President Donald J. Trump

[Fringe Element]

Just curious, how many Trump fans still genuinely beleive he's going to win the election? Also hello, my first post.

[136 or 142]

Well, look the 50's for starters.  The massive Cold war buildup may have been partially responsible for the idyllic 50's when personal wealth increased substantially for everyone. Reagan also became president during a very poor period in our economy.  He increased defense spending greatly during the first five years of his presidency and an economic boom followed.  Again, I'm just saying that is one factor but not a small one, I think.

1950s:  U.S was the sole supplier to the world of mass market manufactured goods due to Europe being devastated by World War II and was also the #1 supplier for most resources as well. I believe even including oil at that time.

1980s: the U.S economy suffered in the late 1970s due to 'stagflation' as a result of the Federal Reserve's misunderstanding of the Phillips Curve.  Ronald Reagan gave Fed Chair Paul Volker free reign to 'whip inflation now' and, while that initially caused a major recession in the early 1980s, the relatively low inflation that followed increased market certainty which led to greater business investment on the supply side and the relative lack of spending for parts of the 1970s and the early 1980s led to pent up market demand on the demand side.

Highly unlikely the increased military spending had anything to do with any of that.

[albrecht]

She did not get knocked off the Nixon investigation. That is an outright lie.

Who knows? A lot of misremebering happens with these folks? Call it a "bump on the head" or booze syndrome.
"My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations."- Chief Counsel Jerry Zeifman
Later it was claimed he couldn't have fired her per his authority. Ha.
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/zeifman-20080404.pdf

[mikuthing01]

Just curious, how many Trump fans still genuinely beleive he's going to win the election? Also hello, my first post.

Trump is going to grab this election by the pussy

[SciFiAuthor]

Just curious, how many Trump fans still genuinely beleive he's going to win the election? Also hello, my first post.

He won't. So it's time to start talking about Hillary's corrupt nightmare presidency.

[Value Of Pi]

Well, guess what bub. Eisenhower died a long time ago and Nixon had to resign. Kennedy got killed and Johnson, who you seem to be okay with, was much more dangerous and did greater harm with due to his great society and Vietnam war than Trump could ever do.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly, but I'd just say, do not underestimate Donald Trump. He couldn't help being an extremely impactful president. It's just a question of whether you believe it would be for better or worse.

[21st Century Man]

1.He's paid fines on a number of occasions for criminally illegal business activities.

2.He's admitted that he didn't pay contractors.  This isn't just 'win some, lose some.'

3.To use your argument, if Trump had to go to jail in order to be shown to be corrupt, please tell me when Hillary Clinton went to jail.

You're too stupid to even maintain a consistent argument.

1. Give me an example and please no parking tickets.  When you are in business like he is, fines are occasionally paid.

2.  Maybe he felt the contractors work wasn't up to snuff so he didn't pay them.  The court decided he had to.  That happens.

3.  Touche'.  That is where we have to go with our instincts about a person and don't get me wrong,  I don't trust Trump but I absolutely don't trust Clinton.

[21st Century Man]

1950s:  U.S was the sole supplier to the world of mass market manufactured goods due to Europe being devastated by World War II and was also the #1 supplier for most resources as well. I believe even including oil at that time.

1980s: the U.S economy suffered in the late 1970s due to 'stagflation' as a result of the Federal Reserve's misunderstanding of the Phillips Curve.  Ronald Reagan gave Fed Chair Paul Volker free reign to 'whip inflation now' and, while that initially caused a major recession in the early 1980s, the relatively low inflation that followed increased market certainty which led to greater business investment on the supply side and the relative lack of spending for parts of the 1970s and the early 1980s led to pent up market demand on the demand side.

Highly unlikely the increased military spending had anything to do with any of that.

Increased defense spending spurs innovation.  How many inventions were created in pursuit of rocket science and the space race?

[albrecht]

Just curious, how many Trump fans still genuinely beleive he's going to win the election? Also hello, my first post.

