Time to consider "Worst Administration Ever"?

[Sardondi]

...Hey, I live in Connecticut, Country Club Republicans are still the rule of the day here.

And they absolutely detest what Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan did to their party (without which the GOP would have been politically irrelevant in the last almost 50 years). They want the good old, old, ollllllld days of Henry Cabot Lodge and Nellie Rockefeller; when 400 families ran the US, and the right monopolies (the ones they were in) were at least good for them if not the country; when all those Bible thumping baby worshipers brought the CC Reps their highballs like they were born to do, and then left the room to allow them to think they were deciding the fate of America. That's the Country Club Republican

The Eastern Establishment of the Old Boys of Choate, Exeter and Andover still run the GOP. And the country for that matter.

[stevesh]

The Eastern Establishment of the Old Boys of Choate, Exeter and Andover still run the GOP. And the country for that matter.

My niece just graduated from Andover. Elite gravy train for Steve ?

[Sardondi]

My niece just graduated from Andover. Elite gravy train for Steve ?

Niece? Oh, what has happened to the world?!

[Sardondi]

Uh-oh. It looks like the Trayvon matter has about used up its usefulness as a distraction (as it was intended, but others are being sought and submitted as we speak). Today we get back to looking at the smörgåsbord of scandals connected to the Obama Administration. First up is the IRS Political Abuse scandal. It seems a retiring IRS lawyer, Carter C. Hull, is naming names, and will testify that the cunning plan to target conservative organizations for tax scrutiny was born in...IRS headquarters in Washington, DC. [urlhttp://dailycaller.com/2013/07/17/irs-lawyer-says-scandal-was-overseen-by-d-c-names-names/url]

It looks like the lowest possible source of the scheme to politicize the IRS and aid the Obama campaign was the Obama-appointee William Wilkins, IRS Chief Counsel, and, (quelle surprise!) Lois Lerner, head of exempt organizations office. Yes, the scheme didn't originate, as has been brayed by the IRS and White House spokesman, in Cincinnati, but rather in IRS Headquarters at the corner of 10th St NW and Pennsylvania Ave. Any bets on how long it takes the origin of the scheme to move 6 blocks down Pennsylvania Avenue? A day? A week? A month?

"When" is the only action available, since Vegas isn't putting a line up on whether the conspiracy will ever be connected to the White House....

[West of the Rockies]

Out of curiosity, is Carter Hull's political affiliation known?  If he is a "lifelong Republican", can we trust him?  Would we trust him more if he were a "lifelong Democrat" or an Independent?  I ask because it always seems to come down to this in this forum:  Conservative = good...  Liberal = bad   OR   Liberal = good... Conservative = bad (according to one's mindset).

Look, when a Democrat does something stupid or illegal, I want to see repercussions.  I'm glad John Edwards is out of politics because his personal integrity is pretty clearly shot.  If he indeed got $400 haircuts (as one of the internet memes claimed), then he sounds like a true knucklehead elitist.  (However, I VERY much doubt that he's the only politician to get $400 haircuts.  I daresay we can all point to individual examples and anecdotal evidence to attack "the other side".)  I am dismayed and disappointed in Obama's use/misuse of the NSA.  I think John Kerry and Al Gore are less than wildly charismatic.

But it does piss me off also when a conservative does or says something stupid, and the Republican response is either:
"He's not a true conservative" (GWB?) OR crickets.  How about Tennessee politician Scott DesJarlaid, who is very pro-life but urged his lover to get an abortion?  He got reelected. 

See, individual examples are very easy to conjure up.  Systemic corruption is more difficult to spot.  According to one side, IRS abuse was horrific and rampant and targeted only conservatives.  According to another side, the IRS scandal was authored by a few rogue administrators in a few offices and had nothing to do with the Obama administration.  According to some sources, there were Democratic organizations that were examined as well with only Democratic agencies being denied tax exempt status.

So whose "facts" do we trust?  If I say Media Matters, my source is automatically suspect.  If you say Breitbart, I say your source is crap.  If someone says, "Well, according to non-partisan blah-blah-blah," very often the response is, "Oh, everyone knows that organization is in the pocket of the Republican/Democratic/Tea Party party...."

As always, TANEA.  (There are no easy answers.)

