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albrecht

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 08:02:42 PM
"Death panel"? Did you get that from Sarah Palin? That was one of her Obamacare talking points.
Rationing happens in every system. The difference is how it occurs and how far the rationing goes (like the Liverpool Protocol etc.) Because there is scarcity this must occur in some form. The question is how the rationing is done: based on price, the market, the person, the region, the procedure, the age/health, the risk, population density, urgency of demand (triage situations,) what kind of medical specialists to educate and place, etc. And what combination of the aforementioned.  And who is making the decision? An insurance company, a hospital, a government (and at what level,) the patient, etc.


Donald Noory

Quote from: albrecht on October 25, 2016, 08:12:05 PM
Rationing happens in every system. The difference is how it occurs and how far the rationing goes (like the Liverpool Protocol etc.) Because there is scarcity this must occur in some form. The question is how the rationing is done: based on price, the market, the person, the region, the procedure, the age/health, the risk, population density, urgency of demand (triage situations,) what kind of medical specialists to educate and place, etc. And what combination of the aforementioned.  And who is making the decision? An insurance company, a hospital, a government (and at what level,) the patient, etc.

I wonder if someone polled the people in Britain or Canada, and asked them if they'd rather have the government plans they currently receive, or if they'd rather get rid of it and go with the Wild West Free Market like the U.S. has, what would be their answer?

Part of the reason the people voted for Brexit in Britain is because liars convinced them they would put millions more into National Health. Guess the Brits like their National Health.

theONE

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 08:03:47 PM
What do they have in Mongolia? Yakcare? You eat the nutrient rich Yak shit for your well being?

no.. it's yak milk, yak cheese and we drink vodka made from yak's milk
"Mongol Arkhi" - Light liquor made from Isgelen Tarag
http://www.mongolfood.info/en/recipes/mongol-arkhi.html

Quote from: albrecht on October 25, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Good, we don't need the toxic model in certain Continental models in which "bosses" and management are always at odds and cross-purposes with the "workers." A good business takes care of the employees, shareholders, and management and seeks to grow benefits for all of them depending on their experience, motivation, and performance. Most people have had 'bad bosses' but, hopefully, most, or at least many, had good ones who recognized talent and hard work and maybe you took their job as they moved up or on. Or even like a mentor or apprenticeship or like the military where time/experience etc advances you through the ranks.

See, that's what we've lost in this country. Fair compensation, resonable expectations on the job and respect for both employee and employer. It's gotta go both ways, not just expecting one to take care of the other.

When employees are treated and compensated fairly, they usually don't care to get the unions involved. (I know, some go overboard with that.) It's when they are being taken advantage of that they need someone to help them out, for fairness sake. When they are paid fairly, they spend in the community which spreads the wealth to all and improves the infra-structure. Nowadays, too many businesses have either gotten very greedy or just can't do so because their overhead, including crazy high taxes, have gotten so out of control.

What Trump is proposing is supposed to help address some of these problems. Don't know if it will work. In fact, I'm sure it won't be as 'great' as he thinks it will be, but we've got to try something different than the typical old things that Shitlary is proposing which will only sink all of us; employer and employees alike, even further down the pit. That I do know.

albrecht

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 08:17:22 PM
I wonder if someone polled the people in Britain or Canada, and asked them if they'd rather have the government plans they currently receive, or if they'd rather get rid of it and go with the Wild West Free Market like the U.S. has, what would be their answer?

Part of the reason the people voted for Brexit in Britain is because liars convinced them they would put millions more into National Health. Guess the Brits like their National Health.
They do (for the most part. Doctors strike a lot.) But when I was there everyone I knew who had a kid had it in a private hospital (better care, own room, etc) but that was no indicative of most of the people's actions. But on the whole the majority like it. But healthcare is rationed there (like everywhere) and they are privatizing portions (some vehemently disagree with that) and there always was still private options for people with means or motivation. Much of the other "socialist" countries have similar schemes and like it. Though in some you have to buy private insurance as a part of the scheme. I can't recall know but I think in The Netherlands there was a cut-off point at some yearly guilder salary and you had to buy your own. But also rationing- and not just what you think- but also on medical school entry, what specialty you could study, and where you would be located post-graduation. This often didn't keep up as well as our more private system to demographic change (it was very hard for me to get a doctor or a dentist) because the lack of them for a time. Of course we make similar decisions via other methods and that is what it comes down to: who is making the rationing decisions and by what process and level? The biggest benefit is to corporations and companies because taking them out of the healthcare business let's them have less costs, HR needs, and that, along with their lower corporate tax-rate, makes them often more competitive over US businesses that need to negotiate health insurance for their employees, cut that off and deal with HR or illnesses with employees, and deal with our high corporate tax-rate.