Voted for him, because against Billary, but she will likely win with the immigration, legal and otherwise, and media, international finance, and banks support and money/votes for her. But it could be close, depending on the voting machines, how the scammed Bernie supporters turn-out, and turn out in general. I think, even maybe, which would be interesting, one of those Electoral College situations where the popular vote, if counted correctly, might get Billarys back in even if popular vote might go other way (though doubtful because of polling issues and who does them.) I would really liked to see a VERY interesting situation in which Billary wins but, for the sake of the Republic, Electors vote against her in some States. THAT would be interesting!

[GravitySucks]

I'm not sure what your point is exactly, but I'd just say, do not underestimate Donald Trump. He couldn't help being an extremely impactful president. It's just a question of whether you believe it would be for better or worse.

Well based on your previous post, you have problems with every president in recent history.

Give me your list of problems with Hillary since you are sure she is going to win. If you had problems with the first Clinton, you surely must have a list started for the second.

And what did you think Carter as president? It will help me calibrate any of your future posts.

[21st Century Man]

Just curious, how many Trump fans still genuinely beleive he's going to win the election? Also hello, my first post.

I'm not a Trump fan though I will be voting for him.  I honestly am not sure how this election will turn out.  According to the polls, Hillary will most definitely win.  Can we trust most of the polls though especially the ones that show her in double digits over Trump?  I don't think so.  If Hillary wins, it will not be by much.  4 points at most I think.  If Trump wins, I suspect that it will be within the same margin.  I could be wrong about the latter.

[136 or 142]

The Clintons have been sued too.

So will Hillary. The Clinton foundation is a nightmare.

He's on tape acting and talking like a normal male. Let's not act like that's not how some guys talk, and if you haven't ever heard such talk then you haven't ever gotten laid and have no male friends.

So you'll buy all the allegations against Trump, but won't even look into the ones against Hillary. Explain your thinking and justify it as rational.

1.The Clinton Foundation is only a nightmare to people who take Breitbart or the Rupert Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal seriously.

2.No normal male that I've ever heard boasts about sexually assaulting women.  This is the talking point of The Trump Thing's campaign that Dunning Krugers like you mindlessly regurgitate.

3.I've looked into many of the allegations regarding Hillary Clinton in the past, and they were almost all based on outright lies or, at best, half truths.  At some point, and admittedly this was before the WikiLeaks, I just realized the Hillary haters had no credibility and I couldn't be bothered with anything more they came out with.

With the WikiLeaks, we already know that at least one leak was a fake and that a number of the others are highly suspect due to odd grammatical errors or spelling mistakes. Unless it's sorted out which are real and which aren't, given the track record of dishonesty of the Hillary haters, I don't take them very seriously.

[136 or 142]

Who knows? A lot of misremebering happens with these folks? Call it a "bump on the head" or booze syndrome.
"My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations."- Chief Counsel Jerry Zeifman
Later it was claimed he couldn't have fired her per his authority. Ha.
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/zeifman-20080404.pdf

False, it wasn't later.  That's what he said initially. He changed his story later to say that he had fired her.  This is generally known as embellishing a story which, for instance, the courts take a very dim view of.

The public record also shows that he wasn't her line boss on the investigation so he wasn't in position to fire her.

[albrecht]

I'm not a Trump fan though I will be voting for him.  I honestly am not sure how this election will turn out.  According to the polls, Hillary will most definitely win.  Can we trust most of the polls though especially the ones that show her in double digits over Trump?  I don't think so.  If Hillary wins, it will not be by much.  4 points at most I think.  If Trump wins, I suspect that it will be within the same margin.  I could be wrong about the latter.

