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paladin1991

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 05, 2014, 12:58:44 AM
Isn't it depressing?  Why can't they take a few generations off and just farm or raise cows whatever they do on their down-time.  No more Bushes for at least the rest of the 21st century.
No more bush?

Fag.

Reported.


NowhereInTime

Jeb Bush will run, and he will win the GOP nomination.
I look forward to Hillary debating Jeb.

AZ/CO

Why does the newly elected congresswomen from Utah get to be the first African-American AND the first Haitian-American elected to that post? 

paladin1991

Quote from: NowhereInTime on November 05, 2014, 08:15:30 AM
Jeb Bush will run, and he will win the GOP nomination.
I look forward to Hillary debating Jeb.
Que the theme fm Sesame Street.

rparna

I agree with Eddie.

FLY C0NTRAILS BIG JETS

West Virginia was once a fairly deep blue state. 

Back when the D's represented the little guy, and union workers other than those in government unions - like coal miners.

On Tuesday Shelley Moore Capito (R) won the US Senate seat held by retiring Senator Jay Rockefeller (D).

On Tuesday the R's flipped the West Virginia State House from 53 D and 47 R to 64 R and 36 D.  On Tuesday the West Virginia State Senate went from 24 D and 10 R to 17-17.  Until a State Senator switched parties yesterday to give the Rs an 18-16 majority.


Perhaps we will see more of this across the US in the coming days.  Any office holder who's not a left-wing kook should switch - the national party appears to be permanently in the clutches of the despot 'Progressives'.

The other US Senator from West Virginia - currently a Democrat - would be well advised to switch parties to better represent his constituents.  Sen. Joe Manchin, clear some time on your schedule to meet with Mitch McConnell before casting any more unfortunate votes for Harry Reid in the upcoming Lame-duck session. 


eddie dean

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/27299227/2014/11/05/mcso-sheriff-arpaio-sues-for-2013-fall

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If you remember in 2013 Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio was hospitalized when he broke his arm.

He was sidelined from his every day duties for a while and now FOX 10 has learned Arpaio has filed a lawsuit asking for his medical bills to be paid.

Arpaio is suing the property owners of the downtown Phoenix building where he tripped and fell.

He claims that there was a piece of metal sticking out of the sidewalk and a drainage grate and he tripped over it.

This is what Arpaio said about the fall back in 2013 in a video released by the Sheriff's Office.

"What happened is I blame myself, I fell and I broke my arm... tell you one thing I wouldn't reccomend that situation to anyone" said Arpaio.

Arpaio is seeking damages including pain & suffering and physical injury in addition to his medical bills. 

His attorneys say they have tried to resolve this before resorting to a lawsuit. It alleges one count of neglience against the property owners.

The property owners declined comment, pending litigation.

Quote from: AZ/CO on November 05, 2014, 09:21:07 AM
Why does the newly elected congresswomen from Utah get to be the first African-American AND the first Haitian-American elected to that post?
Maybe there should be demands she produce her birth certificate.

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on November 06, 2014, 09:40:26 PM
Maybe there should be demands she produce her birth certificate.

Why?  The requirements for a House member are 1) 25 years of age, 2) a US citizen at least 7 years, and 3) a resident of the State that elects her

Does anyone dispute or question she's age 25 or over?

AZ/CO

My irritation is in her description:      "*insert desired origin* - American"

I'm sure she has met all requirements to hold the position, and she was born in Brooklyn
I don't begrudge her heritage, but shouldn't she be one or the other?

Or, I could stop being irritated and add different monikers to my "American"

Italian-American
Caucaisan-American
Brunette-American
Labarador-Retriever-owning-American
Television-Watcher-While-Cooking-American
Voted-By-Early-Ballot-Because-I-Was-Traveling-American

albrecht

Quote from: AZ/CO on November 07, 2014, 07:37:00 AM
My irritation is in her description:      "*insert desired origin* - American"

I'm sure she has met all requirements to hold the position, and she was born in Brooklyn
I don't begrudge her heritage, but shouldn't she be one or the other?

Or, I could stop being irritated and add different monikers to my "American"

Italian-American
Caucaisan-American
Brunette-American
Labarador-Retriever-owning-American
Television-Watcher-While-Cooking-American
Voted-By-Early-Ballot-Because-I-Was-Traveling-American
Actually with the new data-mining, focus group analysis, and social media tracking the political parties ARE breaking down people into such things and targeting "mini" campaign mailers, emails, and internet ad based on minutiae of criteria. The Democrats bragged about this system and were far ahead of the Republicans. But I think since then the Republicans have improved their campaign (hard to tell since much of this election was primarily an "anti-Obama" vote as opposed to a "yes" vote for a candidate or issue, at least I think.) Although the "meta" politics (at least on one side) focuses on the "major" divisive issues, like race, gender, sexuality these days they are specifically targeting down to more minor issues (like sending you, for example, a mailer with the politician petting a lab, watching tv, and mentioning to his dog about her upcoming trip.) Sort of scary and companies do it also (remember the dad who found out his daughter was pregnant because she started getting mailers from some store (Walmart/Target) for pregnancy stuff? She bought a pregnancy test kit, they tagged that purchase and sent her ads/coupons for diapers, wipes, etc.)