[onan]

Out of curiosity, is Carter Hull's political affiliation known?  If he is a "lifelong Republican", can we trust him?  Would we trust him more if he were a "lifelong Democrat" or an Independent?  I ask because it always seems to come down to this in this forum:  Conservative = good...  Liberal = bad   OR   Liberal = good... Conservative = bad (according to one's mindset).

Look, when a Democrat does something stupid or illegal, I want to see repercussions.  I'm glad John Edwards is out of politics because his personal integrity is pretty clearly shot.  If he indeed got $400 haircuts (as one of the internet memes claimed), then he sounds like a true knucklehead elitist.  (However, I VERY much doubt that he's the only politician to get $400 haircuts.  I daresay we can all point to individual examples and anecdotal evidence to attack "the other side".)  I am dismayed and disappointed in Obama's use/misuse of the NSA.  I think John Kerry and Al Gore are less than wildly charismatic.

But it does piss me off also when a conservative does or says something stupid, and the Republican response is either:
"He's not a true conservative" (GWB?) OR crickets.  How about Tennessee politician Scott DesJarlaid, who is very pro-life but urged his lover to get an abortion?  He got reelected. 

See, individual examples are very easy to conjure up.  Systemic corruption is more difficult to spot.  According to one side, IRS abuse was horrific and rampant and targeted only conservatives.  According to another side, the IRS scandal was authored by a few rogue administrators in a few offices and had nothing to do with the Obama administration.  According to some sources, there were Democratic organizations that were examined as well with only Democratic agencies being denied tax exempt status.

So whose "facts" do we trust?  If I say Media Matters, my source is automatically suspect.  If you say Breitbart, I say your source is crap.  If someone says, "Well, according to non-partisan blah-blah-blah," very often the response is, "Oh, everyone knows that organization is in the pocket of the Republican/Democratic/Tea Party party...."

As always, TANEA.  (There are no easy answers.)

if you were inclined to look back over several contributor's posts, you would see this argument/plea to rational thought has been presented before. All with the same zeal you present. But no one wants to come to a reasonable point. Everyone (I am imagining) gives it a thought, then quickly resumes past positions. And both sides are guilty. Quite honestly the only sane members are the ones that avoid the politics thread.

[West of the Rockies]

Yes, Onan, I know... I, myself, have posted this sort of thought on this forum (and others) before, too.  Maybe I am a hand-wringing "concern troll".  Maybe I am becoming a pontificating poop.  Some days I don't bother and assume people will just continue to believe as they've always believed (or until life and circumstances perhaps leads them to transformative thought and behavior).  Other days I try to "fight the good fight".  I try to examine my own thoughts and beliefs; I look at my news sources with a critical eye.  Sometimes I spot faulty or dishonest reasoning in those sources. 

Bottom line, we're all in this thing called life together... United we stand... one for all and all for one... blah, blah, blah.

[Flaxen Hegemony]

Yes, Onan, I know... I, myself, have posted this sort of thought on this forum (and others) before, too.  Maybe I am a hand-wringing "concern troll".  Maybe I am becoming a pontificating poop.  Some days I don't bother and assume people will just continue to believe as they've always believed (or until life and circumstances perhaps leads them to transformative thought and behavior).  Other days I try to "fight the good fight".  I try to examine my own thoughts and beliefs; I look at my news sources with a critical eye.  Sometimes I spot faulty or dishonest reasoning in those sources. 

Bottom line, we're all in this thing called life together... United we stand... one for all and all for one... blah, blah, blah.

Hear, hear!  Barring a donation of cash, drugs, women, or any combinations thereof, I want you guys to know that I'm with the group 100%.

[Juan]

But it does piss me off also when a conservative does or says something stupid, and the Republican response is either:
"He's not a true conservative" (GWB?) OR crickets.

Therein lies your error. Republican and conservative are not necessarily the same.  GWB was no conservative.

[West of the Rockies]

What, UFOFill, is the difference between Republican and conservative?  Do they not have far more in common than they have things that set them apart?  GWB was certainly referred to frequently enough as a conservative Republican.  Was he not a pro-life, pro-death penalty, pro-business, pro-military, born-again Christian?  I am not trying to be belligerent; I truly do not know the distinction between Republican and conservative.  Can you be both?

I know that GWB ran up the deficit to the resentment and frutration of many people who identify themselves as conservative.  I wonder when the last time the deficit actually shrank under any administration.

[Sardondi]

Heh. Somebody remembers Obama's 2012 boast (meant to embarrass Romney for his NYT op-ed saying 'Let Detroit go bankrupt'), in whihc Obama said, "We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt." http://washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-obama-2012-we-refused-to-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/article/2533249.

