Art Bell

[GravitySucks]

Is that what Chrononaut was saying? If so thanks for the translation.

LOL, only he can say for sure, but I think so.

[Element 115]

Is that what Chrononaut was saying? If so thanks for the translation.

Somewhat yes, but in more layment's terms. But yes true only Chrononaut can say for sure as GS said. Great post Chrononaut. Yes big bucks indeed for a facility to handle that.

[Element 115]

Are you saying that there is a naturally occurring element 115 that is non radioactive?

There is no known naturally occurring Uup on Earth.

[Sean92008]

Just saw this, I think for the first time:

Nobody will ever be happy with everything, just a fact of life I learned Decades ago. What I do is and
always has been a mix of real stuff and stuff you have to decide about.

Feel free to express dislike as you will, I just keep rolling.

Art

Yeah, that should read: 

Feel free to express dislike as you will, I'll just quit again anyway.

[Chronaut]

I think the point is is that it is highly radioactive and if he put his hand near it for any amount of time he would incur radiation poisoning. I have a difficult time understanding your posts since you tend to use $20 dollar words and phrases for some reason in a non scientific forum. Are you saying that there is a naturally occurring element 115 that is non radioactive?

Just trying to be accurate.  I didn't mean to hijack the thread, just clarify some misconceptions I saw here.

I'll try to speak plainly (not easy to do with nuclear physics):  labs have created one form of element 115 which is highly unstable.  But our best models predict other forms, at least one of which may be quite stable (stability covers a wide range from totally stable/inert to highly radioactive and everything in-between).  We can't manufacture the more stable form of element 115 yet because it takes a different kind of facility.  But yes, if there's an exceptionally stable form of element 115 as some of the best researchers in the field predict, there may be an incredibly tiny amount of it in the dirt right now.  If it exists naturally, it will be so rare that it would be extremely difficult to find any in the soil.

[Chronaut]

Somewhat yes, but in more layment's terms. But yes true only Chrononaut can say for sure as GS said. Great post Chrononaut. Yes big bucks indeed for a facility to handle that.

Thanks Element 115 - I frequently run into the misconception that there's only one highly radioactive form of element 115 when Bob Lazar comes up, so I like to clarify when that happens, because it's a fascinating point.

I'm really hoping they'll build the facility we need to synthesize the elements on the island of stability.  People are already annoyed that we're talking about this stuff here, which I can understand, so I won't go into it detail (we really need a Science forum here, btw), but the shape of superheavy nuclei does open the door for gravitational radiation to play a part with element 115.

[Roswells, Art]

Just trying to be accurate.  I didn't mean to hijack the thread, just clarify some misconceptions I saw here.

I'll try to speak plainly (not easy to do with nuclear physics):  labs have created one form of element 115 which is highly unstable.  But our best models predict other forms, at least one of which may be quite stable (stability covers a wide range from totally stable/inert to highly radioactive and everything in-between).  We can't manufacture the more stable form of element 115 yet because it takes a different kind of facility.  But yes, if there's an exceptionally stable form of element 115 as some of the best researchers in the field predict, there may be an incredibly tiny amount of it in the dirt right now.  If it exists naturally, it will be so rare that it would be extremely difficult to find any in the soil.

Thank you for putting it in a way I can understand, or think I do, heh. By stable you mean non-radioactive I presume. Aren't all heavy metals in that part of the periodic table radioactive? This one isn't?

Also I don't think this is hijacking the thread since it is an Art topic.

OK, that is what you do think. I guess I keep asking because I find it hard to believe that someone that seems so scientific minded would think that 115 wouldn't be radioactive.

Just let me know what I'm missing here. I won't be offended, I'd be grateful.

[Element 115]

Thanks Element 115 - I frequently run into the misconception that there's only one highly radioactive form of element 115 when Bob Lazar comes up, so I like to clarify when that happens, because it's a fascinating point.

I'm really hoping they'll build the facility we need to synthesize the elements on the island of stability.  People are already annoyed that we're talking about this stuff here, which I can understand, so I won't go into it detail (we really need a Science forum here, btw), but the shape of superheavy nuclei does open the door for gravitational radiation to play a part with element 115.

