Time to consider "Worst Administration Ever"?

[FightTheFuture]

I'm not surprised.  Things like evidence and facts consistently elude right-set participants in this board.  What do you possibly hope to gain by opposing the reality of rising temperatures and rising seas?  Will you be on your roof during the next hurricane  induced flood giving Al Gore the finger?  More power to you.  Gore's a schmuck but the science is true.

The fact is, the earth`s temperatures have been warming ever so slightly overall since the last mini ice-age (1700`s). Nothing to do with CO2, and especially nothing to with any CO2 that human activity has caused. You do realize that CO2 constitutes a whopping .04% of the atmosphere, don`t you? And according to DOE numbers, man contributes to 5% of that total. Are you really saying that 5% of .04% (.002%) of the atmosphere is causing the planet to warm?

Perhaps we should look more closely at the oceans, especially the PACIFIC, seeing how its much larger than the Atlantic. The oceans have 1000x the heat capacity of the atmosphere, which s why we have nice cozy temperatures ideal for human existence. With this is mind, you may find it interesting to note that the pacific temps have recently started to cool after a decades long warming trend. This according to the latest Pacific Decadal Oscillation http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Bastardi_2.gif

Frankly, I , and many like me, are far  more concerned with the inevitable coming natural, cyclical cooling trend than anything else. When the Atlantic flips -- and it will -- following the Pacific, as it always does, watch for the return of long, harsh winters, the kind we saw before the last warming trend started in the late 70`s (and i`m old enough o remember them!).

[NowhereInTime]

Climate change is caused by Indians eating too much stinky curry. So in keeping with the theme of this thread, here's some links to some op-eds and British tabloids that support my position / pet conspiracy.

Yeeech.  Curry.    This is a pet conspiracy worth having no matter how preposterous.  I really, really hate curry. 

[analog kid]

Yeeech.  Curry.    This is a pet conspiracy worth having no matter how preposterous.  I really, really hate curry. 

It's stinky and a real problem for everyone IMO. 

[Yorkshire pud]

It depends on the curry; it's like saying "I don't like wine"...There are loads of different types and flavours of both. If you're not into spicy stuff, a mild chicken korma might go down well...Trust me on this, a well made one is a joy. 

[PB the Deplorable]

I did search...

and what did I find?  A conspiracy to corner the market on carbon cap and trade?  No, I found Gore doing two things conservatives always chide liberals for not doing:
1) using a market based solution to fix a societal problem and
2) putting his money where his mouth is.

Even when he does things the way you want, it still isn't good enough. 
But please, continue to believe man-made climate change is a myth and pour as much carbon into our skies and oceans as you would like.  You won't suffer for it (probably) but your children will.  That's their problem.

It's nice that Al Gore plants trees or whatever it is he does to 'earn' 'carbon credits', but that is not a 'market based' anything.  'The Market' is the efficient allocation of resources based on things like price, scarcity, risk, and profit.  Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.  Jacking up taxes on energy, trading 'carbon credits', planting trees, and all the other schemes related to this are not 'market based solutions', they are government based solutions. 

Now these may or may not be good ideas, and people can discuss the extent the government may or may not need to step in to regulate energy and tree planting - the point here is that its not a 'market based solution',  it's just the opposite.  I think it's important to get the terms right, or there is little chance of having an intelligent conversation.


As far as Al Gore 'putting his money where his mouth is' - Al Gore got that money by being involved in setting up this cap and trade system in the first place, then profiting from it.  Massively.  His business ethics would make a bankster blush.  Al Gore may well be the biggest phony in modern American politics, and that's quite a statement.  That's 'his' money alright - he 'earned' it in the same fashion the worst of the rip-off CEO's 'earn' their money.  I don't understand how people defend this.


What is really going on is the people whose ultimate goal is a one-world gulag run by them are trying to take a giant step towards that with this man-made global cooling global warming climate change crap.  The fact is, we are still coming out of the last Ice Age, climate is cyclical, and it is controlled by the sun.  One volcano dumps more carbon into the atmosphere that all the economic activity on Earth in a year.  And look at how many volcanos blow every year. 

[Sardondi]

Remember the old SNL game skit?: "Que Es Muy Malo?" Well, that's a literal question now between Nixon and Obama. And we have a delicious way to test our youths' knowledge of what Chief Executive has committed which acts. The Administration Scandal Game: Nixon or Obama?

[b_dubb]

http://video.pbs.org/video/1468710007

[bateman]

OBAMA: Well -- yeah, but I think it's important -- for example, this latest revelation that was made, what was learned was that NSA had inadvertently, accidentally pulled the e-mails of some Americans in violation of their own rules, because of technical problems that they didn't realize.

