President Donald J. Trump

[Juan]

It seems Rapist Trump is also Crooked Trump:

“Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will ‘protect your job.’ But a USA Today analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades â€" and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.”

This has all the appearances of being another smear.  It's easy to file a lawsuit or a mechanic's lein.  However, the plaintiffs have to prove Trump owed them money.  When the plaintiffs prove it, they win a judgement for a specific amount of money.  The word judgement does not appear in the article.  In fact, nothing in the article says anybody proved anything - only that Trump is "involved" in lawsuits. This is an example of bad journalism that I would never have allowed on the air.

[Value Of Pi]

It seems Rapist Trump is also Crooked Trump:

“Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will ‘protect your job.’ But a USA Today analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades â€" and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.”

“At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA Today Network, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

No doubt the idiot Trump enablers here will say this story is just part of the 'lying lamestream liberal media.'

I know someone personally who had a dispute with Trump very much like the ones you talk about. Trump had a contract that required, naturally, payment for products provided and services rendered. He simply stopped paying his bills but insisted that those goods and services still be delivered based, apparently, on vague promises to pay at some point.

The company took a firm stand, with my acquaintance telling Trump that if he didn't pay up, he would get no more product and no more support. Trump caved. He had the money to pay the bill but wanted to see if he could get away with not paying. His bluster and bullshit didn't work in this case.

The guy has certain undeniable talents as a businessman but a good part of his success is about brawn, not brains. He's part Vito Corleone and part Luca Brasi. On both counts, he's one nasty piece of work.

[Juan]

Unfortunately, this is the way of business for many corporations.  That's why I take payment when I'm finished with a job for an individual, but require 50% down from a corporation before I'll begin, another 25% when I finish the item, and the other 25% on delivery.

[albrecht]

Unfortunately, this is the way of business for many corporations.  That's why I take payment when I'm finished with a job for an individual, but require 50% down from a corporation before I'll begin, another 25% when I finish the item, and the other 25% on delivery.

Especially the big players, they always try to negotiate the payment terms out for suppliers and then use any slight mistake in billing or invoices to further delay payment. Some places also play tricks like the suppliers still own the inventory until the final product is sold and all kinds of things. On the other hand it is pretty par for the course that any big developer or business deals with lawsuits (many of which might be bogus.) And the bigger you are the most advantage you can take of your suppliers etc.

[Dr. MD MD]

85 is the new 65.
ps: Bateman did an interview with Zoltan on Dark City which was pretty interesting.

If his hat was in the ring, he'd get my vote. 

[albrecht]

If his hat was in the ring, he'd get my vote. 

Apparently Zoltan also snowboards on volcanoes (on the ash, not the lava  ) I don't like some of his 'big brother' government ideas and his views on immigration but some of his other stuff is certainly interesting. But agree that we need to address issues like mass unemployment due to robotics, 3D printing, and whatever new technology, some of the ethics/laws with regard to new technology, potential problems of AI etc.

[Dr. MD MD]

Apparently Zoltan also snowboards on volcanoes (on the ash, not the lava  ) I don't like some of his 'big brother' government ideas and his views on immigration but some of his other stuff is certainly interesting. But agree that we need to address issues like mass unemployment due to robotics, 3D printing, and whatever new technology, some of the ethics/laws with regard to new technology, potential problems of AI etc.

I meant Perot...but I'll look into this other guy too.

[albrecht]

I meant Perot...but I'll look into this other guy too.

85 is too old. Perot struck me as a good guy. Sure he looked a bit weird but was a good guy. His running mate Admiral Stockdale was a real hero, in times in which that term is used so loosely, and the press/media making fun of him was a shame.
Zoltan is the "transhuman" candidate (trans not in the Bruce Jenner way but in the merging of humans with machines/AI, etc.)

[Zetaspeak]

Oh, for a viable third party candidate! Genetics are starting to get pretty advanced now. Maybe we could reanimate Ross Perot! 

[Dr. MD MD]

85 is too old. Perot struck me as a good guy. Sure he looked a bit weird but was a good guy. His running mate Admiral Stockdale was a real hero, in times in which that term is used so loosely, and the press/media making fun of him was a shame.
Zoltan is the "transhuman" candidate (trans not in the Bruce Jenner way but in the merging of humans with machines/AI, etc.)