I think the system will work in her favor, but who knows? I don't want to disencourage, as her media does, people from not voting. I just hope people, even who don't like Trump. even show up and at least vote in down ballot elections to ensure gridlock and fight against the Hillary open-border, war, and tax/regulation agenda! And for local and State people with good ideas and values. It could be Trump beats the system?
The impossible sometimes permits itself the luxury of occurring. (Charlie Chan’s Chance)

[Value Of Pi]

I like gridlock. The system was build for it. It Trump, or even Billary, brings it I am ok with that. But Trump won't be Hitler as you all claim. His daughter is married to a Jewish guy. He does business etc in NYC, FLA, etc. Your hyperbole is ridiculous. I am HIGHLY suspect of Trump from the get-go (you can search my posts) but compared to Billary? There is no choice. The best thing I could hope for is a pie in the face of DC and globalism and more devolution to States and people, but, if not, at least gridlock before more international treaties, regulations, laws, wars, and taxes occur.

Again with Hitler? He clearly admires Putin as a strong, capable leader who knows how to get things done for his country. He hasn't mentioned Hitler, to my knowledge. Plenty of authoritarian types around who are not Hitler.

BTW, you may be okay with gridlock, but Trump wouldn't be. If you think he would tolerate being stymied by Congress or the courts or anyone else, you've got another thing coming. Hillary, OTOH, is capable of tolerating gridlock -- and that's probably what she'll have.

[Jackstar]

you haven't ever gotten laid and have no male friends.

[albrecht]

False, it wasn't later.  That's what he said initially. He changed his story later to say that he had fired her.  This is generally known as embellishing a story which, for instance, the courts take a very dim view of.

The public record also shows that he wasn't her line boss on the investigation so he wasn't in position to fire her.

Trouble with modern children, they do not smart in right place. (Charlie Chan in The Secret Service)

[theONE]

Trump is going to grab this election by the pussy

and slammed it in Hillry's face

[Zetaspeak]

I am actually really curious about the discussion after the election when everybody can be more  honest. Let's face it we are all right now super partisan (both sides) that we all try to spin as much as possible and doing so say ridiculously things at times. Hopefully in a couple of weeks when it's all said and done we can all step back and have a more realistic and clear headed discussion of what worked and what didn't in each campaign. I thought both had some major flaws in the campaign, heck Obama team would have destroyed both of them,  heck I have a feeling Romney team would have done pretty well. There is some truly amateur  hour on both sides, Trump team might be historically bad though.

[theONE]

I'm not sure what your point is exactly, but I'd just say, do not underestimate Donald Trump. He couldn't help being an extremely impactful president. It's just a question of whether you believe it would be for better or worse.

only time will tell of course,
and remember according to the Bible all leaders are appointed by God, for better or worse, according what particular nation deserves and needs
(it will be interesting to watch for sure)

[albrecht]

Again with Hitler? He clearly admires Putin as a strong, capable leader who knows how to get things done for his country. He hasn't mentioned Hitler, to my knowledge. Plenty of authoritarian types around who are not Hitler.

BTW, you may be okay with gridlock, but Trump wouldn't be. If you think he would tolerate being stymied by Congress or the courts or anyone else, you've got another thing coming. Hillary, OTOH, is capable of tolerating gridlock -- and that's probably what she'll have.

I have many problems with Putin and Russia, alas, we forgone the opportunity to accept them, with a eye on them of course, into our society by siding with Muslim terrorists in Chechnya and the Balkans, and throwing money into their corruption, hell Bill even bombed the Chinese Embassy during that time. And the show-down at the airport, but regardless, I favor being better friends with Russia, if possible, in this escalated days and due to the failed policy of Bill post Cold-War. Better than sending them towards alliance with China etc or the Obama/Billary idea of supporting radical Muslims and destabilization of regions. (It doesn't take a Metternich to think this one out!)

[mikuthing01]

I knew a girl that looked just like her it give me feels when i see that pic lol

[Jackstar]

Hopefully in a couple of weeks when it's all said and done we can all step back and have a more realistic and clear headed discussion of what worked and what didn't in each campaign.

Pack a lunch.

[21st Century Man]

Again with Hitler? He clearly admires Putin as a strong, capable leader who knows how to get things done for his country. He hasn't mentioned Hitler, to my knowledge. Plenty of authoritarian types around who are not Hitler.