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 08:11:33 PM
Remind me, what was the Republican healthcare plan they came up with during the 8 years that Bush was in office? Or how about that Ayn Rand-loving ass-sucker Paul Ryan? He has great ideas. Get rid of Medicare for seniors, and give them 15k vouchers, and when they run out of money, tough shit. Yeah, you Republicans have some great plans. Oh! I forgot the other grand plan. Allowing people to buy insurance across state lines! That'll really help! More "free market"!

Don't even try to pin those clowns on me. Never voted for any of them and never would. Pretty much agree with you there. Go back and read what I wrote about being an independent. Maybe you'll stop assuming so many wrong things about me. But I guess that would go against your whole oppositional personality disorder. Too bad. Maybe you should use some of that OshittyCare plan of yours and go get some counseling.

Donald Noory

Quote from: Astrid Galactic on October 25, 2016, 08:28:36 PM
Don't even try to pin those clowns on me. Never voted for any of them and never would. Pretty much agree with you there. Go back and read what I wrote about being an independent. Maybe you'll stop assuming so many wrong things about me. But I guess that would go against your whole oppositional personality disorder. Too bad. Maybe you should use some of that OshittyCare plan of yours and go get some counseling.

Oh, you're an "independent" but you're voting for Trump and you regurgitate all the lamest Republican talking points in here. Ok.

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 08:36:57 PM
Oh, you're an "independent" but you're voting for Trump and you regurgitate all the lamest Republican talking points in here. Ok.

Oh, come on Ricochet. I said independent, not dumbocrat. Mostly 3rd party but when I see either a good D or R, they'll get my vote. In this case, I know waaayyy too many horrid things about Hillary and how badly what she'd do would affect me... all of us. I'm not expecting much from Trump but I do know how badly things will get, as if they weren't already bad enough, if she wins. She scares the crap out of me! It's all about doing what I can to keep the crook out. That's it, plain and simple.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 25, 2016, 07:13:01 PM
There are always exceptions.  Seriously though what do you make of these now forbidden acts?  Some I understand, most I don't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

LOL.  Let me clarify.  Some I understand why they are forbidden, most  I don't.  I mean spanking, face-sitting, restraints.  C'mon.

albrecht

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 25, 2016, 08:55:56 PM
LOL.  Let me clarify.  Some I understand why they are forbidden, most  I don't.  I mean spanking, face-sitting, restraints.  C'mon.
I'm perplexed at "spanking" and "heavy whipping" being outlawed; this would presume that "normal" or "light" whipping is ok? And what about YP's outdoor food sex entertainment? I guess still legal, in some cases, depending on the food used and method?  ;)
That is the problem with porn and etc bans and sex laws. Hard to define where the cut-off points are, some often not prosecuted except in circumstances/plea-bargains or worse crimes with less evidence or bad victims, and as famous jurists opined, "I know it when I see it"- or something to that effect. Which is why I like "our" Anglo-American system, failures asides, where we have common law and juries/judges to see nuances, discretion by police and prosecutors, versus strict statute types of laws.

Quote from: albrecht on October 25, 2016, 09:02:16 PM
I'm perplexed at "spanking" and "heavy whipping" being outlawed; this would presume that "normal" or "light" whipping is ok? And what about YP's outdoor food sex entertainment? I guess still legal, in some cases, depending on the food used and method?  ;)
That is the problem with porn and etc bans and sex laws. Hard to define where the cut-off points are, some often not prosecuted except in circumstances/plea-bargains or worse crimes with less evidence or bad victims, and as famous jurists opined, "I know it when I see it"- or something to that effect. Which is why I like "our" Anglo-American system, failures asides, where we have common law and juries/judges to see nuances, discretion by police and prosecutors, versus strict statute types of laws.

I wonder if YP likes to sit on a cucumber now and then.  Or maybe he likes the squishy bananas. I would imagine the latter could get kind of messy.  As for me, I prefer whipped cream and other delights.

starrmtn001

Full Speech: Donald Trump MASSIVE Rally in Sanford, Florida (10/25/2016) Trump Sanford Speech.

https://youtu.be/KJyhVwEeDZA

starrmtn001

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Tallahassee, FL 10/25/16.

https://youtu.be/qdLQFPTXBPg

Donald Noory

Quote from: Astrid Galactic on October 25, 2016, 08:52:20 PM
Oh, come on Ricochet. I said independent, not dumbocrat. Mostly 3rd party but when I see either a good D or R, they'll get my vote. In this case, I know waaayyy too many horrid things about Hillary and how badly what she'd do would affect me... all of us. I'm not expecting much from Trump but I do know how badly things will get, as if they weren't already bad enough, if she wins. She scares the crap out of me! It's all about doing what I can to keep the crook out. That's it, plain and simple.

