Art Bell

[jazmunda]

hey, it's a friday night and bellgab didn't go down! 

yay.

I picked the wrong week to sell my BellGab shares.

[ks3484]

That sounds like a pretty solid case.
Don't waste time on this website, go out and get that lawsuit done.

There is nothing that I can "get" done. It's a matter that John Lear may or may not wish to follow up on and champion. Of course if he prevails it would be a victory for all who are attempting to understand the very nature of life and existence. UFOlogy is the van guard of that pursuit. It should not so easily be discarded or dismissed by the whole of society.

[onan]

There is nothing that I can "get" done. It's a matter that John Lear may or may not wish to follow up on and champion. Of course if he prevails it would be a victory for all who are attempting to understand the very nature of life and existence. UFOlogy is the van guard of that pursuit. It should not so easily be discarded or dismissed by the whole of society.

Wiki probably has a defense of: people believe the info on our site?

[ks3484]

Wiki probably has a defense of: people believe the info on our site?

All the more reason for them to take care. If their publication is presented as factual and accurate then they have a duty and responsibility to insure that their publication is not biased. And if it is biased and advocates a particular stance or position on a matter then they by all accounts should print and state that. They have a duty to disclose that their publication is in fact biased and prejudiced.

[onan]

All the more reason for them to take care. If their publication is presented as factual and accurate then they have a duty and responsibility to insure that their publication is not biased. And if it is biased and advocates a particular stance or position on a matter then they by all accounts should print and state that. They have a duty to disclose that their publication is in fact biased and prejudiced.

It is a free service. The information is easily edited by just about anyone. Caveat emptor. I think you may have a point, I just don't care that much.

[ks3484]

It is a free service. The information is easily edited by just about anyone. Caveat emptor. I think you may have a point, I just don't care that much.

Well, to each his own.

[YNOT]

Ya know, it occurred to me that John Lear would probably prevail if he pursued a defamation case against Wikipedia because of what they have written, and the way that they have written about him. 

Hmmm. I think that I'll contact him to see what he thinks about it.   





Defamation, Libel & Slander

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Good luck with that...Wikipedia is owned by Wikimedia
And in most cases wikimedia has been exempt from what the public puts on there
In the same way that MV is not responsible for our content ( for the most part)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litigation_involving_the_Wikimedia_Foundation

Most sites like this our protected by section 230 of the Communications Decency Act
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act

If he has a case, it would be against the editors of the article.
Any attorneys want to chime in?

[SredniVashtar]

Ya know, it occurred to me that John Lear would probably prevail if he pursued a defamation case against Wikipedia because of what they have written, and the way that they have written about him. 

Hmmm. I think that I'll contact him to see what he thinks about it.   

I think people who call themselves 'ufologists' deserves more or less all they get. Most of them (with a few exceptions) are pretty humourless and prone to weird obsessions about their particular patch, so anyone who doesn't believe their patented interpretation of Roswell, for instance, is automatically an enemy. 'Nuts' is the kindest word for them.

Also, who gives a shit?

[CornyCrow]

Frankly, I care about all these programs.  Any topic that is shunned or not covered adequately by the mainstream should be fair game.  Not all topics are going to be loved by all of us.  What cements all these shows together is a good host who has a good knowledge of each and who can MAKE it entertaining, by asking the right questions and stimulating thought.  I really don't think New Age should be off limits, or should supplements.  I watch VICE on tv and think the water problems all over the globe should get more air time.  There are only so many guests available for UFO and unexplained phenomenon. 

I remember that there were many times in which I thought Art's guest sounded boring, but when I tuned in, Art MADE it interesting.  I think this sort of programming depends more on a great host than on the topic.  That seems to be counter-intuitive, but has panned out that way for me.

[shamrock]

People are funny, they either love or hate something like Mel's hole, But they sure do remember it a Decade later. The good ones evoke strong emotions of one kind or another. One thing for sure, you only get that sort of thing in open lines because it would never make it past a Producer or for that matter a call screener. Not everything has to make it past the cold reality test, what fun would that be? If that is what you want try PBS.