Agree with everything you've said! They made fun of a self-made billionaire who was smart enough to back Steve Jobs when Apple fired him and a GENUINE war hero who's hearing aids were, unfortunately, malfunctioning during a debate. Way to go mainstream media!  :

[Value Of Pi]

Unfortunately, this is the way of business for many corporations.  That's why I take payment when I'm finished with a job for an individual, but require 50% down from a corporation before I'll begin, another 25% when I finish the item, and the other 25% on delivery.

A wise policy. People sometimes forget to remember that, on a corporate level, being "a good businessman" involves some degree of getting away with whatever you can, on a regular basis. It's virtually a commandment. These people, especially the top echelon, are not in any way like the small business people you get to know and trust -- the store down the street, your auto mechanic and so forth.

They take that mindset, and those questionable habits, with them wherever they go. So the Trump U case is just a helpful reminder of why you don't want Trump in the White House. He doesn't know how to put anyone's interests ahead of his own. He can't change that. Every cell in his body would rebel.

[Dr. MD MD]

One day we may invent a board with a nail in it so big that it will destroy the whole world! Muhahahahahahahaha!!!! 

[Zetaspeak]

A wise policy. People sometimes forget to remember that, on a corporate level, being "a good businessman" involves some degree of getting away with whatever you can, on a regular basis. It's virtually a commandment. These people, especially the top echelon, are not in any way like the small business people you get to know and trust -- the store down the street, your auto mechanic and so forth.

It is something to think about how his supporters love him because he's a "great salesman"  but isn't a big part of being a great salesman is selling people on a bill of goods that really not worth it. They somehow think he will only scam "the others" but never feel like themselves are being scammed. My gosh the guy was/is in the casino business, isn't that entire industry all about selling gullible people of riches and greatness when in reality the house always wins.

They are bit of like the chick who dates guys with bad reputation but always think "Oh he won't do it to me" spoiler he probably will.

[Value Of Pi]

It is something to think about how his supporters love him because he's a "great salesman"  but isn't a big part of being a great salesman is selling people on a bill of goods that really not worth it. They somehow think he will only scam "the others" but never feel like themselves are being scammed. My gosh the guy was/is in the casino business, isn't that entire industry all about selling gullible people of riches and greatness when in reality the house always wins.

They are bit of like the chick who dates guys with bad reputation but always think "Oh he won't do it to me" spoiler he probably will.

I think a good working definition of a "great salesman" is a person with the ability to sell almost anything to almost anyone. The ethics of doing that depend on the specific circumstances, meaning that it's possible to be a great salesman without ripping people off.

Trump's technique is not up to that level (there are very few great salesmen). He's good at identifying opportunity, recognizing weaknesses and exploiting those weaknesses to make a sale. Trump's casino business is/was a good example. The best, most lucrative "customers" imaginable  are rich gambling addicts. They're easy marks. He had some success until his bad financial management killed these enterprises and they went bankrupt.

So I agree mostly with your point about his supporters, except for the notion that Trump is a great salesman, or that they would even know one if they saw one.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

[chefist]

This is going to be a good test to see how powerful the media/information gatekeepers are. Remember, polls had Clinton and Sanders tied or with a margin of error lead for Clinton. Clinton won CA by 13%. Many polls had Romney beating Obama by as much at 5%, and Obama won by 4% points.

[TigerLily]

Oh it's a sad day in Trumpville.  More activity on the Hillary Clinton thread, the commie sign on thread,  sex acts with animals, and gluten free, that's for me

Oops. I stand corrected. VQ just posted another cogent political analysis validating Tiny Donald's prowess over Hillary.

[ItsOver]

This is going to be a good test to see how powerful the media/information gatekeepers are. Remember, polls had Clinton and Sanders tied or with a margin of error lead for Clinton. Clinton won CA by 13%. Many polls had Romney beating Obama by as much at 5%, and Obama won by 4% points.

I wouldn't trust anything coming from The Ministry of Truth.  Plus, you can never tell how many dead folks are going to show at the actual polls.

[TigerLily]

This is going to be a good test to see how powerful the media/information gatekeepers are. Remember, polls had Clinton and Sanders tied or with a margin of error lead for Clinton. Clinton won CA by 13%. Many polls had Romney beating Obama by as much at 5%, and Obama won by 4% points.