Link

OH, BUT WAIT

Some National Security Agency analysts deliberately ignored restrictions on their authority to spy on Americans multiple times in the past decade, contradicting Obama administration officials’ and lawmakers’ statements that no willful violations occurred.

Link

How interesting!

[PB the Deplorable]

Small, limited, government

[Sardondi]

...this latest revelation that was made, what was learned was that NSA had inadvertently, accidentally pulled the e-mails of some Americans in violation of their own rules, because of technical problems that they didn't realize.

You know, the first position was that there were no intercepts at all - that NSA hadn't pulled anything they weren't supposed to. Well, that whopper didn't work so they go to Fallback Position #1, which is "accident". Yeah, right.

No one even makes mention any more of the countless "erroneous" statements which are issued by the Obama Administration daily. It's because the Obama Administration is, quite literally, incredible. And to file a story saying that the President and his people have misled us about something has become so routine that we expect it. "Dog bites man" is not news; "Administration lies" is the status quo. That's so sad. I don't think he's even considered that to scores of millions of Americans his historical reputation will be "Worst President in History".

[PB the Deplorable]

... I don't think he's even considered that to scores of millions of Americans his historical reputation will be "Worst President in History".

I don't think he intends to leave office when his term is over

[Juan]

I don't either.  I've pondered what would happen.  New president is elected, sworn in, orders the Secret Service or the Army to throw Obama out of the Oval Office.  Do they do it?

[stevesh]

I don't either.  I've pondered what would happen.  New president is elected, sworn in, orders the Secret Service or the Army to throw Obama out of the Oval Office.  Do they do it?

Sorry, but you're straying into Alex Jones territory here. How many times did we hear this about GWB ? Even Obama wouldn't try to stay in office after January 20, 2017.

[Juan]

I don't own a bullhorn.

[bateman]

At least some Democrats are being intellectually honest about this.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/22/democrat-disgusted-with-president-obama1

[onan]

I agree, it is refreshing to see honest criticism regarding the NSA.

But this is one of those (all too many) subjects that takes quite a bit of explaining. What I find bothersome with this bitch (not that it isn't legitimate) is that it is so short sighted.

Privatizing government work, smaller government, and decreasing government expenditures have been the mantra of anti-government talking heads for a long time.

So now we have an estimate of  "854,000 people with top-secret clearances, 265,000 are contractors."

Yet I don't hear any acknowledgement of what was the worst administration and the implementation of contractors.

Yeah Obama deserves a great deal of shit. But I find it odd that there is so much silence prior to his time in office.


http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/national-security-inc/

It is also a system in which contractors are playing an ever more important role. The Post estimates that out of 854,000 people with top-secret clearances, 265,000 are contractors. There is no better example of the government's dependency on them than at the CIA, the one place in government that exists to do things overseas that no other U.S. agency is allowed to do.

Private contractors working for the CIA have recruited spies in Iraq, paid bribes for information in Afghanistan and protected CIA directors visiting world capitals. Contractors have helped snatch a suspected extremist off the streets of Italy, interrogated detainees once held at secret prisons abroad and watched over defectors holed up in the Washington suburbs. At Langley headquarters, they analyze terrorist networks. At the agency's training facility in Virginia, they are helping mold a new generation of American spies.

Through the federal budget process, the George W. Bush administration and Congress made it much easier for the CIA and other agencies involved in counterterrorism to hire more contractors than civil servants. They did this to limit the size of the permanent workforce, to hire employees more quickly than the sluggish federal process allows and because they thought - wrongly, it turned out - that contractors would be less expensive.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Privatizing government work, smaller government, and decreasing government expenditures have been the mantra of anti-government talking heads for a long time.

So now we have an estimate of  "854,000 people with top-secret clearances, 265,000 are contractors."

Yet I don't hear any acknowledgement of what was the worst administration and the implementation of contractors.

Yeah Obama deserves a great deal of shit. But I find it odd that there is so much silence prior to his time in office...

When people talk about small limited government, they don't mean keep it growing and expanding, just do it with outsourced workers.  They mean actual eliminations of areas the government should never have gotten involved with in the first place.  Which includes most of what it does, or tries to do.   In this example, it would be ending the recording and keeping every phone call, photographing the front and back of every piece of mail and keeping that, recording every move made on the internet and keeping that, etc.  It means stop spying on us, not outsourcing it.

As for silence prior to Obamas time in office, Conservatives criticized Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II on many many occasions - the latter 3 more than Reagan.  By the end of Bush II I considered him the worst President ever.  Now I consider him 2nd worst.

[onan]

When people talk about small limited government, they don't mean keep it growing and expanding, just do it with outsourced workers.  They mean actual eliminations of areas the government should never have gotten involved with in the first place.  Which includes most of what it does, or tries to do.   In this example, it would be ending the recording and keeping every phone call, photographing the front and back of every piece of mail and keeping that, recording every move made on the internet and keeping that, etc.  It means stop spying on us, not outsourcing it.