Sure Manananggal. You fly to the polling place and cast your vote for a narcissistic, over-privileged, sexist, racist, childish, megalomaniacal asshat who doesn't stand a chance of getting elected, and who would destroy the country even more than Bush did if he happened to get in. We'll see how that works out for you.

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 09:14:07 PM
Sure Manananggal. You fly to the polling place and cast your vote for a narcissistic, over-privileged, sexist, racist, childish, megalomaniacal asshat who doesn't stand a chance of getting elected, and who would destroy the country even more than Bush did if he happened to get in. We'll see how that works out for you.

What's a Manananggal?

He may be most of those things you said but so is Hillary... and then some. She's all about taking everything away from us for herself. At least Trump wants to try to help us gain some of the goods for ourselves. Not all that optimistic but, like I said, I know that we'll all lose even more if she gets in. We definitely cannot afford that at all.

Donald Noory

Quote from: Astrid Galactic on October 25, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
What's a Manananggal?

He may be most of those things you said but so is Hillary... and then some. She's all about taking everything away from us for herself. At least Trump wants to try to help us gain some of the goods for ourselves. Not all that optimistic but, like I said, I know that we'll all lose even more if she gets in. We definitely cannot afford that at all.

You know what an Aswang is but not Manananggal? I guess I should never underestimate your lack of knowledge.

albrecht

Quote from: starrmtn001 on October 25, 2016, 09:11:50 PM
LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Tallahassee, FL 10/25/16.

https://youtu.be/qdLQFPTXBPg
He has stamina! Thanks for posting. I'm trying to figure out how to carve an anti-Hillary Pumpkin and enjoyed some posts about Halloween displays featuring her. I would use that constant crackling/laughing Billary track that "Its Over" posted a while back on my outdoor speakers but, really, do I need to participate in ruining another holiday for kids? It is too scary!

Quote from: Donald Noory on October 25, 2016, 09:31:57 PM
You know what an Aswang is but not Manananggal? I guess I should never underestimate your lack of knowledge.

Oh, one of 'his' inventions. LOL. Honestly, I only glance through his posts.

starrmtn001

Quote from: starrmtn001 on October 25, 2016, 09:11:50 PM
LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Tallahassee, FL 10/25/16.


That stream was too pixilated.  This one is better.

https://youtu.be/fN_D5umqyoY


starrmtn001

Quote from: albrecht on October 25, 2016, 09:35:12 PM
He has stamina! Thanks for posting. I'm trying to figure out how to carve an anti-Hillary Pumpkin and enjoyed some posts about Halloween displays featuring her. I would use that constant crackling/laughing Billary track that "Its Over" posted a while back on my outdoor speakers but, really, do I need to participate in ruining another holiday for kids? It is too scary!
You are most welcome, Albrecht.  I would love to see that pumpkin when you finish it. ;)

albrecht

Quote from: starrmtn001 on October 25, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
You are most welcome, Albrecht.  I would love to see that pumpkin when you finish it. ;)
I'm likely to go with my usual, traditional carving. Not sure how to make an anti-Billary one and keep with tradition. Still so warm here putting it off cause once carved rot so quickly. But if I get inspired I will post.  ;) Got various decorations out and candy bought (why so $ this year- a cocoa shortage the Hanjin Line bankruptcy or marketing?) but Jack O' Lanterns last thing.

starrmtn001

Quote from: albrecht on October 25, 2016, 10:45:08 PM
I'm likely to go with my usual, traditional carving. Not sure how to make an anti-Billary one and keep with tradition. Still so warm here putting it off cause once carved rot so quickly. But if I get inspired I will post.  ;) Got various decorations out and candy bought (why so $ this year- a cocoa shortage the Hanjin Line bankruptcy or marketing?) but Jack O' Lanterns last thing.
I have faith that you will come up with a creative and appropriate idea for your carving.  I hope you post it. :D

Dr. MD MD

Don't laugh too hard but Donald Trump may be the ideal presidential candidate. Actually go ahead and laugh. It's good for you. There, now that you got that out of your system I'll continue.

When speaking about the kind of qualities of leadership that are ideal for democracy with various people over the years one pattern seems to have emerged: people want a leader who is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. This is Trump. We all know he used to be a Democrat and has, in fact, supported the Clintons in the past but the fact that he is a businessman makes him fiscally conservative. The best of both worlds.  ;)

P.S. I've heard it rumored that Trump may have actually benefited from some of this Clinton pay for play action himself in the past but that it will probably never come out because he is, apparently, very good at covering his tracks. While, if true some would use this info to indict him I think it speaks to a kind of masterful Kung Fu on his part. To be able to personally benefit from corruption and then use your knowledge of that corruption to bring it down and also benefit yourself (and hopefully your country) again is some fucking masterful Kung Fu and it's the kind we want and need him performing on the rest of the world as president.  ;)

WOTR

Quote from: starrmtn001 on October 25, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
That stream was too pixilated.  This one is better.

https://youtu.be/fN_D5umqyoY
I watched the first minute while it panned the crowd.  Out of the thousands shown, I did not notice a single person who was not white.  Please feel free to watch one minute, and tell me if I am wrong...  For somebody who says that "nobody cares about the black man like I do, and nobody would do more for them that I would", it seems like they aren't returning his love.