Quote from: Paper*Boy on November 07, 2014, 02:00:10 AM
Why?  The requirements for a House member are 1) 25 years of age, 2) a US citizen at least 7 years, and 3) a resident of the State that elects her

Does anyone dispute or question she's age 25 or over?
It was a "birther" joke.  Thought that was obvious, but I guess not.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on November 07, 2014, 08:07:46 AM
It was a "birther" joke.  Thought that was obvious, but I guess not.
He's just hyperearnest.  It's a frontal lobe thing.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: VtaGeezer on November 07, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
He's just hyperearnest.  It's a frontal lobe thing.


Is he? I thought he was just being deliberately obtuse. But I'm willing to take hyperearnest into my cannon of vocabulary and use it at a later stage. Thank you.  :)

Quote from: AZ/CO on November 07, 2014, 07:37:00 AM
My irritation is in her description:      "*insert desired origin* - American"...

The hyphenating irritates me to, whoever does it

People are going to tell their life story when running for office (except for, you know), and her heritage is part of that, but my guess is the hyphenated labels have either been applied by the Media, or are descriptions she has used in passing.

I imagine she considers herself a plain ol' unhyphenated American.





NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on November 06, 2014, 04:55:18 PM
West Virginia was once a fairly deep blue state. 

Back when the D's represented the little guy, and union workers other than those in government unions - like coal miners.

On Tuesday Shelley Moore Capito (R) won the US Senate seat held by retiring Senator Jay Rockefeller (D).

On Tuesday the R's flipped the West Virginia State House from 53 D and 47 R to 64 R and 36 D.  On Tuesday the West Virginia State Senate went from 24 D and 10 R to 17-17.  Until a State Senator switched parties yesterday to give the Rs an 18-16 majority.


Perhaps we will see more of this across the US in the coming days.  Any office holder who's not a left-wing kook should switch - the national party appears to be permanently in the clutches of the despot 'Progressives'.

The other US Senator from West Virginia - currently a Democrat - would be well advised to switch parties to better represent his constituents.  Sen. Joe Manchin, clear some time on your schedule to meet with Mitch McConnell before casting any more unfortunate votes for Harry Reid in the upcoming Lame-duck session.
A lot of us progressives see the repudiation of liberal/progressive politics last Tuesday as exposing our own short-sightedness. We forgot that inclusive means "everybody".  We have left working class whites behind and we need to bring that important constituency back.  Your comment, Paper*Boy, demonstrates the fact that we were so busy trying to build our Latino, under-30, black, and single mother coalition we forgot white working class people. 
People who put their faith in us to look out for them, and we let them down.  Sure, we did affordable care but we never explained it.  We promised immigration reform so they wouldn't feel pressure from unchecked illegals driving down wages, and we never really tried to pass it.  We promised minimum wage build, something we could sell to conservatives in conjunction with cutting corporate tax rates, but we never really pushed it legislatively, either.
We assumed we could use these issues as wedge for the campaign and it exploded in our faces.  We were hypocrites because we cry about governance then sat on all our major issues.
Lesson learned.  The next two years will be, if we are smart, a loving group hug to working class whites.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on November 07, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
A lot of us progressives see the repudiation of liberal/progressive politics last Tuesday as exposing our own short-sightedness. We forgot that inclusive means "everybody".  We have left working class whites behind and we need to bring that important constituency back.  Your comment, Paper*Boy, demonstrates the fact that we were so busy trying to build our Latino, under-30, black, and single mother coalition we forgot white working class people. 
People who put their faith in us to look out for them, and we let them down.  Sure, we did affordable care but we never explained it.  We promised immigration reform so they wouldn't feel pressure from unchecked illegals driving down wages, and we never really tried to pass it.  We promised minimum wage build, something we could sell to conservatives in conjunction with cutting corporate tax rates, but we never really pushed it legislatively, either.
We assumed we could use these issues as wedge for the campaign and it exploded in our faces.  We were hypocrites because we cry about governance then sat on all our major issues.
Lesson learned.  The next two years will be, if we are smart, a loving group hug to working class whites.

It would be great if we could get to the point where we had a fully inclusive government and two parties that strove for that.  Without all the race-baiting and the rest, and with both parties no longer catering to the worst inclinations of Wall Street and the rest of the leeches sucking us dry.

