Dave Schrader

[lurkernerge]

yay, more schrade tonight! 

[AvDaBr]

I'd really like to hear an entire show devoted to the Kelly-Hopkinsville "goblin" case.  Was hoping Art would do one.

[Juan Cena]

I hope Chris casualy mentions the video he did about Coral Castle.

[zeebo]

Good show from Schrade tonite.  This is actually listenable.  I like how he's treating the debunker with some basic respect, instead of flogging him like some other true-believers might. 

[pate]

I didn't hear, but I appreciate flogging the log.

[Ciardelo]

Good show from Schrade tonite.  This is actually listenable.  I like how he's treating the debunker with some basic respect, instead of flogging him like some other true-believers might.

Yup--pretty good show. I've never heard a long discussion with an ancient alien debunker before.

[zeebo]

Yup--pretty good show. I've never heard a long discussion with an ancient alien debunker before.

Yep me either.  The Nasca Lines part was pretty interesting.  Those things freaked me out when I first saw them on In Search Of.   

[Ciardelo]

Yep me either.  The Nasca Lines part was pretty interesting.  Those things freaked me out when I first saw them on In Search Of.   

Yessir. I'm taping it so I can hear it again later and fast forward through the many, many breaks...I missed the Nasca line discussion anyway How did they do it w/o planes?

[zeebo]

Yessir. I'm taping it so I can hear it again later and fast forward through the many, many breaks...I missed the Nasca line discussion anyway How did they do it w/o planes?

He said that you don't actually need to be directly overhead .. you can do it by just being on nearby hills.  I guess if you had decent understanding of parallax etc then you probably could.  Also the figures are also seen in their pottery etc and have to do with agriculture/fishing etc, not alien pictographs.   

[Juan Cena]

Yay! I was able to get in and ask Chris about racial bias in Ancient Aliens theory!

[AvDaBr]

Yay! I was able to get in and ask Chris about racial bias in Ancient Aliens theory!

Congrats.  To respond to your question, I think it may have more to do with time frame.  The pyramids preceded the Greek structures by two millennia.  Not that I believe any of the ancient alien stuff by the way.

[Juan Cena]

Congrats.  To respond to your question, I think it may have more to do with time frame.  The pyramids preceded the Greek structures by two millennia.  Not that I believe any of the ancient alien stuff by the way.

The pyramid building era of Egypt was centuries before Mayan civilization. I always assumed aliens made multiple trip.

[Meister_000]

I have to assume Schrader looks in on occasion, so, perhaps I can help YET AGAIN with this topic of UFOs in Christian Art. I called Noory a few years ago already and explained "the mystery" of all this to both him and the audience, but obviously we have slow learners on our hands -- so I'll make a record of it here for the next time, and the next time, these idiots feel the need to devote more hours of shows to this rediculous and elementary topic.

Ok, here we go.
Christian Symbolism 101:
There is this ancient notion of "Unity" which says; "The beginning and the End are One".
In Greek, this is called the "Alpha and Omega".

Uppercase Alpha is "A".
Lowercase Omega looks like "w" (but more rounded like an "m").

Superimpose those two characters, rotate clockwise 90 degrees, and wha-lah you have the famous "Sputnic" or UFO icon seen "in the sky" of the 1350 fresco "The Crucifixion".

I made a quick drawing of this and photographed it with my phone to make it real easy. What this tells you is that, the so called "Scholars" and "Researchers" in question are not even bright enough to consult one of the many "Dictionaries of Christian Symbology" available at any corner book store. Christianity has only been around for 2000 years. Its not like this hasn't been done yet, i.e. the collecting of Christian symbols. Sorry for my tone but this idiocy is getting too much already. Its INEXCUSABLE.

And yes, there may also be a "crescent moon" or sphere incorporated within the symbol, sphere depicting "perfection" of course, but that hardly unpacks or deciphers and debunks the overall (classic Christian) symbolic message.

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[zeebo]

I have to assume Schrader looks in on occasion, so, perhaps I can help YET AGAIN with this topic of UFOs in Christian Art....

Interesting.  Thanks for the info.

[Nebraska888]

Excellent weekend with Schrader!

[albrecht]

No historian here, but the guest is claiming the Vikings as preceding Christ.  My limited understanding is that they didn't happen upon the  historical stage until 800+ years later, at least in significant capacity.  Perhaps they were always known as such, or perhaps he's referring to their ancestors.

Yeah, I think he was just using the term "viking" to mean pagan, pre-Christian Northern European/Germanic tribes. You are correct that the real "vikings," as most people would use the term, were later.

Schrader did a good job though. Norry had to bale on a show about Krampus because he claimed he didn't like to hear about children suffer...then went on to just about daily give us "news updates" about horrible deaths of children, including a baby in an oven.

[Meister_000]

Interesting.  Thanks for the info.

My pleasure. Thanks

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Yep me either.  The Nasca Lines part was pretty interesting.  Those things freaked me out when I first saw them on In Search Of.   

