Art Bell

[PB the Deplorable]

Yes!  I'm with you WhiteCrow.  It's just not in Art's nature to do that.

Well, there's only about 1000 pages of examples demonstrating Art's 'nature'.  I get that people don't like seeing the posts, but the case needed to be made, and has been made. 

It is quite typical of Art to do 'that'.

[Chronaut]

I also want to point out that this is yet another incident that handily refutes the absurd notion that “all of the real stories get covered by the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, etc.”

Gee, who says this?

You did.  Yesterday, in fact:

But the biggest, nastiest collections of related "dots" are usually not scattered around like jigsaw pieces waiting to be assembled on late night radio or in the corners of the Internet. They're on the front pages of The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.

And it's boggled my mind ever since.

I could easily do without Snowden, however.

I'm sure you could - I've never met anyone more committed to burying their head in the sand; but that's fine, that's your right.

Me?  I prefer to know the truth.  And with investigative journalism a cold cadaver, and bloated secret government agencies up to all kinds of shifty creepy bullshit, whistleblowers are all that's left.  And there ain't many of them.

[WOTR]

How the fuck else do you explain why this woman is on the radio?  It's like a 2-month-long joke or something.  Either she is fucking him or related to him...

We're heading for the bottom anyhow- so I may as well suggest that it is both.

There- I think we have arrived.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

We're heading for the bottom anyhow- so I may as well suggest that it is both.

There- I think we have arrived.

[Sean92008]

Art is going to change that point of view real quick (not the workers of course, just the fellow Nevadans):
"Ahead of the Nevada Democratic caucuses this weekend, a group of sex workers operating under the name Hookers for Hillary is going all in for Hillary Clinton’s campaign â€" touting her positions on health care and other issues.

According to The Guardian, brothel owner Dennis Hof and the girls at the Moonlite Bunny Ranch launched the pro-Clinton project shortly after she entered the race. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/16/hookers-for-hillary-in-clintons-corner-ahead-nevada-caucuses.html

They're just hoping for a visit from Bill...  He's a big-tipper.

He used to have/use a condo in Green Valley Ranch and, too many times, would use the multigenerational center for his indoor jogging.  Causing swimmers in the indoor poor to be stuck there for hours! 

[Value Of Pi]

Gee, who says this?


You did.  Yesterday, in fact:

And it's boggled my mind ever since.

I'm sure you could - I've never met anyone more committed to burying their head in the sand; but that's fine, that's your right.

Me?  I prefer to know the truth.  And with investigative journalism a cold cadaver, and bloated secret government agencies up to all kinds of shifty creepy bullshit, whistleblowers are all that's left.  And there ain't many of them.

Aha. I figured you had me in mind. If you're cutting and pasting accurately, what I said in that other post is not nearly the same thing as your truncated version, especially in context. Saying "all of the real stories" would be a bit much. Who would say that, other than possibly the ad agencies for those papers? (And they would say it more elegantly.)

It's also a bit silly for you to think that someone who doesn't take all these government conspiracy theories seriously is therefore not interested in the truth. I just have higher standards for what I'll accept as the truth than some people. (I've also never purchased the National Enquirer, although I always check out the cover while on the checkout line at the supermarket.)

You are a science guy, right? You know how to think logically and critically. So where is that part of your brain when you are buying into all these conspiracy theories? Do you give it the night off? I'm serious about this because I'd really like to understand the process by which intelligent people can suspend disbelief and critical thinking to this extent when they're dealing with real life and not a movie or TV show or radio show.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

KOAN dropped her too

Thanks for contacting KOAN. You asked if we were still airing Midnight in the Desert with Heather Wade. We are not. Programming changes were put into effect Wednesday, Feb. 10 and included a handful of changes, all of which can be found at our website: http://www.1080koan.com/lineup/

[DanTSX]

Art Bell has let it be known that he supports Donald Trump.  Maybe someone can dig up his facebook post.

Good.


I support Trump too.

[DanTSX]

I thought Art was a Libertarian.  Libertarians didn't support Obama in '08, and they sure aren't supporting Donald Trump this time.

Art sounds like he mostly prefers meaningless sloganeering.

Art has supported Obama in the past.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

It's pretty much just trivia, though, to me, at this point.  I'm done with MITD and pretty much Art.  I don't even enjoy listening to his old shows after this latest train wreck.

It makes Phil Hendrie's Art Bell all the better.