BTW, you may be okay with gridlock, but Trump wouldn't be. If you think he would tolerate being stymied by Congress or the courts or anyone else, you've got another thing coming. Hillary, OTOH, is capable of tolerating gridlock -- and that's probably what she'll have.

Proof please.  Failure to procure such will lead to the conclusion that the aforementioned is nothing but speculation.

[136 or 142]

1. Give me an example and please no parking tickets.  When you are in business like he is, fines are occasionally paid.

2.  Maybe he felt the contractors work wasn't up to snuff so he didn't pay them.  The court decided he had to.  That happens.

3.  Touche'.  That is where we have to go with our instincts about a person and don't get me wrong,  I don't trust Trump but I absolutely don't trust Clinton.

1.Fines for criminally illegal business activities:

1.Racial Housing Discrimination   

Where and when: New York City, 1973-1975

The dirt: The Department of Justice sued Trump and his father Fred in 1973 for housing discrimination at 39 sites around New York. “The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’” The New York Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” Trump called the accusations “absolutely ridiculous.”

The upshot: The Trumps hired attorney Roy Cohn, who had worked for Joe McCarthy and whom Michael Kinsley once indelibly labeled “innocent of a variety of federal crimes.” They sued the Justice Department for $100 million. In the end, however, the Trumps settled with the government, promising not to discriminate and submitting to regular review by the New York Urban Leagueâ€"though crucially not admitting guilt. The Times has much more on the long history of allegations at Trump-owned properties

2.The Undocumented Polish Workers 

Where and when: New York City, 1980

The dirt: In order to construct his signature Trump Tower, the builder first had to demolish the Bonwit Teller store, an architecturally beloved Art Deco edifice. The work had to be done fast, and so managers hired 200 undocumented Polish workers to tear it down, paying them substandard wages for backbreaking workâ€"$5 per hour, when they were paid at all. The workers didn’t wear hard hats and often slept at the site. When the workers complained about their back pay, they were allegedly threatened with deportation. Trump said he was unaware that illegal immigrants were working at the site.

The upshot: In 1991, a federal judge found Trump and other defendants guilty of conspiring to avoid paying union pension and welfare contributions for the workers. The decision was appealed, with partial victories for both sides, and ultimately settled privately in 1999. In a February GOP debate, Marco Rubio brought up the story to accuse Trump of hypocrisy in his stance on illegal immigration. Meanwhile, Massimo Calabresi shows that testimony under oath shows Trump was aware of illegal immigrants being employed there.

3.Breaking Casino Rules   

Where and when: New York and New Jersey, various

The dirt: Trump has been repeatedly fined for breaking rules related to his operation of casinos. In 1990, with Trump Taj Mahal in trouble, Trump’s father Fred strolled in and bought 700 chips worth a total of $3.5 million. The purchase helped the casino pay debt that was due, but because Fred Trump had no plans to gamble, the New Jersey gaming commission ruled that it was a loan that violated operating rules. Trump paid a $30,000 fine; in the end, the loan didn’t prevent a bankruptcy the following year. As noted above, New Jersey also fined Trump $200,000 for arranging to keep black employees away from mafioso Robert LiButti’s gambling table. In 1991, the Casino Control Commission fined Trump’s company another $450,000 for buying LiButti nine luxury cars. And in 2000, Trump was fined $250,000 for breaking New York state law in lobbying to prevent an Indian casino from opening in the Catskills, for fear it would compete against his Atlantic City casinos.

The upshot: Trump admitted no wrongdoing in the New York case. He’s now out of the casino business.

4.Antitrust Violations   

Where and when: New Jersey, 1986

The dirt: In 1986, Trump decided he wanted to expand his casino empire in Atlantic City. His plan was to mount a hostile takeover of two casino companies, Holiday and Bally. Trump started buying up stock in the companies with an eye toward gaining control. But Bally realized what was going on and sued him for antitrust violations. “Trump hopes to wrest control of Bally from its public shareholders without paying them the control premium they otherwise could command had they been adequately informed of Trump's intentions,” the company argued.

