George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[zeebo]

The difference between the two men is that Art is an artist, at least a craftsman, who is obviously motivated by love of what he does. He takes great pride in his work, and his reputation is of paramount importance to him. This is the mark of the consummate professional.

George on the other hand is a shill, an employee who pushes a product, who is motivated only by a paycheck. And it shows.

Exactly.  Art actually cares, and seems to relish in the craft itself.  He builds a world, an intriguing realm, and invites us along to experience it's mysteries.  Much like any artist such as a film-maker, painter, or writer, he strives to create something special and compelling. 

George just goes through the motions without passion or thoughtfulness.  I've often thought if the pay & notoriety were the same, George would be just as happy spinning oldies music, or hosting a lame video clip show, or selling electric food dehydrators.  He just does not seem emotionally or intellectually invested in the show's topics, and more importantly does not seem invested in giving his listeners something truly worthwhile.

[eddie dean]

Art and everyone else just want to put it all behind us. 

But before we do, I really hope Art tells the story, either all at once or in bits and pieces over several shows.  I think he's torn between wanting to and just letting it go.

I think Art needs to spill the beans about his "retirements" and his beef with PremRat at the very least. I don't want to use the word obligated here, but considering the numerous times he said "Stay Tuned"after dropping bombs of displeasure with how he was treated. I for one, would be disappointed if he didn't say anything.  Hell, I'm so excited he is coming back, if he decided to take the high road and say nothing, I would completely understand.
If he steers clear of any topic, it would be the Oates/Noory debacle and probably Noory in general.

[bmcintyre]

Art and everyone else just want to put it all behind us. 

But before we do, I really hope Art tells the story, either all at once or in bits and pieces over several shows.  I think he's torn between wanting to and just letting it go.


I think Art has to tell the full story now what with all the drama recently and the little hints here and there as to what went down. All cards should be laid on the table.
Maybe George could be Art's first guest! How about that for a show stopper/starter?

You mean Art talking in complete sentences and George saying his pet phrases or preening himself?

The Twilight zone guy got on my nerves.  Same old stuff every appearance about sucking up to Rod Serling's family, his favorite show, their favorite show, Rod's favorite show, George's favorite show; Rod was really a comedian, a clown really, very witty but very moral. 

[SciFiAuthor]

You rang?

[Sardondi]

You mean Art talking in complete sentences and George saying his pet phrases or preening himself?

The Twilight zone guy got on my nerves.  Same old stuff every appearance about sucking up to Rod Serling's family, his favorite show, their favorite show, Rod's favorite show, George's favorite show; Rod was really a comedian, a clown really, very witty but very moral.

"And the book...To Serve Man...was a cookbook!"

...George...does not seem emotionally or intellectually invested in the show's topics, and more importantly does not seem invested in giving his listeners something truly worthwhile.

Yep. "Mmmmm. I hope the Stop-A-Shop has my favorite turkey sandwich after I clock out tonight."

[SciFiAuthor]

Art's probably worried about lawsuit entanglements. Premiere's a corporation, they're probably litigious, so even if he might win, it would still create an entanglement. But, you know, if Noory keeps pushing.

Last night seemed to me like another poke at Art. Art said he wouldn't entertain truthers, and Noory went and entertained one on 9/11. That's how I took it, and did not listen as a consequence.

[NoMoreNoory]

Picked up the phone. Dialed 866-635-5020. Spent $43.27 for a 6 month Sirius subscription. Hung up the phone. Said out loud, "Fuck you George Noory!" 
Locked and loaded.
A-fucking-men!

[bmcintyre]

Art's probably worried about lawsuit entanglements. Premiere's a corporation, they're probably litigious, so even if he might win, it would still create an entanglement. But, you know, if Noory keeps pushing.

Last night seemed to me like another poke at Art. Art said he wouldn't entertain truthers, and Noory went and entertained one on 9/11. That's how I took it, and did not listen as a consequence.

Tell us why you like George Noory.

Last night was just boorish behavior, not a poke at Art.  I would hope that George's world does not revolve around Art; I know with certainty that it does not revolve around his listeners.

[SciFiAuthor]

Tell us why you like George Noory.

Last night was just boorish behavior, not a poke at Art.  I would hope that George's world does not revolve around Art; I know with certainty that it does not revolve around his listeners.