Yeah I was just reading some other posts of yours stating that we really need a Science thread. It would be a great thing to have here. I agree we need to build a facility for synthesizing but guess who would want the ultimate control over said facility? What if we already have built the facility and stabilized Uup?

[Element 115]

Thank you for putting it in a way I can understand, or think I do, heh. By stable you mean non-radioactive I presume. Aren't all heavy metals in that part of the periodic table radioactive? This one isn't?

Also I don't think this is hijacking the thread since it is an Art topic.

OK, that is what you do think. I guess I keep asking because I find it hard to believe that someone that seems so scientific minded would think that 115 wouldn't be radioactive.

Correct. Radioactive decays into other elements. Hence, we need to find the "island of stability" Re: Uup.

[Roswells, Art]

Correct. Radioactive decays into other elements. Hence, we need to find the "island of stability" Re: Uup.

heh, I just looked up 'Island of Stability'. Kind of cool. I'm taking the family there next winter.

[GravitySucks]

heh, I just looked up 'Island of Stability'. Kind of cool. I'm taking the family there next winter.

If you find it, you will win a Nobel prize

[Roswells, Art]

If you find it, you will win a Nobel prize

It is difficult, my family is unstable.

[GravitySucks]

It is difficult, my family is unstable.

Then take them to the island of inversion, but hurry, there is talk that they are going to rename it to the archipelago of islands of shell breaking.

Take lots of pics.

[Element 115]

It is difficult, my family is unstable.

Hopefully more stable than a 220ms half-life...

[Chronaut]

Yeah I was just reading some other posts of yours stating that we really need a Science thread. It would be a great thing to have here. I agree we need to build a facility for synthesizing but guess who would want the ultimate control over said facility? What if we already have built the facility and stabilized Uup?

Bingo.  I suspect that an advanced black project research group either experimentally created the stable isotope of element 115 and found that it had important defense applications, or an advanced theoretical group behind the black curtain found a convincing mathematical argument predicting important defense applications for it, so they recruited a shifty lab technician at Los Alamos who could be bribed to spend his life telling a crazy story about ufos and a mysteriously powerful exotic element, to spur further research into element 115.  This way they get the word out to the right people without breaking compartmentalized secrecy, while most people throw the whole story into the circular bin assuming the whole thing is a hoax.  Thus, we have Bob Lazar and his well-rehearsed story about government ufos at a secret hangar near Area 51, and a hefty wave of funding from the 1990s forward going into particle accelerators and advanced nucleosynthesis labs overseas (and possibly here at home as well).

heh, I just looked up 'Island of Stability'. Kind of cool. I'm taking the family there next winter.

I hope you see what I was getting at now:  as incredible as it may seem, our best theoretical models predict forms of some superheavy elements (that are much heavier than Uranium), but which are stable enough to safely hold in your hand because they decay so slowly - possibly with half-lives on the order of millions of years.  Perhaps decaying even more slowly (aka more stable) than the material your smoke detector uses, Americium (element 95), which has two fairly stable isotopes with half-lives of 432 years and 7370 years.

[Jackstar]

they recruited a shifty lab technician at Los Alamos who could be bribed to spend his life telling a crazy story about ufos and a mysteriously powerful exotic element

This reminds me of the recruiter in Stripes and/or Private Benjamin. Thoroughly plausible.

[Element 115]

Bingo.  I suspect that an advanced black project research group either experimentally created the stable isotope of element 115 and found that it had important defense applications, or an advanced theoretical group behind the black curtain found a convincing mathematical argument predicting important defense applications for it, so they recruited a shifty lab technician at Los Alamos who could be bribed to spend his life telling a crazy story about ufos and a mysteriously powerful exotic element, to spur further research into element 115.  This way they get the word out to the right people without breaking compartmentalized secrecy, while most people throw the whole story into the circular bin assuming the whole thing is a hoax.  Thus, we have Bob Lazar and his well-rehearsed story about government ufos at a secret hangar near Area 51, and a hefty wave of funding from the 1990s forward going into particle accelerators and advanced nucleosynthesis labs overseas (and possibly here at home as well).