I guess he forgot to add, "...until after the election." But then there was an awful lot of that going around in Team Obama in 2012.

[Flaxen Hegemony]

Heh. Somebody remembers Obama's 2012 boast (meant to embarrass Romney for his NYT op-ed saying 'Let Detroit go bankrupt'), in whihc Obama said, "We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt." http://washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-obama-2012-we-refused-to-let-detroit-go-bankrupt/article/2533249.

I guess he forgot to add, "...until after the election." But then there was an awful lot of that going around in Team Obama in 2012.

Poor Detroit.  Within the past two months, it has become laughable.  Half the city council doesn't even show up for meetings, they've tried to sell the art museum's works to pay debts, and just this week, records show the downtown court building is burdened with millions in back taxes.  Meanwhile, vast swaths of Detroit's neighborhoods are now literally fields reclaimed by nature.  Where you used to hear the loud chatter of hard working immigrants knocking back a few after dinner, there now is just silence.  The old haunting grounds are still in decent shape, though.  My Italian grandmother lived kitty corner across from Novara street, where some punk ass kid named Marshall Mathers annoyed the neighbors.  I wonder what happened to that kid.  I figure he probably ended up a loser like the rest of them.

[Yorkshire pud]

No idea how old this is, but looking at Clarkson's hair colour, I'd say at least ten years. Sadly, part one isn't available..but I'm sure you can join it up. The mayor seemed upbeat...Hmmmm.



Jeremy Clarkson's Motorworld Detroit 2/3


Jeremy Clarkson's Motorworld Detroit 3/3

[onan]

Poor Detroit.  Within the past two months, it has become laughable.  Half the city council doesn't even show up for meetings, they've tried to sell the art museum's works to pay debts, and just this week, records show the downtown court building is burdened with millions in back taxes.  Meanwhile, vast swaths of Detroit's neighborhoods are now literally fields reclaimed by nature.  Where you used to hear the loud chatter of hard working immigrants knocking back a few after dinner, there now is just silence.  The old haunting grounds are still in decent shape, though.  My Italian grandmother lived kitty corner across from Novara street, where some punk ass kid named Marshall Mathers annoyed the neighbors.  I wonder what happened to that kid.  I figure he probably ended up a loser like the rest of them.

I am not sure what is laughable. That city council has been filled with idiots for a very long time. And GM's washing its hands of the situation in the late 80's wasn't funny. I would allow that not many are innocent in this tragedy. But the idea to turn detroit into the "convention center" of the US and try to compete with Las Vegas... without gambling, and with 30 below winters... stupid seems to be a tight fit.

[Juan]

What, UFOFill, is the difference between Republican and conservative?

One is a political party and the other is a political philosophy.  Same way with Democrat and progressive.  Sometimes they overlap and sometimes they don't.  IIRC, the deficit last shrank when Bill Clinton was president and Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole ran congress.

[NowhereInTime]

Some perspective on the "Worst Adminsitration Ever" who's doing everything in their power to deny you your RIGHTS!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/world/europe/judge-frees-navalny-russian-opposition-leader-during-appeal.html?hp&_r=0

This poor bastard is Putin's latest whipping boy but he ain't taking it lying down.  And the people of Russia, God Bless them, did precisely what Paper Boy hates most; they shut the country down with protests against this injustice forcing Shirtless Vlad to free Navalny (for now, until he can slip plutonium in his borscht.)

So ths IRS made you guys jump through hoops to get your tax break to tell lies on TV.  This guy's constantly under the gun and he fights like a man.  He uses the political process and the will of the people and he doesn't need the Koch brothers' BS commercials to get it done.

[PB the Deplorable]

....  And the people of Russia, God Bless them, did precisely what Paper Boy hates most; they shut the country down with protests...

Hold on a sec.  It's one thing to go out en masse and try to take care of a specific problem or set of problems and confront a tyrannical govt - quite another for the Occupy/pressure group types to try to give us one or enhance the one that is developing right under our noses.  The goals are different, the tactics are different, one is a popular uprising, the other is a bunch of  - quite frankly - angry, clueless, easily led losers throwing routine tantrums because they are told to.

You don't understand this fundamental difference between the oppressed people of Iran a few years back, the Egyptians last year and this year, people in China  from Tianamen Square right up to today, and many others - the difference between those people confronting tyranny, and the idiots in our country manipulated by people like Geroge Soros into holding their little riots. 