I don't, especially now. I've posted plenty that's been critical of him. But, he deserved a fair shot to face his detractors like anyone else. He initially showed a willingness to listen and implement suggestions, so deserved some defense against people who were too ignorant to see that. I provided that simply out of a sense of fair play and a hope to keep the public train wreck going for the entertainment value of it all.

I wasn't the only one that did, a good third of everyone else taking part in this thread also gave Noory some concessions. They were called ass kissers, of course. I struck nerves with how I wrote my posts; but, hello, author here. I'm supposed to know how to strike nerves and stir emotion in readers. I'd be an even shittier author than I already am if I didn't know how to do that. As people built a narrative around me suspecting me to be a PR representative, or Tommy, or whatever, I quietly denied it or turned it into a joke, but also stuck to the principle of "It's what you don't say" and let people punk themselves.

I said most of that at various times already. Read through my posts, it's all there. In the end, the only difference between me and you is that I haven't got a white whale to spear. To me, the two programs are on at different times. That's fantastic in my book, it means I don't have to listen to political talk at night. To you guys, it's something more. That always seemed self-defeating to the purpose of listening to radio to me, but whatever floats your boat.

As far as Noory, all of that was before Oates. After Oates, he showed a very dark side. I'm less interested in remaining a listener as a result.

So there you have it. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and everything is as it seems. On that note, I must get back to work. 

[SaucyRossy]

This deserves a repost from the Art Bell thread.

This is from TIME MAGAZINE!!! (i am going to buy this issue if the story is in it)

I love this quote

"Bell says the decision to come out of retirement was entirely his, a response to the direction that Noory has taken the show--closer to talk radio's overcaffeinated political chat (Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist best known for claiming that the government perpetrated the Boston bombings, is a regular guest) than the open-minded exploration of the supernatural that defined Bell's tenure. Noory, he says, has "ruined" the franchise. Noory declined to speak to Time; a spokesperson for his syndicator, Premiere Networks, said the company is "fortunate" to have him.

"Not a chance in hell," Bell says, when asked if he would ever return to his old show. "It's not personal. It's just an institutional hatred. I really hate them."

I hope you don't mind me posting this - it is from the subscriber content at Time.com - a pretty great article/interview with Art that they just posted, and it includes some pretty exciting tidbits about the show. Again, my apologies if posting something this long is frowned upon here.

Insomniac Radio King Art Bell Reclaims His Crown
The curious voice of late-night America returns to the airwaves
By Jack Dickey / Pahrump Monday, Sept. 23, 2013

Read more: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2151794,00.html#ixzz2ehU9iB4g

Not much happens in the patch of the Mojave Desert an hour's drive west of Las Vegas' nonstop carnival. It's hot during the day. Most nights the sky fills with stars. Sometimes there's a lightning or dust storm.

But since July, two events have shaken the typically sleepy region. After decades of obfuscation, the CIA acknowledged the existence and location of Area 51, a base for testing secret military aircraft that has long been central to UFO lore. And Art Bell, whose late-night radio show once attracted an audience of millions of loyal insomniacs, announced he was returning to the airwaves full time after more than 10 years away.

For Bell fans, the timing wasn't a coincidence. They are the sort of people inclined to believe the government knows more about mysterious shapes in the sky than it lets on. Bell has been speaking and listening to them since 1984, broadcasting first from Las Vegas and then, after 1988, from a studio in his home in Pahrump, an unincorporated town of 36,441 not far from Area 51.

From 1 a.m. to 6 a.m. E.T., six days a week, Bell held forth on all manner of science, science fiction and science-maybe-fiction in his smoky, spooky voice. He was a one-man band, cuing the bumper music, taking calls and interviewing guests entirely on his own, explaining everything from clairvoyance to the chupacabra in a relaxed but foreboding style. From 1997 to 2002, his Coast to Coast AM was one of the five most-listened-to shows on talk radio, syndicated to as many as 500 North American stations and attracting a peak weekly audience of 15 million. Then Bell walked away.

Bell had taken breaks before, most notably a two-week spell in 1998 after his son was molested by a teacher and a longer one in 2000 to deal with the ongoing fallout. When he retired in 2002, Bell agreed to host weekends, saying the lighter load would ease his back problems. Weeknights were ceded to George Noory, his eventual successor. As Noory took command, Bell's hosting duties gradually tapered off. He last appeared on the show he created in 2010.