I think you're on to something...

[Roswells, Art]

Bingo.  I suspect that an advanced black project research group either experimentally created the stable isotope of element 115 and found that it had important defense applications, or an advanced theoretical group behind the black curtain found a convincing mathematical argument predicting important defense applications for it, so they recruited a shifty lab technician at Los Alamos who could be bribed to spend his life telling a crazy story about ufos and a mysteriously powerful exotic element, to spur further research into element 115.  This way they get the word out to the right people without breaking compartmentalized secrecy, while most people throw the whole story into the circular bin assuming the whole thing is a hoax.  Thus, we have Bob Lazar and his well-rehearsed story about government ufos at a secret hangar near Area 51, and a hefty wave of funding from the 1990s forward going into particle accelerators and advanced nucleosynthesis labs overseas (and possibly here at home as well).

I hope you see what I was getting at now:  as incredible as it may seem, our best theoretical models predict forms of some superheavy elements (that are much heavier than Uranium), but which are stable enough to safely hold in your hand because they decay so slowly - possibly with half-lives on the order of millions of years.  Perhaps decaying even more slowly (aka more stable) than the material your smoke detector uses, Americium (element 95), which has two fairly stable isotopes with half-lives of 432 years and 7370 years.

I do.

[Tinfoil_Helm]

This was probably suggested 1,000 posts ago, but maybe Heather is Art's daughter?  That would explain why someone so... ummm, rough on the air would get the job.  Plus, she's half-Asian, which makes sense given Art's proclivities.

[MV/Liberace!]

I did not leave. Was banned.
Thought it is forever.

I can not fish too. Just holding the stick.

you haven't been banned in years.

[Richard Groyper]

This was probably suggested 1,000 posts ago, but maybe Heather is Art's daughter?  That would explain why someone so... ummm, rough on the air would get the job.  Plus, she's half-Asian, which makes sense given Art's proclivities.

I like the way you're thinking. Possibilities. Oh, the possibilities...

[Auslandia]

This was probably suggested 1,000 posts ago, but maybe Heather is Art's daughter?  That would explain why someone so... ummm, rough on the air would get the job.  Plus, she's half-Asian, which makes sense given Art's proclivities.

I'm gonna go ahead and say it.  That is a fucking stupid theory.

[WOTR]

How did the four fish get out of the tank? It's a tank. No way out.

I once had a snowflake eel who was quite the escape artist.  Found him one day in the refugeum (tank under the tank.)

[BettyO417]

Still 10 fish in the tank!

2 Drowned
4 Swam Away
3 Died
1 Might be playing Taps for long lost friends, but they're all still in the tank!

[WOTR]

1 Might be playing Taps for long lost friends, but they're all still in the tank!

Actually- there are 13.  The fish keeper added two, and one "flew" over from a near by tank... All it takes is one flying fish and your numbers are screwed...

[norland2424]

This was probably suggested 1,000 posts ago, but maybe Heather is Art's daughter?  That would explain why someone so... ummm, rough on the air would get the job.  Plus, she's half-Asian, which makes sense given Art's proclivities.

its been posted on here where she has said that her father is Chinese so that kills your theory.

[ge30542]

Just counted 15 stations listed on MITD list of radio stations.
Last time I counted,(3 weeks ago?),  it was around 43.
Are they bailing?

[GravitySucks]

Just counted 15 stations listed on MITD list of radio stations.
Last time I counted,(3 weeks ago?),  it was around 43.
Are they bailing?

That's the first time they updated the list since Art quit.

[Tinfoil_Helm]

I'm gonna go ahead and say it.  That is a fucking stupid theory.

How the fuck else do you explain why this woman is on the radio?  It's like a 2-month-long joke or something.  Either she is fucking him or related to him.  I can't come up with a better explanation. 

[Richard Groyper]

its been posted on here where she has said that her father is Chinese so that kills your theory.

They only come up to your knees

Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please...