[Chronaut]

You are a science guy, right? You know how to think logically and critically. So where is that part of your brain when you are buying into all these conspiracy theories? Do you give it the night off? I'm serious about this because I'd really like to understand the process by which intelligent people can suspend disbelief and critical thinking to this extent when they're dealing with real life and not a movie or TV show or radio show.

On my side of the argument, we have evidence of illegal and widespread deceptive covert online activities:

“NSA's phone spying program ruled illegal by appeals court,” Jonathan Stemple, May 7, 2015
“Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont Democrat, said ‘the NSA is out of control and operating in an unconstitutional manner.’”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-nsa-idUSKBN0NS1IN20150507

“How Covert Agents Infiltrate The Internet to Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations,” Glenn Greenwald, Feb 24, 2014
“One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.”
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

“U.S. Military Launches Spy Operation Using Fake Online Identities,” Amy Lee, May 25, 2011
“According to the contract between US Central Command (Centcom) and California company Ntrepid, the software would let each user control 10 personas, each "replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent." The software would also be able to let personas "appear to originate in nearly any part of the world" and interact through "conventional online services and social media platforms," while using a static IP address for each persona to maintain a consistent online identity.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/online-persona-management_n_837153.html

“Exclusive: Snowden Docs Show British Spies Used Sex and 'Dirty Tricks,’” Matthew Cole, Feb 7, 2014
“British spies have developed "dirty tricks" for use against nations, hackers, terror groups, suspected criminals and arms dealers that include releasing computer viruses, spying on journalists and diplomats, jamming phones and computers, and using sex to lure targets into ‘honey traps.’”
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/snowden-docs-british-spies-used-sex-dirty-tricks-n23091

“Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media,” Nick Fielding and Ian Cobain, March 17, 2011
“The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.
The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities â€" known to users of social media as "sock puppets" â€" could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organisations to do the same.”
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

“The Real War on Reality,” Peter Ludlow, June 14, 2013
“What has received less attention is the fact that most intelligence work today is not carried out by government agencies but by private intelligence firms and that much of that work involves another common aspect of intelligence work: deception. That is, it is involved not just with the concealment of reality, but with the manufacture of it.”
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/the-real-war-on-reality/

“Controversial GCHQ Unit Engaged in Domestic Law Enforcement, Online Propaganda, Psychology Research,” Glenn Greenwald and Andrew Fishman, June 22, 2015
“Though its existence was secret until last year, JTRIG quickly developed a distinctive profile in the public understanding, after documents from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed that the unit had engaged in “dirty tricks” like deploying sexual “honey traps” designed to discredit targets, launching denial-of-service attacks to shut down Internet chat rooms, pushing veiled propaganda onto social networks and generally warping discourse online.”
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/22/controversial-gchq-unit-domestic-law-enforcement-propaganda/

Wikipedia article about reporter Glen Greenwald:
“In June 2013 Greenwald became widely known after The Guardian published the first of a series of reports detailing United States and British global surveillance programs, based on classified documents disclosed by Edward Snowden.[21][22] The series on which Greenwald worked along with others won the 2014 Pulitzer Prize for Public Service.[23][24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald

Leaked Documents:

The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations
https://edwardsnowden.com/2014/02/25/the-art-of-deception-training-for-a-new-generation-of-online-covert-operations/

Behavioural Science Support for JTRIG’S Effects and Online HUMINT Operations
https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/behavioural-science-support-jtrig/

Cyber Integration "The art of the possible"
https://edwardsnowden.com/2014/02/07/cyber-integration-the-art-of-the-possible/

National Initiative Protection Program â€" Sentry Eagle
https://theintercept.com/document/2014/10/10/national-initiative-protection-program-sentry-eagle/



…and on your side of the argument, we have patronizing ad hominem bullshit and “nothing to see here, move along, move along…”

Scientists follow the evidence.  Ostriches deny it.  I’ll stick with evidence, thanks.

[Jackstar]

…and on your side of the argument, we have patronizing ad hominem bullshit and “nothing to see here, move along, move along…”

Scientists follow the evidence.  Ostriches deny it.  I’ll stick with evidence, thanks.