No argument from me on this.

[ayala]

Easily Obama

[Unquenchable Angst]

Obama's accomplishments?
Thoroughly polarizing the American people, following the Alensky guide to destruction of America, Hiding his total paper trail from everyone, proving that anybody can become president, thoroughly implementing the CFR/neo-CONvict foreign policy, winning the Nobel prize for Peace while being a CFR war-mongering whore. Providing Bread and Circuses to more people than any Caesar could dream of. Now embarking to throw the stockpile of military ordinance in a dubious act of narcissistic orgy of death. Destroy the military by ridding it of generals and admirals that want to do 'right'. Managing to surround himself with more incompetence than he himself reflects. Managing to avoid assassination by being part of the CFR/CIA worldview plan so far and having a VP that has other psychological  disorders than mere narcissistic personality disorders. Face it Obama rimmer's, -He is a puppet and a stooge and you are the lackies and useful idiots of darkness and despair of an infinite evil  into a darkage descent into a living hell of totalitarian control over mankind. It really is disturbing to see so many well intentioned people to get sucked into this Democrat-Republican ,Liberal-Neo-Con charade.

[b_dubb]

Yeah Obama deserves a great deal of shit. But I find it odd that there is so much silence prior to his time in office.

I would argue that Sonny Boy (George W Bush) is the worst ever. He pushed the economy over the edge. Obama is just trying to play catch up with the downward spiral that Bush started. Obama isn't doing enough though. A glaring example is the Joint Strike Fighter program. The most expensive plane program ever during a time of austerity. Should've been cancelled

[Sardondi]

I would argue that Sonny Boy (George W Bush) is the worst ever. He pushed the economy over the edge. Obama is just trying to play catch up with the downward spiral that Bush started. Obama isn't doing enough though. A glaring example is the Joint Strike Fighter program. The most expensive plane program ever during a time of austerity. Should've been cancelled

He has plenty to answer for, particularly in runaway spending. But budget is a Congressional imperative.

Otherwise there's no comparison between Bush and Obama. America has become a virtual police state under Obama. He rules by executive fiat, assisted in his unconstitutional exercise of raw power by a complicit Attorney General. And you forget as well that Bush was opposed every day by the majority of the mainstream media. Obama on the other hand has been cushioned and built up and supported by a lapdog media. The nearest to how Obama has been deified and supported by the press is the 13-year reign of FDR, in which he was a virtual king. But even he had at least noticeable opposition in the media - Obama has virtually no bad press outside of FNN.

[b_dubb]

And you forget as well that Bush was opposed every day by the majority of the mainstream media.

Like fuck he was. Comedy Central canceled "That's My Bush" because after 9/11 it was all "how dare you make fun of the president". He got a pass for YEARS.

He got off easy.  And where the fuck is that yellow came uranium. He and Condi should be in jail

[bateman]

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." -Barack Obama, 2007

"If the President takes us to war without Congressional approval, I will call for his impeachment." -Joe Biden, 2007

[Eddie Coyle]

    I nominate Polk.

[Sardondi]

Obama gives cynicism a bad name: we've told Assad, "Bubbala, don't worry. We're not going to blow up anything important. Just a few short, sharp shocks so we can look tough. Don't worry, we're still buds."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324591204579039011328308776.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Ah, I remember back in the days when Candidate Obama said unilateral military action by the US without Congressional authorization was an impeachable offense. http://www.salon.com/2011/03/18/libya_2/ Throughout American history any President this brazenly hypocritical would have been savaged by the media. But not when the entire mainstream media is part of the Ministry of Truth.

Remind me, how many holders of the Nobel Peace Prize have ordered unilateral attacks on any nation?

[Juan]

It reminds me of Clinton shooting the cruise missiles at the Iraqi intelligence office - at night, when no one was at work, except maybe the custodial crew.

[Eddie Coyle]

It reminds me of Clinton shooting the cruise missiles at the Iraqi intelligence office - at night, when no one was at work, except maybe the custodial crew.

       6/26/93. I believe a custodian was killed. Avenging the "assassination" threat vs Bush 41 that was alleged to have occurred in April, 1993. Exercise in futility by Saddam and Clinton.

[Yorkshire pud]

Remind me, how many holders of the Nobel Peace Prize have ordered unilateral attacks on any nation?

The Firm - Star Trekkin'

WE COME IN PEACE, SHOOT TO KILL....

[PB the Deplorable]

Is there still a point to the Obama Administration?  Was there ever?

Anyone know what his foreign policy doctrine is?  Or his plans to get the economy going? 

Nothing fixed or even being addressed, National Debt up $6-7 trillion (and climbing), are we getting anything for that?