Bell says the decision to come out of retirement was entirely his, a response to the direction that Noory has taken the show--closer to talk radio's overcaffeinated political chat (Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist best known for claiming that the government perpetrated the Boston bombings, is a regular guest) than the open-minded exploration of the supernatural that defined Bell's tenure. Noory, he says, has "ruined" the franchise. Noory declined to speak to Time; a spokesperson for his syndicator, Premiere Networks, said the company is "fortunate" to have him.

"Not a chance in hell," Bell says, when asked if he would ever return to his old show. "It's not personal. It's just an institutional hatred. I really hate them."

But he still loves radio, and listeners still love him. And that's why, at age 68, after a sojourn in the Philippines, Bell is back in Pahrump preparing for his return. From a studio in a double-wide trailer on his property, the onetime king of insomniac radio is working out the kinks of what will debut Sept. 16 on Sirius XM satellite radio as Art Bell's Dark Matter. It will run live from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. E.T., four nights a week (reruns will air the rest of the week), though Bell says he plans to go an extra hour most nights, putting his new show in competition with the first hour of his old one. Dark Matter will feel familiar to Coast fans: Bell plans to cover the same topics, with many of the same guests, and he's even recruited the old Coast announcer to set the mood.

But more than a decade away can sow doubts, even among the best. "Memories grow fond over time," Bell says, fretting over his return. "My listeners may remember me being better than I was."

Talking Through the Night

America's overnight army--insomniacs, long-haul truckers, emergency-room nurses--need something to keep them company while the rest of the country sleeps. Radio has long been a willing companion. The format favors good listeners and drawn-out discussion, an even keel over daytime's hot temper.

Long John Nebel, a New York City--based disc jockey, dominated the overnight air in the 1960s with a call-in show heavy on tales of ghosts, aliens and witches, according to Michael Keith, an expert in radio and American culture at Boston College. The supernatural gave way to political chat in the 1970s, with Larry King as the standard-bearer. But King's move to daytime in 1993 opened the door for a return of the weird, and Bell burst through it.

He moved away from politics and embraced the solitude of the night and the possibility of the desert. Who better to talk about Area 51, after all, than the man broadcasting from its shadow, who claimed to have seen things out there "that'd make your hair curl"?

Simply listening to Bell, though, could make your hair curl. It wasn't just the creepy topics--aliens, monsters, life after death, parallel universes--but the way he milked the theater of every moment. Callers often sounded impatient, breathless, as if they knew too much and were running out of time to share it. You, almost certainly alone somewhere in the dark, were scared. You had to be.

Bell ministered to the overnight army and added a large contingent of sci-fi junkies to its ranks. In the days before everyone had endless microtargeted media options on demand, Bell pitched a very big tent. And that audience remained during Bell's years away, hungry for his return. Every vague comeback rumor was met with a flurry of online anticipation.

That's what Sirius XM was after. Satellite radio's business model relies on hosts with fans passionate enough to pay for a subscription. The company had been hunting for an "Art Bell type," says Jeremy Coleman, Sirius XM's boss of talk programming. "Then I had one of those 'Duh' moments. What about actual Art Bell?" Coleman got to "stalking" Bell on social media, eventually paying to send him a priority message on Facebook. Coleman's pitch: "I told him that the show would work only if he actually spoke the truth ... We want one thing from Art Bell, and it's Art Bell."

Bell, who had resisted comeback offers from smaller syndicators, was sold. "I'm on extraterrestrial radio now," he says, relishing the turn of phrase.

Though the deal was modest by his standards--Bell says he'll earn $75,000 annually, plus half of the show's profits for three years--he was drawn by the freedom it offered: few commercial breaks, total creative control and the chance to prove that his brand of weird still has a following among America's overworked and underslept.

The audience for conspiracies and antigovernment screeds is vast, but Bell says he doesn't want them. "George can keep them," Bell says with a smile. He's after a different demographic: "The sane fringe."

On a recent August day, bell seems in better shape than he was the last time he was on the air regularly. He traded his Marlboro Lights for electronic cigarettes, and his 29-year-old fourth wife Airyn and their 6-year-old daughter Asia keep him spry. He looks like a droopier version of his 1990s self--not a bad outcome given the hours he keeps. (Bell never goes to bed before 2 a.m.) He says his time abroad rejuvenated him too. He moved to Manila to marry Airyn in 2006, three months after his wife's unexpected death from an asthma attack.