[Value Of Pi]

On my side of the argument, we have evidence of illegal and widespread deceptive covert online activities:

“NSA's phone spying program ruled illegal by appeals court,” Jonathan Stemple, May 7, 2015
“Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont Democrat, said ‘the NSA is out of control and operating in an unconstitutional manner.’”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-nsa-idUSKBN0NS1IN20150507

“How Covert Agents Infiltrate The Internet to Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations,” Glenn Greenwald, Feb 24, 2014
“One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.”
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

“U.S. Military Launches Spy Operation Using Fake Online Identities,” Amy Lee, May 25, 2011
“According to the contract between US Central Command (Centcom) and California company Ntrepid, the software would let each user control 10 personas, each "replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent." The software would also be able to let personas "appear to originate in nearly any part of the world" and interact through "conventional online services and social media platforms," while using a static IP address for each persona to maintain a consistent online identity.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/online-persona-management_n_837153.html

“Exclusive: Snowden Docs Show British Spies Used Sex and 'Dirty Tricks,’” Matthew Cole, Feb 7, 2014
“British spies have developed "dirty tricks" for use against nations, hackers, terror groups, suspected criminals and arms dealers that include releasing computer viruses, spying on journalists and diplomats, jamming phones and computers, and using sex to lure targets into ‘honey traps.’”
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/snowden-docs-british-spies-used-sex-dirty-tricks-n23091

“Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media,” Nick Fielding and Ian Cobain, March 17, 2011
“The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.
The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities â€" known to users of social media as "sock puppets" â€" could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organisations to do the same.”
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

“The Real War on Reality,” Peter Ludlow, June 14, 2013
“What has received less attention is the fact that most intelligence work today is not carried out by government agencies but by private intelligence firms and that much of that work involves another common aspect of intelligence work: deception. That is, it is involved not just with the concealment of reality, but with the manufacture of it.”
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/the-real-war-on-reality/

“Controversial GCHQ Unit Engaged in Domestic Law Enforcement, Online Propaganda, Psychology Research,” Glenn Greenwald and Andrew Fishman, June 22, 2015
“Though its existence was secret until last year, JTRIG quickly developed a distinctive profile in the public understanding, after documents from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed that the unit had engaged in “dirty tricks” like deploying sexual “honey traps” designed to discredit targets, launching denial-of-service attacks to shut down Internet chat rooms, pushing veiled propaganda onto social networks and generally warping discourse online.”
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/22/controversial-gchq-unit-domestic-law-enforcement-propaganda/

Wikipedia article about reporter Glen Greenwald:
“In June 2013 Greenwald became widely known after The Guardian published the first of a series of reports detailing United States and British global surveillance programs, based on classified documents disclosed by Edward Snowden.[21][22] The series on which Greenwald worked along with others won the 2014 Pulitzer Prize for Public Service.[23][24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald

Leaked Documents:

The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations
https://edwardsnowden.com/2014/02/25/the-art-of-deception-training-for-a-new-generation-of-online-covert-operations/

Behavioural Science Support for JTRIG’S Effects and Online HUMINT Operations
https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/behavioural-science-support-jtrig/

National Initiative Protection Program â€" Sentry Eagle
https://theintercept.com/document/2014/10/10/national-initiative-protection-program-sentry-eagle/


…and on your side of the argument, we have patronizing ad hominem bullshit and “nothing to see here, move along, move along…”

Scientists follow the evidence.  Ostriches deny it.  I’ll stick with evidence, thanks.

You've got "evidence" and articles up the wazoo. But what does it all add up to, what does it signify in the great scheme of things? Not a whole heckuva lot. I'm sorry that I don't see the big threat and the massive conspiracy to manipulate me, you and everyone else but I've got bigger concerns. Right now, the Middle East is on fire, the Russians are making big trouble in Europe, there's a massive refugee crisis, North Korea has the bomb and is working hard on missiles, Iran is still Iran, the weather has gone crazy due to changes in climate, global thermonuclear war is an ever-present threat as is nuclear proliferation, terrorism has reached new levels of threat and savagery, the market stinks and the economy is not much better... need I go on?

Your hill of beans is pretty low on my priority list. In fact, the plot to control the Internet barely registers on my seismograph. But if you want to tell me that I should realign my attentional resources away from any of the above listed types of priorities to Edward Snowden, I will try to understand why I should do that. Just give me a hint, something I can work with. The links aren't doing it for me.

[Jackstar]

But what does it all add up to, what does it signify in the great scheme of things? Not a whole heckuva lot.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

Your hill of beans is pretty low on my priority list. In fact, the plot to control the Internet barely registers on my seismograph.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.  This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger'  ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',  'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics',  'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others  shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

[Sean92008]

its been posted on here where she has said that her father is Chinese so that kills your theory.

Mix kids are known to be more attractive...  I believe that this, in itself, dispels the claim that her father is Chinese.