Those people want freedom and liberty.  Occupy and it's predecessors (remember N Korea funded International 'Answer'. what ever happened to them?)are front groups for those who hate our system of free exchange, our system of govt,, our history, our culture, our society, our freedom and our liberty, and wish to destroy us - they do the bidding of the people presently in power and in the process of doing just that.  Those people are heroes and full of hope.  Occupy are cowards and full of hate.

[Yorkshire pud]

Those people want freedom and liberty.  Occupy and it's predecessors (remember N Korea funded International 'Answer'. what ever happened to them?)are front groups for those who hate our system of free exchange, our system of govt,, our history, our culture, our society, our freedom and our liberty, and wish to destroy us - they do the bidding of the people presently in power and in the process of doing just that.  Those people are heroes and full of hope.  Occupy are cowards and full of hate.

Okay I think I have it.. Demonstrations in other countries against a government are valid (whether or not they result in violence).. Any in the USA are not valid and some are orchestrated by other countries' governments or activists because they 'hate your blah blah blah'? Not only but also, they're doing it against a government you don't have a good word to say about..I see...


But you're okay with US governments giving support (sometimes orchestrating it) towards the overthrow of foreign governments that don't suit the particular foreign policy in place at the Whitehouse at the time?


It's also tragic how you cite the usual liberty, society, culture, history stuff as if that doesn't need qualification.. You're one of the most vociferous regarding the breakdown of society, and bang on about the destruction of your liberty by governments..

[NowhereInTime]

 
...You don't understand this fundamental difference between the oppressed people of Iran a few years back, the Egyptians last year and this year, people in China  from Tianamen Square right up to today, and many others - the difference between those people confronting tyranny, and the idiots in our country manipulated by people like Geroge Soros into holding their little riots. 

Those people want freedom and liberty.  Occupy and it's predecessors (remember N Korea funded International 'Answer'. what ever happened to them?)are front groups for those who hate our system of free exchange, our system of govt,, our history, our culture, our society, our freedom and our liberty, and wish to destroy us - they do the bidding of the people presently in power and in the process of doing just that.  Those people are heroes and full of hope.  Occupy are cowards and full of hate.

I'm sorry I couldn't disagree more.  Many Occupy people are people who were ground up and spat out either of their jobs, their homes, or both.  Many of these people put faith on the system and were rewarded with downsizing or foreclosure.  They are not full of hate; they are frustrated with the dehumanizing, cold response to their plight and the plight of so many others.  Perhaps some weren't too saavy about who underwrote some of their activities, but that really wasn't what they were about.  And cowards?  They consistently faced fully tactical armored police with suppression gear yet they persisted in their message.  Whether they've been effective or not is a separate question but their faith and courage should not be questioned.

[West of the Rockies]

Unfortunately, Nowhere, it's all-too-easy to toss around gross generalizations (all Occupiers are turds).  It would be not unlike if I claimed all Tea Party patriots were racist knuckleheads.  My saying it doesn't make it so.  Sure, they undoubtedly have some unsavory/ignorant folks in their ranks (as do Occupy).  No doubt they also have some kind, compassionate, informed people.

I know that I am FAR more allied with the Occupy movement than the TP movement, but broad brushstroke discussion of these groups is dangerous.

[PB the Deplorable]

Okay I think I have it.. Demonstrations in other countries against a government are valid (whether or not they result in violence).. Any in the USA are not valid and some are orchestrated by other countries' governments or activists because they 'hate your blah blah blah'? Not only but also, they're doing it against a government you don't have a good word to say about..I see...


But you're okay with US governments giving support (sometimes orchestrating it) towards the overthrow of foreign governments that don't suit the particular foreign policy in place at the Whitehouse at the time?


It's also tragic how you cite the usual liberty, society, culture, history stuff as if that doesn't need qualification.. You're one of the most vociferous regarding the breakdown of society, and bang on about the destruction of your liberty by governments..

The hard Left has been agitating and destructive long before Obama showed up.  They don't mind stealing ever more of our liberty while waiting for a chance to seize power - either will get them where they want to go.  The grubby losers they have out 'demonstrating' every chance they get are their foot soldiers, out for the occasional show of force.  Most people ignore them.