Night has long since fallen over the Kingdom of Nye, as Bell called his home county in the old Coast intro. The sky is pitch black; just a few stars are bright enough to slice through the inky pall. Normally you can see the Milky Way, but the unseasonable humidity, Bell says, has ruined the view.

"You know," he says, "I wish you had come on another night, to see it for yourself. It's really something." But it's not an option. I'll just have to take Art Bell's word for it.

[bmcintyre]

I don't, especially now. I've posted plenty that's been critical of him. But, he deserved a fair shot to face his detractors like anyone else. He initially showed a willingness to listen and implement suggestions, so deserved some defense against people who were too ignorant to see that. I provided that simply out of a sense of fair play and a hope to keep the public train wreck going for the entertainment value of it all.

I wasn't the only one that did, a good third of everyone else taking part in this thread also gave Noory some concessions. They were called ass kissers, of course. I struck nerves with how I wrote my posts; but, hello, author here. I'm supposed to know how to strike nerves and stir emotion in readers. I'd be an even shittier author than I already am if I didn't know how to do that. As people built a narrative around me suspecting me to be a PR representative, or Tommy, or whatever, I quietly denied it or turned it into a joke, but also stuck to the principle of "It's what you don't say" and let people punk themselves.

I said most of that at various times already. Read through my posts, it's all there. In the end, the only difference between me and you is that I haven't got a white whale to spear. To me, the two programs are on at different times. That's fantastic in my book, it means I don't have to listen to political talk at night. To you guys, it's something more. That always seemed self-defeating to the purpose of listening to radio to me, but whatever floats your boat.

As far as Noory, all of that was before Oates. After Oates, he showed a very dark side. I'm less interested in remaining a listener as a result.

So there you have it. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and everything is as it seems. On that note, I must get back to work.

Okay, if you read my past posts, you would understand why I called you a "slow learner."  This Thread is called "George Noory Sucks..." not "Let Us Ponder George's Weaknesses and Strengths," or "Are We Being Unfair to George?" Now, get back to your spell-check.

[SciFiAuthor]

Okay, if you read my past posts, you would understand why I called you a "slow learner."  This Thread is called "George Noory Sucks..." not "Let Us Ponder George's Weaknesses and Strengths," or "Are We Being Unfair to George?" Now, get back to your spell-check.

The description "irreconcilably narrow" comes to mind as a retort. Ah well, be sure to write Art a note about being off topic with his post, and MV for saying George was welcome.   

[bmcintyre]

The description "irreconcilably narrow" comes to mind as a retort. Ah well, be sure to write Art a note about being off topic with his post, and MV for saying George was welcome.

Hey, I'm just a "bottomfeeder."  Ask George.

[SciFiAuthor]

Hey, I'm just a "bottomfeeder."  Ask George.

Yes, that was inaccurate. You feed on dolphins. They're more of a near-surface sea creature.

[bateman]

The dolphin's posts really are bizarre. Come Monday, this part of the board will likely become a smoldering ghost town though. 

[san miguel]

Thought I'd share this video in the GNS thread in case some people overlooked it below.  It really shows Noory's true colors toward the end when he gets snarky.

Even though it's goofball Glenn Beck, this might be the only time George has expressed strong disagreement about anything on his show.  If I recall correctly, Beck gave Noory a prime time interview on CNN about his book, Worker in the Light.  Noory returned the favor by interviewing Beck and airing it in the final segment of a Friday night show.

AMAZING: George Noory strongly disagrees with a guest (Glenn Beck)

[bmcintyre]

The dolphin's posts really are bizarre. Come Monday, this part of the board will likely become a smoldering ghost town though. 

Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.  .

[Meanandnasty]

You rang?

Problems abound.  Due to Obama care they have cut the work week to less than thirty hours a week for employees at Sea World.  Total hours will hover around twenty-hours per week for employees, I am not sure if that includes porpoises.  That will mean less hours clapping  your flippers and less hours of putting on porpoise shows by jumping through hoops, but it appears that you do that for Mr. Noory on this thread.  With all of the brewhaha stirring you should be able to pick up extra hours posting in Mr. Noory's defense.

If you truly are a science fiction writer maybe you should attend one of his meet and greets and give him one of your books for him to browse.  You may be fishing for a guest spot?