[norland2424]

Mix kids are known to be more attractive...  I believe that this, in itself, dispels the claim that her father is Chinese.

it was a quote from one of her older posts, and she has mentioned her Chinese ancestry on the air before.

[Chronaut]

But if you want to tell me that I should realign my attentional resources away from any of the above (incomplete) types of priorities to Edward Snowden, I will try to understand why I should do that.

I have no interest in realigning anyone’s priorities; it’s your life, focus on whatever drives you.  I just wanted to move from the total denial expressed here:

So where is that part of your brain when you are buying into all these conspiracy theories? Do you give it the night off? I'm serious about this because I'd really like to understand the process by which intelligent people can suspend disbelief and critical thinking to this extent when they're dealing with real life and not a movie or TV show or radio show.

To the acknowledgement that this stuff is actually happening expressed here:

In fact, the plot to control the Internet

Aw shucks - that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me =)

[GravitySucks]

it was a quote from one of her older posts, and she has mentioned her Chinese ancestry on the air before.

They cover them with soil, and plant trees and such to naturally biodegrade the pyramids in China.  My father was from China and used to tell me about them.  He & the family lived in one such pyramid.

[Chronaut]

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

That's a fascinating link.  I've never studied this stuff, and it's hard to find insightful articles on the subject, but this is intriguing and concise.  In the rotten new age of online deception and psychological warfare, we should all be aware of the strategies, tactics, and the tells of people operating in social media with covert agendas:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth:   The Rules of Disinformation  (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist)

“Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth  Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate  in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against  those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives.”

[Jackstar]

this is intriguing and concise.

[Value Of Pi]

I have no interest in realigning anyone’s priorities; it’s your life, focus on whatever drives you.  I just wanted to move from the total denial expressed here:

To the acknowledgement that this stuff is actually happening expressed here:


Aw shucks - that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me =)

Yes, of course, stuff is actually happening. Someone wrote that Powerpoint presentation, someone seems to have put in a lot of thought, so I conclude that something is going on here, assuming that this document is genuine. That's not the same thing as saying that this a big problem in the context of other problems. There's simply not enough hard evidence of that.

I am certainly not out to disprove the existence of any particular "dot," but I will definitely question the nature of some of them and whether or how they might connect to the other dots. To me, this is the logical way to evaluate things in my perceivable or conceptual universe. I always thought science worked the same way and was rigorously skeptical about puzzle pieces that are unexplained or don't seem to fit properly.

Sorry if I appeared to attack your way of thinking, but I genuinely don't see why you don't apply your scientific methodology as mercilessly to the political world as you seem to do to the scientific world.

[Jackstar]

There's simply not enough hard evidence of that.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule.  Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant  and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

[Yorkshire pud]

Do you ever have conversations with anyone offline? Isn't it frustrating for them that you communicate with GIF's, photos and quoting conspiracy theory websites? I'm guessing you don't talk to anyone offline. Your ex girlfriend had nice things to say about you on here I seem to remember. Lucky girl.

[Jackstar]

Do you ever have conversations with anyone offline?

Regularly.

Isn't it frustrating for them that you communicate with GIF's, photos and quoting conspiracy theory websites?

My winning smile and tremendous pheromones provide a significant buffering effect.

I'm guessing you don't talk to anyone offline.

You do a lot of guessing, you transparent corporate fascist apologist shill.

Your ex girlfriend had nice things to say about you on here I seem to remember. Lucky girl.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.  This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger'  ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',  'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics',  'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others  shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys  listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can  'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable  events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

Transparent.


http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

[Yorkshire pud]

You do a lot of guessing, you transparent corporate fascist apologist shill.[/

Oh you furnish me with such grandeur!  You need more chemtrails son.

[Jackstar]

You need more chemtrails son.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.  This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger'  ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',  'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics',  'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others  shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys  listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can  'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

[Jesus Undercarriage]

in a way..yes


Art Bell
1 hr ·
As the campaign season continues I am starting to think
Trump is looking better and better to me. Nothing on the left is close to interesting to me, on the right Trump from my point of view is the guy.
Art

What a total moron.

[DarKPenguiN]

What a total moron.

You're not a very nice jesus.

Must be the Gnostic or the Black Jesus.

[Lena]

Lives here somebody near Pahrump? You could stalk Art, and inform him that you so long chase him until he makes radio.
Tell him something will happen if he does not immediately radio!

[nathan]

It's hard to keep up on this thread so sorry if it's been discussed-- has anyone concluded that Heather is Art's daughter?