Same here.  I really enjoyed that guest and would love to hear him debate Giorgio "Londo Mollari, Jr." Tsoukalos!

[Nebraska888]

Schrader did a good job though. Norry had to bale on a show about Krampus because he claimed he didn't like to hear about children suffer...then went on to just about daily give us "news updates" about horrible deaths of children, including a baby in an oven.

Noory is a moody, simple-minded, egotistical host.......I remember that program......Noory started out with his "mood-on" and the short interview went nowhere fast. 

Schrader rocks.......great stuff on Krampus!

[zeebo]

Same here.  I really enjoyed that guest and would love to hear him debate Giorgio "Londo Mollari, Jr." Tsoukalos!

Maybe have a three-way debate, including Giorgio's hair.

[AvDaBr]

Not so fast.  If you enlarge this you can plainly see it's depicting someone taking a dump into a wizard's hat.

[Meister_000]

Not so fast.  If you enlarge this you can plainly see it's depicting someone taking a dump into a wizard's hat.

Damned Theologians!   

[Meister_000]

Part II -- Alpha and Omega or UFOs in Christian Art

Christian Alpha and Omega = Fact

New Testiment, Book of Revelation, 22:13
Jesus refers to himself saying:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."


Early Christian Images depicting Greek Letters Alpha and Omega
Most of these are c.4th century, the Chi Rho symbol predominating:
[As we are want to say; CASE CLOSED!]

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Part II -- Alpha and Omega or UFOs in Christian Art

Christian Alpha and Omega = Fact

New Testiment, Book of Revelation, 22:13
Jesus refers to himself saying:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."


Early Christian Images depicting Greek Letters Alpha and Omega
Most of these are c.4th century, the Chi Rho symbol predominating:
[As we are want to say; CASE CLOSED!]

Whatever you say, Robert Langdon.  So how do you explain that picture you posted, which many ancient alien theorists actually believe could be an artist's depiction of inter-galactic Jesus in a space helmet?  If He really was divine and not an alien, he wouldn't have needed an artificial life support system.  Right?

[zeebo]

Whatever you say, Robert Langdon.  So how do you explain that picture you posted, which many ancient alien theorists actually believe could be an artist's depiction of inter-galactic Jesus in a space helmet?  If He really was divine and not an alien, he wouldn't have needed an artificial life support system.  Right?

But no jet pack.  So still inconclusive.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

But no jet pack.  So still inconclusive.

If I understand Ancient Alien theory correctly, many theorists believe it's possible that the jet pack is invisible because it might be on the other side of an inter-dimensional portal.

[zeebo]

If I understand Ancient Alien theory correctly, many theorists believe it's possible that the jet pack is invisible because it might be on the other side of an inter-dimensional portal.

I just read that in the AA narrator's voice, which made it sound like 90% plausible.

[Meister_000]

Whatever you say, Robert Langdon.  So how do you explain that picture you posted, which many ancient alien theorists actually believe could be an artist's depiction of inter-galactic Jesus in a space helmet?  If He really was divine and not an alien, he wouldn't have needed an artificial life support system.  Right?

It is not a "Moon" that is depicted in the image/icon, as the Coast guest claimed, but rather "the Perfection of Man" that is symbloized. It is not Jesus per say but Humanity in general who is the subject, the End. It is a hollow sphere with a cut-out allowing you the viewer to peek inside. "The Perfection of Man" is the "End", as in the desired result, of  Spirituality, Religion, Philosophy, Theology, Wisdom, etc. It is also the "Beginning", the motive, for humans first creating, developing, and persuing such fields.  The Perfection and Thus Salvation of man is also the End purpose of the Sacrifices our ancestors and teachers suffered on our behaves and for our benefit. Circles and Spheres have been considered and used to express Perfection and hence "The Divine" by all cultures and in every age. Christ, and The Saints "Halos", and the Eucharist as well (a Round wafer of Sustainance)  are just that, symbols of Divine Perfection.

I am rushed right now, but I hope I have made some more details clearer -- if you were indeed making a sincere request for elaboration.

A kind of hoped for "Life Support System" is not such a bad way of saying it.   

And if course, the notion of "Ancient Alien Theorists", particularly of the Coast to Coast variety, is not something I take seriously, nor respect, to put it gently.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I am rushed right now, but I hope I have made some more details clearer -- if you were indeed making a sincere request for elaboration.

And if course, the notion of "Ancient Alien Theorists", particularly of the Coast to Coast variety, is not something I take seriously, nor respect, to put it gently.

Sorry to give you the wrong idea, Meister!  I agree with you and was just making a joke about AA theory.  You don't have to explain anything to me, but feel free to do so if you like because the history of early Christianity is a fascinating subject!  Cheers!

[Meister_000]

Sorry to give you the wrong idea, Meister!  I agree with you and was just making a joke about AA theory.  You don't have to explain anything to me, but feel free to do so if you like because the history of early Christianity is a fascinating subject!  Cheers!

Okey dokey.