Art Bell

[cweb]

It's hard to keep up on this thread so sorry if it's been discussed-- has anyone concluded that Heather is Art's daughter?

No, but we were approaching certainty that Art is Heather's daughter.

[PB the Deplorable]

Art has supported Obama in the past.

Yes, he sure did.  And in his current post it sounds like he is endorsing Donald Trump.

To me neither Obama nor Trump have any Libertarian tendencies.  Nor are they similar to each other in any meaningful way.  So what is it about Obama in '08 and Trump in '16 that garners the support of supposed Libertarian Art Bell?

As far as I can tell, the common factor in both campaigns is in generating the most media hoopla.  If it's something other than that, perhaps Art will enlighten us

[creepygreenlight]

Of course Art support Obama back when eveyone HATED bush.  It can be said that Bush is the reason we have Obama, because he damaged the Republican brand beyond anything in memory.

Yes, he sure did.  And in his current post it sounds like he is endorsing Donald Trump.

To me neither Obama nor Trump have any Libertarian tendencies.  Nor are they similar to each other in any meaningful way.  So what is it about Obama in '08 and Trump in '16 that garners the support of supposed Libertarian Art Bell?

As far as I can tell, the common factor in both campaigns is in generating the most media hoopla.  If it's something other than that, perhaps Art will enlighten us

Come on you guys, I know you're intelligent and can understand this...

Back in 2007-2008 the general mentality in America was "Anybody but Bush!"... and now thanks to the tyrannical fucktard Obama the mentality has become "Anyone but Obama!"...

The thing with trump is that he is the anti-politician.  Americans have seen the extreme right (Bush) and the extreme left (Obama), maybe Americans are starting to smarten' up a bit and realize that BOTH PARTIES are the fucking problem.  Hence the rise of Trump, the anti-politician.

You're welcome.

[CornyCrow]

What a total moron.

I think Trump may save the Republican party.  He's sounding, at times, sensible and not rubber stamping an extremist platform.  Maybe he'll pull them up from the hole they've sunk into.

It's not healthy to have only one party.  It's horrible. Even with two parties, we can see a certain agenda that's promoted by the big money guys and the international corp. set. 

[CornyCrow]

Lives here somebody near Pahrump? You could stalk Art, and inform him that you so long chase him until he makes radio.
Tell him something will happen if he does not immediately radio!

That's a great idea!  A stalker from the other side. Good thinking.

[CornyCrow]

Yes, he sure did.  And in his current post it sounds like he is endorsing Donald Trump.

To me neither Obama nor Trump have any Libertarian tendencies.  Nor are they similar to each other in any meaningful way.  So what is it about Obama in '08 and Trump in '16 that garners the support of supposed Libertarian Art Bell?

As far as I can tell, the common factor in both campaigns is in generating the most media hoopla.  If it's something other than that, perhaps Art will enlighten us

Some folks say they are libertarian just for the sake of not being one of the two main parties.  I agree that whatever you put money into you encourage, so many people getting government help because they have children should not be getting that help.  On the other hand, we all know how horribly business behaves when there are no restraints.  Look at China, all the poisons in their food to cut costs.  We've had cars that broke into flames.  Our city air has certainly cleaned up because of legislation, not because of some caring head of a corporation.

[CornyCrow]

Of course Art support Obama back when eveyone HATED bush.  It can be said that Bush is the reason we have Obama, because he damaged the Republican brand beyond anything in memory.
Come on you guys, I know you're intelligent and can understand this...

Back in 2007-2008 the general mentality in America was "Anybody but Bush!"... and now thanks to the tyrannical fucktard Obama the mentality has become "Anyone but Obama!"...

The thing with trump is that he is the anti-politician.  Americans have seen the extreme right (Bush) and the extreme left (Obama), maybe Americans are starting to smarten' up a bit and realize that BOTH PARTIES are the fucking problem.  Hence the rise of Trump, the anti-politician.

You're welcome.

I am thinking that a President Trump may make decisions through logic and reasoning and not along party lines.  I just think he'd be horrible for the environment.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  Our city air has certainly cleaned up because of legislation, not because of some caring head of a corporation.

Yes, there are things best done by government, and things best done in the private sector. 

[CornyCrow]

Well, the winner of a Presidential election nearly always gets less than 60% of the vote, and the loser gets more than 40%.  Each Party is always going to get 40% no matter who they put up, or what the situation is.  It's usually much closer that that, but the elections are decided by that 20% in the middle.

(For example, Obama beat McCain 52.9% to 45.7%.  In 2012 it was Obama 51.1% to Romney 47.2%.  We know Bush didn't even win the popular vote in 2000, and beat Kerry 50.7% to 48.3% in '04.  The election this year will likely be similarly close. 

It's not like the whole nation swings one way or the other.)


I think it's fair to say those in that the 20% who decide the elections typically don't really have any core political philosophies, and frankly don't pay that much attention to what goes on in Washington or the world in general.  That's why election themes generally boil down to simple slogans, relatively unimportant short term topics of the day, and becomes a personality contest.  I didn't think Art was in that group

I think Art agrees with part of the platforms of each party and also disagrees with both of them.  There are unaffiliated people who are not going to be pigeon-holed into establishment boxes.  I believe in legalizing drugs, with some reservations I agree with free education, I certainly think we need to put more effort into environmental causes.  I also think illegals should be coaxed into going home, I don't believe in anchor babies, I support our right to bear arms. 

Why should I change my opinions on matters merely to conform with some political party's platform?

[CornyCrow]

Yes, there are things best done by government, and things best done in the private sector.

But if you read Ayn Rand, she believes, with strict constitutionalists, that the only role of government is to protect the country.  No interference with business, no Social Security, unemployment, public libraries, public education, etc.  Police, fire depts, all have to be paid for by the individual.  If you suffer a life changing accident or have an autistic kid, tough - you'd better have a lot saved up or it's in the garbage heap for you and that kid.   