The upshot: Trump gave up the attempt in 1987, but the Federal Trade Commission fined him $750,000 for failing to disclose his purchases of stock in the two companies, which exceeded minimum disclosure levels.

These are the kind of debts no honest man would pay.

In regards to his contractors, first: Trump sells himself as a supremely competent businessman.  If that's the case he sure seems to hire (or his staff hire anyway) an awful lot of really bad contractors.  For a supremely competent businessman he seems to hire an awful lot of incompetent people.

The upshot: Trump has offered various excuses, including shoddy workmanship, but the scale of the problemâ€"hundreds of allegationsâ€"makes that hard to credit. In some cases, even the lawyers Trump has hired to defend him have sued him for failing to pony up their fees. In one lawsuit, a Trump employee admitted in court that a painter was stiffed because managers determined they had “already paid enough.” The cases are damaging because they show Trump not driving a hard bargain with other businesses, but harming ordinary, hard-working Americans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

For somebody who says all the allegations against The Trump Thing are just speculation, you don't actually seem to know any of the things the Trump Thing has done.

[21st Century Man]

I am actually really curious about the discussion after the election when everybody can be more  honest. Let's face it we are all right now super partisan (both sides) that we all try to spin as much as possible and doing so say ridiculously things at times. Hopefully in a couple of weeks when it's all said and done we can all step back and have a more realistic and clear headed discussion of what worked and what didn't in each campaign. I thought both had some major flaws in the campaign, heck Obama team would have destroyed both of them,  heck I have a feeling Romney team would have done pretty well. There is some truly amateur  hour on both sides, Trump team might be historically bad though.

You won't get an argument from me on that.

[136 or 142]

Again with Hitler? He clearly admires Putin as a strong, capable leader who knows how to get things done for his country. He hasn't mentioned Hitler, to my knowledge. Plenty of authoritarian types around who are not Hitler.

BTW, you may be okay with gridlock, but Trump wouldn't be. If you think he would tolerate being stymied by Congress or the courts or anyone else, you've got another thing coming. Hillary, OTOH, is capable of tolerating gridlock -- and that's probably what she'll have.

It should also be noted, except for Putin's P.R at RT, and some of the things he's done in the Arctic, he's actually been an extremely incapable leader who wasted nearly all of the money received from the oil revenues on himself, military adventures, paying off the oligarchs or the Sochi Olympics.

[Jackstar]

Where and when: New York City, 1973-1975

This... this is your 'A' game?

How can you expect to be taken seriously?

[136 or 142]

This... this is your 'A' game?

How can you expect to be taken seriously?

Odd how you didn't make the same comment to Albrecht for bringing up the alleged Hillary Clinton firing from the Watergate investigation back in 1973.

The last fine occurred as late as 1991. So has Trump reformed since then?  While he hasn't been fined he's been involved in
1.Trump University
2.The Trump Foundation (a much more likely genuinely corrupt foundation.) He did pay a small fine over this over his supposed innocent mistake of using the foundation to send a donation to the Florida Attorney General who just happened to be investigating Trump University at the time.  However, this wasn't a criminal fine.
3.Allegations of hiring undocumented models
4.Allegations of evading the Cuban Embargo
5.Continued refusal to pay workers and business for work done, up to the present day.

It should also be noted, the Atlantic Story is far from a complete account of the criminally and civilly corrupt activities of The Trump Thing.

[GravitySucks]

1.Fines for criminally illegal business activities:

1.Racial Housing Discrimination   

Where and when: New York City, 1973-1975

The dirt: The Department of Justice sued Trump and his father Fred in 1973 for housing discrimination at 39 sites around New York. “The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’” The New York Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” Trump called the accusations “absolutely ridiculous.”