(Snark) "media/information gatekeepers". No worries about that here. You guys will never break through your bubble and breathe anything but your own hot air you blow at each other every day.  You are quickly losing IQ points. Something not in surfeit here

You are owned by Conservative Billionaires that publish their propaganda like Fox News and Breitbart (which I never heard of until I came here) and call it news.  You follow their Talking Points and parrot them back. Then congratulate yourself about what  "independent thinkers" you are because Murdoch told you so.

[albrecht]

(Snark) "media/information gatekeepers". No worries about that here. You guys will never break through your bubble and breathe anything but your own hot air you blow at each other every day.  You are quickly losing IQ points. Something not in surfeit here

You are owned by Conservative Billionaires that publish their propaganda like Fox News and Breitbart (which I never heard of until I came here) and call it news.  You follow their Talking Points and parrot them back. Then congratulate yourself about what  "independent thinkers" you are because Murdoch told you so.

Murdoch is not that conservative*. He is for gun bans control. He for amnesty immigration reform. And has been a Billary fan, and supporter, for some years. He is about making money and it happened that he saw a unique opportunity to fill a niche in the media markets because more reporters/journalists were Democrats and/or "liberal." He is all about making money though I didn't know he kept a bust of Lenin in his room at Oxford. 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/07/16/hillary-clinton-shuns-fox_n_56495.html
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-rupert-murdoch/2013/11/08/341837ea-47bf-11e3-b6f8-3782ff6cb769_story.html

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Oh it's a sad day in Trumpville.  More activity on the Hillary Clinton thread, the commie sign on thread,  sex acts with animals, and gluten free, that's for me

Oops. I stand corrected. VQ just posted another cogent political analysis validating Tiny Donald's prowess over Hillary.

Who are you to doubt Trump Lucha?

[chefist]

(Snark) "media/information gatekeepers". No worries about that here. You guys will never break through your bubble and breathe anything but your own hot air you blow at each other every day.  You are quickly losing IQ points. Something not in surfeit here

You are owned by Conservative Billionaires that publish their propaganda like Fox News and Breitbart (which I never heard of until I came here) and call it news.  You follow their Talking Points and parrot them back. Then congratulate yourself about what  "independent thinkers" you are because Murdoch told you so.

You are brainwashed by Soros and Wall Street.

[TigerLily]

You are brainwashed by Soros and Wall Street.

Because Murdoch told you so

[TigerLily]

Murdoch is not that conservative*. He is for gun bans control. He for amnesty immigration reform. And has been a Billary fan, and supporter, for some years. He is about making money and it happened that he saw a unique opportunity to fill a niche in the media markets because more reporters/journalists were Democrats and/or "liberal." He is all about making money though I didn't know he kept a bust of Lenin in his room at Oxford. 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/07/16/hillary-clinton-shuns-fox_n_56495.html
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-rupert-murdoch/2013/11/08/341837ea-47bf-11e3-b6f8-3782ff6cb769_story.html

So Murdoch doesn't even believe his own propaganda. Nice

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I honestly can't remember the last time I watched Fox News. You're talking to someone who detests Fox and see them as every bit as evil as the liberal media outlets. Fox keeps it's viewers stupid and addicted to that dopamine game. But do what you must to fit me into your world view.

You just can't handle that Trump is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.

[chefist]

I honestly can't remember the last time I watched Fox News. You're talking to someone who detests Fox and see them as every bit as evil as the liberal media outlets. Fox keeps it's viewers stupid and addicted to that dopamine game. But do what you must to fit me into your world view.

You just can't handle that Trump is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.

Absolutely. I don't watch it either, not CNN or any of the others. They are all biased left or right. I love reading the angry rants of "tolerant" liberals though. LOL

[aldousburbank]

You just can't handle that Trump is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.

[TigerLily]

I honestly can't remember the last time I watched Fox News. You're talking to someone who detests Fox and see them as every bit as evil as the liberal media outlets. Fox keeps it's viewers stupid and addicted to that dopamine game. But do what you must to fit me into your world view.

You just can't handle that Trump is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.

Dear God in Heaven. Let this not be true. And this coming from an agnostic.

Who do you recommend for news?

[GuerrillaUnReal]

He is the excellence of execution.

[TigerLily]

Absolutely. I don't watch it either, not CNN or any of the others. They are all biased left or right. I love reading the angry rants of "tolerant" liberals though. LOL

So where do you get your information?