Like I had said- he gets out a good crowd.  However, if that crowd is indicative of his voter base he is completely sunk.  You cannot win on the old white male vote in America.  I keep hearing how the polls are "rigged"- but watching your videos makes me think that they are not.  He just does not have a diverse support base- or at least the only ones who care enough about him to waste a few hours of their day are very homogeneous. (I'd bet most of his supporter would not want to be referred to as homos.)  ;D

136 or 142

Quote from: WOTR on October 26, 2016, 04:28:16 AM
I watched the first minute while it panned the crowd.  Out of the thousands shown, I did not notice a single person who was not white.  Please feel free to watch one minute, and tell me if I am wrong...  For somebody who says that "nobody cares about the black man like I do, and nobody would do more for them that I would", it seems like they aren't returning his love.

Like I had said- he gets out a good crowd.  However, if that crowd is indicative of his voter base he is completely sunk.  You cannot win on the old white male vote in America.  I keep hearing how the polls are "rigged"- but watching your videos makes me think that they are not.  He just does not have a diverse support base- or at least the only ones who care enough about him to waste a few hours of their day are very homogeneous. (I'd bet most of his supporter would not want to be referred to as homos.)  ;D

I've taken part in political campaigns before.  This isn't something that the Clinton campaign puts out as an excuse for their low crowds, if, in fact they still are drawing low crowds, but I know that the campaign teams hate these events as they regard them as a waste of time, especially when they're attended by campaign workers who would be making better use of their time making phone calls or knocking on doors.

The Clinton campaign at one time claimed that it had around 1 million signed up to volunteer. So, if they discourage those people from attending the rallies, that would be one explanation for their low crowds.  When I wanted to attend an event I was told by the campaign manager "You signed up to deliver flyers for the candidate.  We want you doing that and not wasting your time at the rally."

"Here is a sample of our historic ground operation: more than 10 million people have gotten involved with the Democratic coordinated campaign, and more than 1 million people have signed up to volunteer, including half a million in battleground states alone."

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/democrats-are-more-prepared-than-ever-to-win-this-election/


In contrast, I doubt the Trump campaign even knows how many volunteers it has, let alone tries to prioritize their time. I have a Facebook friend who tried to volunteer for the Trump campaign in Hawaii (after I suggested it to him) and he called their office at least twice and nobody ever returned his call.

My friend gave up after this story came out:  Donald Trump volunteers are signing a lifelong contract never to criticize him

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/2/12769084/donald-trump-volunteers

136 or 142

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 26, 2016, 04:16:30 AM
Don't laugh too hard but Donald Trump may be the ideal presidential candidate. Actually go ahead and laugh. It's good for you. There, now that you got that out of your system I'll continue.

When speaking about the kind of qualities of leadership that are ideal for democracy with various people over the years one pattern seems to have emerged: people want a leader who is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. This is Trump. We all know he used to be a Democrat and has, in fact, supported the Clintons in the past but the fact that he is a businessman makes him fiscally conservative. The best of both worlds.  ;)

P.S. I've heard it rumored that Trump may have actually benefited from some of this Clinton pay for play action himself in the past but that it will probably never come out because he is, apparently, very good at covering his tracks. While, if true some would use this info to indict him I think it speaks to a kind of masterful Kung Fu on his part. To be able to personally benefit from corruption and then use your knowledge of that corruption to bring it down and also benefit yourself (and hopefully your country) again is some fucking masterful Kung Fu and it's the kind we want and need him performing on the rest of the world as president.  ;)

Trump could be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  He could also be socially conservative and fiscally liberal.  He's taken all sides on nearly all issues.  The greatest likelihood though is that Trump is none of those things because he has never seriously thought about any political issue.  I would have thought that that would have been the minimum demand that any voter would have of a candidate running for any office, let alone the Presidency.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 26, 2016, 04:52:04 AM
Trump could be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  He could also be socially conservative and fiscally liberal.  He's taken all sides on nearly all issues.  The greatest likelihood though is that Trump is none of those things because he has never seriously thought about any political issue.  I would have thought that that would have been the minimum demand that any voter would have of a candidate running for any office, let alone the Presidency.

Your posts are becoming the equivalent of static on a TV. I'm turning the channel now.  ;)

136 or 142

 ;)
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 26, 2016, 04:56:17 AM
Your posts are becoming the equivalent of static on a TV. I'm turning the channel now.  ;)

Your posts are much worse than that.  They have the logic of George Noory.  ;)

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