The upshot: The Trumps hired attorney Roy Cohn, who had worked for Joe McCarthy and whom Michael Kinsley once indelibly labeled “innocent of a variety of federal crimes.” They sued the Justice Department for $100 million. In the end, however, the Trumps settled with the government, promising not to discriminate and submitting to regular review by the New York Urban Leagueâ€"though crucially not admitting guilt. The Times has much more on the long history of allegations at Trump-owned properties

2.The Undocumented Polish Workers 

Where and when: New York City, 1980

The dirt: In order to construct his signature Trump Tower, the builder first had to demolish the Bonwit Teller store, an architecturally beloved Art Deco edifice. The work had to be done fast, and so managers hired 200 undocumented Polish workers to tear it down, paying them substandard wages for backbreaking workâ€"$5 per hour, when they were paid at all. The workers didn’t wear hard hats and often slept at the site. When the workers complained about their back pay, they were allegedly threatened with deportation. Trump said he was unaware that illegal immigrants were working at the site.

The upshot: In 1991, a federal judge found Trump and other defendants guilty of conspiring to avoid paying union pension and welfare contributions for the workers. The decision was appealed, with partial victories for both sides, and ultimately settled privately in 1999. In a February GOP debate, Marco Rubio brought up the story to accuse Trump of hypocrisy in his stance on illegal immigration. Meanwhile, Massimo Calabresi shows that testimony under oath shows Trump was aware of illegal immigrants being employed there.

3.Breaking Casino Rules   

Where and when: New York and New Jersey, various

The dirt: Trump has been repeatedly fined for breaking rules related to his operation of casinos. In 1990, with Trump Taj Mahal in trouble, Trump’s father Fred strolled in and bought 700 chips worth a total of $3.5 million. The purchase helped the casino pay debt that was due, but because Fred Trump had no plans to gamble, the New Jersey gaming commission ruled that it was a loan that violated operating rules. Trump paid a $30,000 fine; in the end, the loan didn’t prevent a bankruptcy the following year. As noted above, New Jersey also fined Trump $200,000 for arranging to keep black employees away from mafioso Robert LiButti’s gambling table. In 1991, the Casino Control Commission fined Trump’s company another $450,000 for buying LiButti nine luxury cars. And in 2000, Trump was fined $250,000 for breaking New York state law in lobbying to prevent an Indian casino from opening in the Catskills, for fear it would compete against his Atlantic City casinos.

The upshot: Trump admitted no wrongdoing in the New York case. He’s now out of the casino business.

4.Antitrust Violations   

Where and when: New Jersey, 1986

The dirt: In 1986, Trump decided he wanted to expand his casino empire in Atlantic City. His plan was to mount a hostile takeover of two casino companies, Holiday and Bally. Trump started buying up stock in the companies with an eye toward gaining control. But Bally realized what was going on and sued him for antitrust violations. “Trump hopes to wrest control of Bally from its public shareholders without paying them the control premium they otherwise could command had they been adequately informed of Trump's intentions,” the company argued.

The upshot: Trump gave up the attempt in 1987, but the Federal Trade Commission fined him $750,000 for failing to disclose his purchases of stock in the two companies, which exceeded minimum disclosure levels.

These are the kind of debts no honest man would pay.

In regards to his contractors, first: Trump sells himself as a supremely competent businessman.  If that's the case he sure seems to hire (or his staff hire anyway) an awful lot of really bad contractors.  For a supremely competent businessman he seems to hire an awful lot of incompetent people.

The upshot: Trump has offered various excuses, including shoddy workmanship, but the scale of the problemâ€"hundreds of allegationsâ€"makes that hard to credit. In some cases, even the lawyers Trump has hired to defend him have sued him for failing to pony up their fees. In one lawsuit, a Trump employee admitted in court that a painter was stiffed because managers determined they had “already paid enough.” The cases are damaging because they show Trump not driving a hard bargain with other businesses, but harming ordinary, hard-working Americans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

For somebody who says all the allegations against The Trump Thing are just speculation, you don't actually seem to know any of the things the Trump Thing has done.

He was a Democrat through most of those years. He was just trying to fit in.