it. 

I fell for Perot's bs years back.  He ended up being right, but I suspect that he would have tried to be dictator of the US, if given the chance.  I don't think Trump is far away from that, himself. 

All we really need is to get corporate money out of the political system so decisions are made to keep jobs at home, etc.  Right now decisions are not being made in the best interests of the country.  I think that's a lot to do with why people are following Trump, but just electing a president is a temporary thing.  We need to change the system to take money out of politics.  I think most people agree with that but our politicians pretend they can't hear us.  They are trapped, having to take that money.  If Trump were honest, he'd want to finance elections differently.  I don't think he's honest.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: albrecht on August 24, 2015, 03:37:39 PM
Sure, we are responsible a lot and nobody, especially me, likes to see these fires. For one thing A LOT more people living in areas susceptible to forest fires (so not paying attention to them until now,) improper forest and brush management (not allowing ANY fires, going away from fire lanes, not clearing underbrush, etc,) accidental -or worse- activity by people: discarding cigarettes, welding, off-roading, campfires not put out, arson, methlabs, etc.) Complaining about the heat isn't going to put out these fires we need more funding, people, equipment, training, etc.

And less "rules" during an emergency; during our fire for example one of the DC-10s couldn't fly because the pilot didn't have enough clock-time left for his shift- they were taken up by flying the plane here. Then loading the fire retardant in was a problem because the systems were different at the airport. So it was not used and then flew off to fight another fire. A lot of wasted fuel and time, for no use. And so on.

Unfortunately once fires are out the problem is quickly forgotten about and so....

what has Trump said on this subject?

Sadly, because of politics, people no longer seem to realize that there is a difference between environmentalism and conservationism. The politics can no longer be separated from the issue preventing pragmatic conservationism and as a result the inmates are running the asylum in regards to the environment. Take the anti-nuclear energy movement of the 1970's. Their movement interfered with the normal technological development of nuclear energy. Had they not meddled and got tons of regulations and controls put in place we'd have a planet running on modern safe thorium-cycle reactors and we'd have saved titanic amounts of carbon dioxide from going into the atmosphere over the last three decades. Environmentalism contributes to environmental problems, it does not solve them.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: SredniVashtar on August 25, 2015, 03:14:46 AM
Well done for demonstrating what idiots know about wit. If you're gonna try and sound smart (not your natural habitat, I know) you have to be a bit punchier than that. That's just cookie cutter obloquy - the sort of thing your snuggle-buddy Trump does so 'well'.

In answer to your question, neither.

Now, let me hazard a guess about you. Raccoon anus for din-dins again tonight?


It is good sport trying in engage Qunt Karl in an intellectual joust; but I always feel it's unfair doing battle with the unarmed. He only has very basic thoughts, a) Hates women with a passion b) hates homosexuals-at least on here, I think it's self loathing {see d}  c) loves guns-now they do get him excited d) loves men with beards.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on August 25, 2015, 01:07:44 PM

It is good sport trying in engage Qunt Karl in an intellectual joust; but I always feel it's unfair doing battle with the unarmed. He only has very basic thoughts, a) Hates women with a passion b) hates homosexuals-at least on here, I think it's self loathing {see d}  c) loves guns-now they do get him excited d) loves men with beards.

I wish someone would explain how it's possible to admire Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, and Phil Robertson in equal measure.  It's hard to imagine those three peas in the same pod.

Eddie Coyle

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on August 25, 2015, 01:21:37 PM
I wish someone would explain how it's possible to admire Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, and Phil Robertson in equal measure.

   Pages 328-341.

 

starrmtn001

For you Trump supporters, the live Iowa Rally is about to start.

LIVE: Trump Rally in Iowa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is6NqQFT9tA

Bradsmith313

Just watched Trump throw Univision reporter Jorge Ramos out of a press conference. Crass. Unprofessional. Is that the kind of person some want as president?

Hell no.

aldousburbank

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 05:50:13 PM
Just watched Trump throw Univision reporter Jorge Ramos out of a press conference. Crass. Unprofessional. Is that the kind of person some want as president?