Art

Mel's hole and Bug's bigfoot story. Truly two classics Art. They are forever burned in my memory and were just so damned interesting whether they were true or not. I must admit though, I always did believe the sincerity in Bug's story.

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

Mel's Hole was great until it went off the rails. It was still a good story, but initially it was almost believable. Bug's story was great too and I wish he hadn't been "outed". I still love to hear it though. We would have never had the bizarre Dallas Thompson tale either on another program.

[NXOEED]

Seems I'm the only one who says "nay" to having mainstream scientists on Art's show. I can hear about that crap anywhere. It might be cool to find somebody who is a lesser-known scientist, but who is working (roughly) within the bounds of the current paradigm while suggesting something relatively radical.

I agree with this. Art's at his best when he's interviewing crackpots. Skeptics and rationalists ruin it for me. That's one of the reasons I've found it hard to get into a lot of the paranormal podcasts that are around today. Too many folks want to debunk everything they hear.

[Cwn Annwn]

I agree with this. Art's at his best when he's interviewing crackpots. Skeptics and rationalists ruin it for me. That's one of the reasons I've found it hard to get into a lot of the paranormal podcasts that are around today. Too many folks want to debunk everything they hear.

I'm on board with you!
I'd love to start a podcast that debunks debunking efforts by demolishing the assumptions that underlie various brands of local skepticism.

[Juan]

Hey Art,
Some people are never satisfied. Phone, computer, stream, shortwave and baby monitors are not enough for a friend of mine.  He wants to know if he can get your show on the fillings in his teeth.

[CornyCrow]

I'm on board with you!
I'd love to start a podcast that debunks debunking efforts by demolishing the assumptions that underlie various brands of local skepticism.

It was often very difficult for me to tell whether Art believed or was a skeptic.  He hit just the perfect note for both sides of his audience. 

[b_dubb]

I think people who call themselves 'ufologists' deserves more or less all they get. Most of them (with a few exceptions) are pretty humourless and prone to weird obsessions about their particular patch, so anyone who doesn't believe their patented interpretation of Roswell, for instance, is automatically an enemy. 'Nuts' is the kindest word for them.

Also, who gives a shit?

Agreed. Except for a few "eyewitness accounts" there's no real evidence for an event.  And the "facts" related to this event may well be the invention of people trying to sell a book. 

[WOTR]

I see your Rumsfeld and raise you a Chretien. 

[The General]

Mel's Hole was great until it went off the rails. It was still a good story, but initially it was almost believable. Bug's story was great too and I wish he hadn't been "outed". I still love to hear it though. We would have never had the bizarre Dallas Thompson tale either on another program.

The best bullshitters know when to stop.
If your story involves time-travelling Nazis or magic bracelets,
It's time to reel it back in a little.

[PING]

Original denizen, long absent...
think of me now as a comet on a random elliptical orbit...
Art gave space to possibility, not credence to dogma or ideology, per se, but space...
Twenty years later those heady days of wildness STILL resonate and THAT says volumes about the man
and what he gave life to, possibility.
The peculiarity of human existence and perception which resonates so vibrantly in this entire desire to have him back and recapture
what so magically occurred during his aegis may, in fact say more about us and our desire for that magic than about, him, a priori.
What he stood for seemed to be the infinite of the possible, against the societal limitations of the acceptably reasonable.
A counter-culture of reasonable doubt of accepted perception-by-revealed-diktat.
And, given the current and  much more all-invasive, non-stop, media guerre a outrance against perception heresy, the Art nostalgia becomes all-that-much-more-justified.
Our beloved Art sits in a unique position, given technology and its concomitant effects on the speed of history:
He has become a profoundly admired and fondly remembered nostalgic and prophetic touchstone of the past, and, through the alchemical speed of technology and perception of history, an eagerly anticipated messiah of wisdom whose return is awaited breathlessly...and he has achieved both in one lifetime.  THAT, my friends, is some powerful goddamned magic-fu!