[SredniVashtar]

I also think illegals should be coaxed into going home.

What do you do? Hold out a taco and let them keep following you until they are over the border again? 

[CornyCrow]

What do you do? Hold out a taco and let them keep following you until they are over the border again? 

Actually inspect businesses that are suspected of hiring them and make the penalties more costly to the businesses than their savings in labor.  If jobs attract them here then the lack of same will attract them back home. 

We have had hospitals close because of the government mandate to treat all who come through the emergency door.  They have large families and it costs the taxpayer about $7k annually to teach one child and if they are not native English speakers, I've read that the cost is $9k (that seems a bit high to me). 

But I like your idea better, if it would work.

[PB the Deplorable]

I think Art agrees with part of the platforms of each party and also disagrees with both of them.  There are unaffiliated people who are not going to be pigeon-holed into establishment boxes...

Yes, but supporting Obama in '08 and Trump now.  I'm just curious about the connection.

People act as if Art is some sort of oracle - 'we need his voice', 'we want to hear his take', and all that.   I'm just asking how he's coming to these seemingly diametrically opposing conclusions, neither of which appear to fit into his stated philosophy, that's all.

[SciFiAuthor]

Of course Art support Obama back when eveyone HATED bush.  It can be said that Bush is the reason we have Obama, because he damaged the Republican brand beyond anything in memory.
Come on you guys, I know you're intelligent and can understand this...

Back in 2007-2008 the general mentality in America was "Anybody but Bush!"... and now thanks to the tyrannical fucktard Obama the mentality has become "Anyone but Obama!"...

The thing with trump is that he is the anti-politician.  Americans have seen the extreme right (Bush) and the extreme left (Obama), maybe Americans are starting to smarten' up a bit and realize that BOTH PARTIES are the fucking problem.  Hence the rise of Trump, the anti-politician.

You're welcome.

Very well said. Trump is a reaction. So is Sanders. People are fed up.

[WOTR]

You're not a very nice jesus.

Must be the Gnostic or the Black Jesus.

I tend to think of him more as the Mexican "Hey, Zeus"...

[creepygreenlight]

I am thinking that a President Trump may make decisions through logic and reasoning and not along party lines.  I just think he'd be horrible for the environment.

Well, there's no perfect candidate.  Personally, I'll vote for whoever wants to SHRINK government and get it out of our lives as much as humanly possible.  The growth of government is like a growth of cancer, once it reaches a certain point you might as well start preparing for the end of life as you know it.

[Faustina]

Art just posted this on his Facebook page:

"MITD

For those of you who wish to
have a alternative to C2C which
has way more content every hour
I would ask you to support Heather by becoming a Time Traveler for just $4.99 a Month!

I will soon do some fill in shows.

Art"

[Ciardelo]

Art just posted this on his Facebook page:

"MITD

For those of you who wish to
have a alternative to C2C which
has way more content every hour
I would ask you to support Heather by becoming a Time Traveler for just $4.99 a Month!

I will soon do some fill in shows.

Art"

lol Sure you will Art. 

Now he's not going to come back because there aren't enough TT subs. lol.

[PB the Deplorable]

... I will soon do some fill in shows.

Art"

Really?  I wonder what changed regarding the ''stalker''

[Yorkshire pud]

Really?  I wonder what changed regarding the ''stalker''

Your biggest fault? You're a cynic! 

[bateman]

Art just posted this on his Facebook page:

"MITD

For those of you who wish to
have a alternative to C2C which
has way more content every hour
I would ask you to support Heather by becoming a Time Traveler for just $4.99 a Month!

I will soon do some fill in shows.

Art"

Boy, the KLZ thing must have stung, huh?

Karma is a brutal Bitch

[Inglorious Bitch]

The thing with trump is that he is the anti-politician.  Americans have seen the extreme right (Bush) and the extreme left (Obama), maybe Americans are starting to smarten' up a bit and realize that BOTH PARTIES are the fucking problem.  Hence the rise of Trump, the anti-politician.

Well, that's just as obvious as the huge schnoz on Noory's face.

[Donald Noory]

Art just posted this on his Facebook page:

"MITD

For those of you who wish to
have a alternative to C2C which
has way more content every hour
I would ask you to support Heather by becoming a Time Traveler for just $4.99 a Month!

I will soon do some fill in shows.

Art"

I find it pretty contemptible the way he keeps stringing his gullible fans along.

[Donald Noory]

Heather's getting better every day! She recently learned how to pronounce "Scalia", and proved it to everyone by opening with the story again, and saying his name more than 10 times, just to show everyone that she does know how to pronounce it!  She must have been practicing all day! Hey, that's progress!

[Ciardelo]

I find it pretty contemptible the way he keeps stringing his gullible fans along.

At this point Noory, I think it is an all-volunteer fan club. 

[Ciardelo]

Heather's getting better every day! She recently learned how to pronounce "Scalia", and proved it to everyone by opening with the story again, and saying his name more than 10 times, just to show everyone that she does know how to pronounce it!  She must have been practicing all day! Hey, that's progress!

She IS getting better each day! Thanks for being a fan!

[Richard Groyper]

Art just posted this on his Facebook page:

"MITD

For those of you who wish to
have a alternative to C2C which
has way more content every hour
I would ask you to support Heather by becoming a Time Traveler for just $4.99 a Month!

I will soon do some fill in shows.

Art"

At this point does anyone honestly care?

[ponyboysunset]

At this point does anyone honestly care?

[Donald Noory]

Art giving the show to Heather reminds me of the time George W. Bush tried to nominate his cleaning lady Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

[Inglorious Bitch]

At this point does anyone honestly care?