But it's impossible, for example, to have a policy of eliminating coal fired energy plants, but still support the working class coal miners in West Virginia - and all the rest of the people who work for or own companies that depend on them having wages to spend

It's impossible to flood the country with unskilled poor people from the third world, but protect the lower paying and entry level jobs that many of our own citizens need.

Obama's comments yesterday indicate all of this went in one ear and out the other.  Because he's an ideologue.  Maybe the good hearted people like you in the Democrat Party want what you said, but the President doesn't.  The Party leaders in DC don't.


You mentioned using issues as wedge issues, instead of passing needed legislation.  Wouldn't it be great if they (the DC politicians) stopped playing politics and started working on addressing the issues we face as a nation.  The people are ready, but we probably need 2 new parties to replace the 2 old sick pathetic ones we have now.

 


Quote from: b_dubb on November 07, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/26338/53/

Vlad makes sense

Putin says he doesn't want to play games.  This is the same guy who said thousands of unmarked Russian troops in Ukraine could have bought their uniforms anywhere?

AZ/CO

Quote from: albrecht on November 07, 2014, 07:45:14 AM
Actually with the new data-mining, focus group analysis, and social media tracking the political parties ARE breaking down people into such things and targeting "mini" campaign mailers, emails, and internet ad based on minutiae of criteria. The Democrats bragged about this system and were far ahead of the Republicans. But I think since then the Republicans have improved their campaign (hard to tell since much of this election was primarily an "anti-Obama" vote as opposed to a "yes" vote for a candidate or issue, at least I think.) Although the "meta" politics (at least on one side) focuses on the "major" divisive issues, like race, gender, sexuality these days they are specifically targeting down to more minor issues (like sending you, for example, a mailer with the politician petting a lab, watching tv, and mentioning to his dog about her upcoming trip.) Sort of scary and companies do it also (remember the dad who found out his daughter was pregnant because she started getting mailers from some store (Walmart/Target) for pregnancy stuff? She bought a pregnancy test kit, they tagged that purchase and sent her ads/coupons for diapers, wipes, etc.)

Wow!  I had not heard about the dad/daughter/pregnancy use of the data mining, that is scary.  Good point about the overall use of the amount of personal data out there.  If the people are giving it up for free, the marketers may as well take it

AZ/CO

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on November 07, 2014, 08:07:46 AM
It was a "birther" joke.  Thought that was obvious, but I guess not.

It made me laugh.  But again, I was too busy being irritated to give you credit.  I will lighten up

analog kid

Quote from: NowhereInTime on November 05, 2014, 08:15:30 AM
Jeb Bush will run, and he will win the GOP nomination.
I look forward to Hillary debating Jeb.

Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that?

NowhereInTime

Quote from: analog kid on November 08, 2014, 06:12:05 AM
Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that?
I know.  On the surface it seems asinine.  However, Clinton & Bush fatigue aside, these are two of the more intelligent and policy-aware people either party has.  (Sad commentary.) It's inevitable that Hillary is the Dem nod and, if Jeb wants in, he will have the entire GOP establishment, and lots of Pioneer money, to push him to the top.
At least there's a legitimate chance for policy debate rather than "blew-clin-sky" or "wmd" tedium.
I felt naïve even typing that.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on November 08, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
... Clinton & Bush...

I'm not sure anyone would even vote.  Maybe the Hilary wing of the NOW gang, and active members of the Bush cartel

Hasn't history show the early front runners tend to not end up with the nomination?


analog kid

Quote from: NowhereInTime on November 08, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
I know.  On the surface it seems asinine.  However, Clinton & Bush fatigue aside, these are two of the more intelligent and policy-aware people either party has.  (Sad commentary.) It's inevitable that Hillary is the Dem nod and, if Jeb wants in, he will have the entire GOP establishment, and lots of Pioneer money, to push him to the top.
At least there's a legitimate chance for policy debate rather than "blew-clin-sky" or "wmd" tedium.
I felt naïve even typing that.

I agree that it's probably going to come down to those two. Jeb is running, and his brother and father have already joined his campaign. I'm sure he'll play the fear card though. He's a founding member of the neocon group that Cheney and Rumsfeld were also members of. They're the guys who served us the Iraq war, with their talk of mushroom clouds in every city and dirty bombs under every bed. If he wins, we might even get treated to the return of the Terror Threat Level Index, permanently on Elevated Orange.

Hillary is a soulless, blank automaton at this point. When I listen to her talk, I sense no presence of an actual human left in her empty husk.

I'll vote for Hillary over a neocon or a fundamentalist Tea Party candidate though. Even though she's only marginally better than the former.

Quote from: analog kid on November 08, 2014, 12:45:06 PM
...with their talk of mushroom clouds in every city and dirty bombs under every bed...

Is it Christmas already?


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