Hell no.
Yes. Totally!
http://youtu.be/tQzSUx-eLDc


aldousburbank

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 06:13:50 PM
So, you're fine with this sort of disgusting behavior?
No I am not. The guy from Univision was being a dick and deserved to be tossed.

albrecht

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 06:13:50 PM
So, you're fine with this sort of disgusting behavior?
No, and that is why Trump has his people kick him out.

Bradsmith313

No. He was doing his job.

aldousburbank

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
No. He was doing his job.
Dudes' job was to stand up out of order and meekly go on like a wuss until he was tossed? I thought he was there to report on something. Maybe you prefer this type of treatment of the press?
http://youtu.be/-6QdXF3vk0s

Quick Karl

Quote from: aldousburbank on August 25, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
Yes. Totally!
http://youtu.be/tQzSUx-eLDc

You should be awarded a Super-PhD in common-sense from every University on the planet.

aldousburbank

Quote from: Quick Karl on August 25, 2015, 06:35:53 PM
You should be awarded a Super-PhD in common-sense from every University on the planet.
Usually I just get called an asshole. I'm good with that.

Quick Karl

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on August 25, 2015, 01:21:37 PM
I wish someone would explain how it's possible to admire Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, and Phil Robertson in equal measure.  It's hard to imagine those three peas in the same pod.

That is because your mind is too feeble and effeminate. You are the kind of blistering fucking idiot, along with your other pansy friends here, that would support the DISASTER of the status quo, calling yourselves "intelligent" for doing so, because you resent any male human that isn't a fucking faggot.

Quick Karl

Quote from: aldousburbank on August 25, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
Usually I just get called an asshole. I'm good with that.

No, they reserve that for me, and I am proud of it, considering the sources.

starrmtn001

Quote from: aldousburbank on August 25, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
Yes. Totally!
http://youtu.be/tQzSUx-eLDc
Wow.  Someone is running for president who actually HAS a backbone.  About damn time!!!

Bradsmith313

Oh, I've been accosted on the job. Last time, I had to deal with Oath Keeper gun-thugs and bullies. Like Trump, they objected to being asked questions they didn't want to answer. Myself and a reporter from the Southern Poverty Law Center were harassed. 

Quick Karl

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 06:42:52 PM
Oh, I've been accosted on the job. Last time, I had to deal with Oath Keeper gun-thugs and bullies. Like Trump, they objected to being asked questions they didn't want to answer. Myself and a reporter from the Southern Poverty Law Center were harassed.

They should have shot you.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 05:50:13 PM
Just watched Trump throw Univision reporter Jorge Ramos out of a press conference. Crass. Unprofessional. Is that the kind of person some want as president?

Hell no.

Ramos was pontificating without being called on. That gets you ejected from press conferences, no matter who's conducting them.

Bradsmith313

Quote from: Quick Karl on August 25, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
They should have shot you.
And that's why those cowards shouldn't have guns . . . .

Bradsmith313

Ramos has been taking Trump to task over his views. Trump, as with anyone who stands up to him, acts like a rabid animal.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 06:52:59 PM
Ramos has been taking Trump to task over his views. Trump, as with anyone who stands up to him, acts like a rabid animal.

Ramos also spoke out of turn which is unfair to the other journalists at a press conference and then Trump let Ramos back in later and they exchanged for several minutes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/25/trump_vs_jorge_ramos_on_birthright_citizenship_wall_building_a_building_thats_95_stories_tall_more_difficult.html

aldousburbank

Quote from: Bradsmith313 on August 25, 2015, 06:52:59 PM
Ramos has been taking Trump to task over his views. Trump, as with anyone who stands up to him, acts like a rabid animal.
Ramos' little performance was not clever or aimed at getting a response. It was a lame play at getting 86ed. This is not good journalism.

Bradsmith313

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/politics/david-duke-donald-trump-immigration/
Another reason to say no to Trump . . . .
Of course, Duke is still wary of Trump's "Jewish" connections.



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