^^^ What he said! This clip sums up your eloquence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfzMqwltHk

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

The best bullshitters know when to stop.
If your story involves time-travelling Nazis or magic bracelets,
It's time to reel it back in a little.

Did  you just grow a moustache?

[The General]

Did  you just grow a moustache?

maybe

[aldousburbank]

The best bullshitters know when to stop.
If your story involves time-travelling Nazis or magic bracelets,
It's time to reel it back in a little.

Never go full tard.

[Ghost Gab]

Wow, it's been a very long time since I have logged in, although I have been reading these posts about once a week or so. Good to see Art getting back on track. Kris and I will be getting back into the paranormal venues and our Ghost Gab podcasts too! We are excited. I see Falkie has been branching out also. Good for him.
Hey Art, don't forget about Maj Ed Dames. I really enjoyed listening to you and him discuss remote viewing. I thought about getting him to help me find our password for BG, just in case I couldn't find it... but I did. Also maybe a guest could be James McCanney, a person who is also very interesting about many unique science topics. Hello to all you Bell Gabbers, glad you are still going strong with Art returning soon! Later!

[Corona Kitty]

I have a recording of the Mels hole episode, i would listen every summer to it. Classic classic stuff.

[nooryisawesome]

Wow, it's been a very long time since I have logged in, although I have been reading these posts about once a week or so. Good to see Art getting back on track. Kris and I will be getting back into the paranormal venues and our Ghost Gab podcasts too! We are excited. I see Falkie has been branching out also. Good for him.
Hey Art, don't forget about Maj Ed Dames. I really enjoyed listening to you and him discuss remote viewing. I thought about getting him to help me find our password for BG, just in case I couldn't find it... but I did. Also maybe a guest could be James McCanney, a person who is also very interesting about many unique science topics. Hello to all you Bell Gabbers, glad you are still going strong with Art returning soon! Later!

Welcome back post more often.

I really don't see what dames could add. He has been proven wrong on just about everything. The only reason to have him on would be solely for nostalgia.
If it is remote viewing you are interested in, theirs are better guest.

[MV/Liberace!]

Wow, it's been a very long time since I have logged in, although I have been reading these posts about once a week or so. Good to see Art getting back on track. Kris and I will be getting back into the paranormal venues and our Ghost Gab podcasts too! We are excited. I see Falkie has been branching out also. Good for him.
Hey Art, don't forget about Maj Ed Dames. I really enjoyed listening to you and him discuss remote viewing. I thought about getting him to help me find our password for BG, just in case I couldn't find it... but I did. Also maybe a guest could be James McCanney, a person who is also very interesting about many unique science topics. Hello to all you Bell Gabbers, glad you are still going strong with Art returning soon! Later!

Hey there. Good to see you around.

[coaster]

The best bullshitters know when to stop.
If your story involves time-travelling Nazis or magic bracelets,
It's time to reel it back in a little.

There is a fine line between great story telling and stupid bullshit, and sadly, a lot of these guests run full speed towards that line and dive over it head first. A good example of knowing when to stop is Travis Walton. The opposite could be said of Jonathan Reed.  His alien in the freezer sending him new agey messages of peace and love... Over the line Smokey. Mark it zero, Dude.
this is the face of bullshit

[Corona Kitty]

There is a fine line between great story telling and stupid bullshit, and sadly, a lot of these guests run full speed towards that line and dive over it head first. A good example of knowing when to stop is Travis Walton. The opposite could be said of Jonathan Reed.  His alien in the freezer sending him new agey messages of peace and love... Over the line Smokey. Mark it zero, Dude.
this is the face of bullshit

Gonna use as my avatar soon thx

[coaster]

If Reed really wanted to make money, instead of making up bullshit he should sell advertising space on that giant forehead. That thing can be seen from the Pleiades.

[chinaclipper]

But for us Bell-nauts, the unknown is our calling.   We shall follow you Art, to whichever realms you roam. 

(I don't want to be a "bell-naut," that's a dumb name and not nearly weird/special enuf!)