The people running - and destroying - our big cities, they are the Leftist hacks.  They have their power bases, they send members to Congress.  They approve and encourage groups like Occupy and Answer - that is why they are allowed to riot, attack police, camp out, trash and burn the place down.  If any are arrested they are soon released with the charges dropped.  These hacks running our big cities are the 'Progressives' and run little one party hellholes.  They include Acorn and their umbrella groups.  They want to do to the rest of the country what they've done to the cities.   Obama is one of them.

Up until Obama was elected, the rest of us shook our heads sadly, avoided the worst areas of these places, and got on with our lives.  The election of Obama changed things. 

So the difference is, the thuggy 'protest' groups like Occupy, the Progressives, the Obama administration, what's left of Acorn - they are all on the same side.  With the Media as their mouthpiece and main propaganda outlet.  In the original example above, the equivalency would be as if Putin was sending his thugs out to riot. 




One example:  When anyone does stand up and actually protests the government - the Tea Party - they are treated with scorn by all the same people that support Occupy

Another example:  last year when Holder announced there would be no investigation or charges against the criminal empire known as Goldman Sachs - the people that kicked off the meltdown of 2008 - Occupy - who told us they formed to fight the banks and the Wall Street Banksters - were completely silent.  Nopress releases, not one 'demonstrator', nothing.  A few weeks later they threw a nationwide riot to celebrate their 1 year anniversary.  That should have convinced anyone watching what they were really about.

[PB the Deplorable]

I'm sorry I couldn't disagree more.  Many Occupy people are people who were ground up and spat out either of their jobs, their homes, or both.  Many of these people put faith on the system and were rewarded with downsizing or foreclosure.  They are not full of hate; they are frustrated with the dehumanizing, cold response to their plight and the plight of so many others.  Perhaps some weren't too saavy about who underwrote some of their activities, but that really wasn't what they were about.  And cowards?  They consistently faced fully tactical armored police with suppression gear yet they persisted in their message.  Whether they've been effective or not is a separate question but their faith and courage should not be questioned.

It's not clear whether Occupy started  out as a grass roots organization or if it was a Soros op from the start.  Whichever it was, early on they had real folks with real problems.  In no way is it that anymore.  They were quickly co-opted by the opportunistic Left.  There are always going to be wrong headed but otherwise good people involved in this - people that believe the propaganda and are generally sympathetic liberals in the first place.  That's how Occupy, and Answer before them are always able to trot out nurses, veterans, and schoolteachers for the Media as needed.

But that is not what they are about.

[PB the Deplorable]

Unfortunately, Nowhere, it's all-too-easy to toss around gross generalizations (all Occupiers are turds).  It would be not unlike if I claimed all Tea Party patriots were racist knuckleheads.  My saying it doesn't make it so.  Sure, they undoubtedly have some unsavory/ignorant folks in their ranks (as do Occupy).  No doubt they also have some kind, compassionate, informed people.

I know that I am FAR more allied with the Occupy movement than the TP movement, but broad brushstroke discussion of these groups is dangerous.

Yeah, those Taxed Enough Already bastards thinking giving more money to the government to waste is a... waste.  What are they thinking.  Fuckers.  They must be racists - everyone that doesn't agree with the Left is.  At least that's what we've been hearing for 35 years.




PS  since you brought it up - the tactic of smearing the Conservatives as racists doesn't work anymore.  We're not going to back away or run off and hide when the name calling starts now. 

In fact, let me take this opportunity to point out the it was the Republicans that were formed as a party to end slavery, it was Dem President FDR that inturned the Jaoanese, it was the Dems that instituted Jim Crow and segregation.  More Rs than Ds voted FOR the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Al Gores father voted against it, as did Bill Clintons mentor, Sen William Fulbright), it was LBJs 'Great Society' that entrapped blacks into dependency, and it's the Ds that have run our inner cities into the ground for 40 years keeping blacks poor and without opportunity.  The Klan was always Democrat, long time Sen Robert Byrd (D, WV) started his career as a local Klan leader, he didn't retire until recently and no one in the Dem Party ever said a word about it while they were promoting him upwards through the Senate leadership. 

The Rev Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican, most of the blacks in the south were, it was the D party that were the racists down there all those decades.  The Democrat unions were the ones that insisted on a minimum wage, because they knew it would price black labor out - what is the unemployment rate among black teens to this very day?   Look how the Ds treat black Rs in office - they are called 'uncle Tom's', 'race traitors', and all the rest, while the media either looks away or joins in.  Look how the prominent black Americans that have stated they agree with the Zimmerman verdict have been treated. 