[SaucyRossy]

Thought I'd share this video in the GNS thread in case some people overlooked it below.  It really shows Noory's true colors toward the end when he gets snarky.

I saw your post, I didn't comment on it cus your example is laughable. He didn't even say those things while he was on with Glenn he said it after the interview was recorded and it was bland covering his ass crap.

That was NOT him having a back bone, it's called being PC.

[zeebo]

The dolphin's posts really are bizarre. Come Monday, this part of the board will likely become a smoldering ghost town though. 

This thread does not seem as fun to me anymore.  First Gnoory shows up, and wow that guy really knows how to kill a good time.  Then various instigators and malcontents troll up endless rounds of explanations, clarifications, accusations, and recriminations.  What the heck, I just showed up for the goofy photoshop pics.   :

[NoMoreNoory]

You rang?

Never mind. Wrong number. Sorry to bother you.

[bmcintyre]

 

Never mind. Wrong number. Sorry to bother you.

Pretty good!

[Roy Hinkley]

Thought I'd share this video in the GNS thread in case some people overlooked it below.  It really shows Noory's true colors toward the end when he gets snarky.

Even though it's goofball Glenn Beck, this might be the only time George has expressed strong disagreement about anything on his show.  If I recall correctly, Beck gave Noory a prime time interview on CNN about his book, Worker in the Light.  Noory returned the favor by interviewing Beck and airing it in the final segment of a Friday night show.

AMAZING: George Noory strongly disagrees with a guest (Glenn Beck)

Yeah, he really made it a point to say he didn't agree with Beck on a lot of his views.  This is why I think its funny people think Dave is so right-wing.  Didn't sound like he wanted to be associated with Beck's views at all.

[nooryisawesome]

I agree I am done with c2c have been for five years.
I only recently started listening again after finding this forum. The SOLE reason I was listening was to listen to how bad it has gotten. Too be honest I was SHOCKED that c2c has fallen so far in quality. I kept tuning in for a few months just to listen to the stupid stuff Noory would say. A few weeks ago, I couldnt take it anymore and stopped listening.

I used to be a nightly listener of Art dating back to the CBC era.
I am now done with c2c, George has ruined it.

[Roy Hinkley]

In case you missed it last night, the part where Mazzucco laughs at Dave is freaking hilarious.  It won't do it justice without the audio clip, but here's what was said:

Dave (interrupting the guest): Why…Well, why haven’t they reohmpened an investigation?

Mazzucco:  (laughing at Dave) Are you serious?  This is a serious question?

Dave:  It sure is.

Mazzucco:  Of course.  Uh, why….

The guy was just flat out laughing at Dave's question.  "This is a serious question?"  Bwaa haaa haaaa.  Its always a good sign for an interview when the guest is laughing at the host and making fun of him.

[George Drooly]

One thing I remember right after 9-11 is Art saying he would not entertain any conspiracy theories about it whatsoever as he felt it would be disrespectful to the victims and their families.

Preposterous. It's more respectful to the dead (and the living) to find out the truth, to expect honesty from our governments. Of course it's also foolish to expect that, as it will never happen. Honoring the dead is a false notion; we should honor and protect and respect the living.

[bmcintyre]

The description "irreconcilably narrow" comes to mind as a retort. Ah well, be sure to write Art a note about being off topic with his post, and MV for saying George was welcome.

You have ordained yourself as arbiter of this thread; why don't you do it?
I am just frustrated over being taken advantage of by a shill.

[san miguel]

I saw your post, I didn't comment on it cus your example is laughable. He didn't even say those things while he was on with Glenn he said it after the interview was recorded and it was bland covering his ass crap.

That was NOT him having a back bone, it's called being PC.

You misinterpreted my post. The title, "Who says George never disagrees with his guests?," was sarcastic. George made an ass out of himself.

[SaucyRossy]

You misinterpreted my post. The title, "Who says George never disagrees with his guests?," was sarcastic. George made an ass out of himself.

Ahhhhhhh well my bad!! Hahah

[bateman]

This thread does not seem as fun to me anymore.  First Gnoory shows up, and wow that guy really knows how to kill a good time.  Then various instigators and malcontents troll up endless rounds of explanations, clarifications, accusations, and recriminations.  What the heck, I just showed up for the goofy photoshop pics.   :

What, you didn't want to hear about his family's health concerns?

(Though I will say, denying he wears a rug was pretty effing funny)