Seriously, how do people identify with a party like this, now and in the past?  And have the gall to say someone else are the racists?  I'd really like to know.  It's the Libs that are always counting noses and putting people in categories, and it's the Left wing Media, and people like Obama and Holder, Jackson and Sharpton that are not allowing us to put race behind us. 

If you want to see the people that use race for political gain, look to the Democrat Party.

[West of the Rockies]

Jesus H. Christ on a cracker... what is it with you, Paperboy, always seeing things in black or white?  Are you saying that there is no racism whatsoever in the Republican party?  Is your main point that "the Democrats started it!"?

Did you read my post?  I said quite specifically the notion that all TPer's were racists was WRONG!  I acknowledged that not all Occupiers are saints. 

Over and over on this forum I try to make this point, and over and over you continue to over-simplify and paint things in the right or wrong, black or white, fer us or agin' us light.  I often enjoy your observations.  I think you frequently make really important points.  Almost as often I find myself thinking the thoughts that began this particular post I am in the processing of making.

[RealCool Daddio]

Jesus H. Christ on a cracker... what is it with you, Paperboy, always seeing things in black or white?  Are you saying that there is no racism whatsoever in the Republican party?  Is your main point that "the Democrats started it!"?

Did you read my post?  I said quite specifically the notion that all TPer's were racists was WRONG!  I acknowledged that not all Occupiers are saints. 

Over and over on this forum I try to make this point, and over and over you continue to over-simplify and paint things in the right or wrong, black or white, fer us or agin' us light.  I often enjoy your observations.  I think you frequently make really important points.  Almost as often I find myself thinking the thoughts that began this particular post I am in the processing of making.

Don't lose any sleep over PB.  He seems to think "left wing" means everyone on the forum to the left of him.  Given that there is no daylight to the right of him,  and that he suffers from a very unique form of Internet Tourette's Syndrome, trying to have a reasonable discussion with him is like trying to make use of a marzipan dildo.

[PB the Deplorable]

Jesus H. Christ on a cracker... what is it with you, Paperboy...

The Tea Party and racism have zero to do with each other, yet somehow they keep being lumped together by people that don't like the Tea Party very much.  After 40 years of being called Nazi's and racists every single time anyone disagrees with the Libs on policy, or propose policy the Libs don't like, it's gotten way beyond old and tired. 

Since race seems to be the topic of the week after the Zimmerman trial, from the President and his race hustling allies on down, I thought it might be a good time to review who the racists have been in our country historically, who has been playing racial politics right up to today, who's policies are responsible for the current condition of our inner cities, and who won't let us get race behind us.


I  think that's what the national discussion should be about, so that's what I posted

[West of the Rockies]

Oh, okay... so there have never been and are not now Republicans who are racist.  Roger that....
Only Democrats play racial politics...  Check....
And everything that is wrong with life in the inner city (and out?) is the result of Democratic efforts....

Got it.

[Juan]

Perhaps, West, you can give us an example of a Republican who played racial politics in the past few decades.  I can't think of one, but maybe you can.  As for Democrats, I can give a long string - George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Ernest Vandiver, Orville Faubus, Bull Connor, Jesse Jackson, Ross Barnett, etc.  Maybe if we were more specific, we could understand each other's points better.

[PB the Deplorable]

Oh, okay... so there have never been and are not now Republicans who are racist.  Roger that....
Only Democrats play racial politics...  Check....
And everything that is wrong with life in the inner city (and out?) is the result of Democratic efforts....

Got it.

Well, who is it that's always counting noses, putting people in categories, stirring things up?

[onan]

Perhaps, West, you can give us an example of a Republican who played racial politics in the past few decades.  I can't think of one, but maybe you can.  As for Democrats, I can give a long string - George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Ernest Vandiver, Orville Faubus, Bull Connor, Jesse Jackson, Ross Barnett, etc.  Maybe if we were more specific, we could understand each other's points better.

Jason Richwine, Dennis Johnson, Jim Gile, Don Young, Scott Terry, Jennifer Olsen, Todd Kincannon, Jon Hubbard...


It isn't that democrats wear halos... but to think that only one side is the bad guy is simply irrational... and I mean that clinically, not as an insult... but I am sure it will be taken as such.


This was from a one minute search... I am tired of the back and forth that never goes anywhere. good luck!