President Donald J. Trump

[Kidnostad3]

The Left has been building in this country for 100 years.  Since the early ''progressives'' like Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, and later with FDR.  They got a big boost during the 1960s, and were able to very effectively use the Vietnam War, then Watergate to grow and take over certain institutions, such as the media.  And the media attacked Reagan relentlessly.

Rush and the others didn't create that, they countered it.  By the time they arrived on the scene, the Far Left had already gained traction and were a sizable group within the Democrat Party.  When Bill told Hilary to work on initiatives to nationalize health care, and get rid of guns, every Democrat in contested House seats across the country lost, leaving the party in the hands of Nancy Peolsi and the far left ''progressive'' Democrats.  Who then hand picked candidates, steered funding their way, and created the new ''progressive'' Democrat Party, culminating with the election of Berock Obama.

Having read Theodore Rex by Edmund Morris and a few lesser works on T.R., I don’t see how you could possibly call him a “political progressive” as the term was defined in his day and even less so as the term has evolved.  He was a reformer but nothing like Wilson or FDR in his domestic and foreign policies.  I would call him a nationalistic objectivist and, like Trump, a bit of an eccentric.  When Trump starts swimming nude in the Potomac on a  daily basis we’ll know he’s taking his emulation of T.R. too far.

[Jackstar]

One leaker down

I know I feel safer.

[21st Century Man]

Having read Theodore Rex by Edmund Morris and a few lesser works on T.R., I don’t see how you could possibly call him a “political progressive” as the term was defined in his day and even less so as the term has evolved.  He was a reformer but nothing like Wilson or FDR in his domestic and foreign policies.  I would call him a nationalistic objectivist and, like Trump, a bit of an eccentric.  When Trump starts swimming nude in the Potomac on a  daily basis we’ll know he’s taking his emulation of T.R. too far.

Couldn't agree more.  TR was definitely not a progressive in the same vein as FDR or Wilson.  I agree with practically all the policies TR enacted.  I can't say the same for the other two.

[Kidnostad3]

Since when did Trumpers care about lying to the FBI?

We started not caring when we found out the FBI was in the habit of lying to the American people. 

[starrmtn001]

Peter Strzok.  Isn't that just another way of saying, hand job? :


https://youtu.be/246yVwb5diI

[Jackstar]

Peter Strzok.  Isn't that just another way of saying, hand job?

I think it's wholly made up. The porn star, the witch hunt, everything.

[starrmtn001]

https://youtu.be/PPbe2r0c14E

[Juan]

I think it's wholly made up. The porn star, the witch hunt, everything.

I think something is made up.  I haven’t read all the Strzok Page emails, but for “lovebirds” there’s a noticeable lack of flirting and suggestiveness in them. Not even a meet me in the janitor’s closet for a quickie.

As for Stormy, she’s cashing in on the stripper circuit.

[Yorkshire pud]

I think.

Stop being silly Mike.. Just stop.

[Yorkshire pud]

https://youtu.be/PPbe2r0c14E

As long as you're happy that the orange oaf is controlled by fox Trump news, all is well. Maybe the next step would be to simply open a new studio in the WH, disband the entire idea of Congress and the Senate and just have a King Trump, with his courtiers being anyone employed by Rupert Murdoch.

[21st Century Man]

I think something is made up.  I haven’t read all the Strzok Page emails, but for “lovebirds” there’s a noticeable lack of flirting and suggestiveness in them. Not even a meet me in the janitor’s closet for a quickie.

As for Stormy, she’s cashing in on the stripper circuit.

And the porno circuit.  Isn't America great?

[albrecht]

And the porno circuit.  Isn't America great?

It is an "interesting" world in that even a claim of defamation would be considered by a whore 'sex worker' by profession who is now, due to the publicity, making more money than she ever did in the past! If anything Trump, or his odd assortment of lawyers and advisers, have helped her career.  The thing I don't get is why Trump, or his advisers, keep her in the spotlight and keep mentioning, even when it sort of dies down? Especially since he is still married and has kids, and a young one. Who would want this stuff kept in the press considering that? My only theory is that there might be something 'else' so they'd rather the sordid porno-star stuff for reporters to chase? Or things with Melanie are already settled and letting the press run with the hooker lets other political agendas or work take place more under-the-radar?

[Juan]

Maybe Trump owns her agency and is, thus, getting a cut.

[Yorkshire pud]

It is an "interesting" world in that even a claim of defamation would be considered by a whore 'sex worker' by profession who is now, due to the publicity, making more money than she ever did in the past! If anything Trump, or his odd assortment of lawyers and advisers, have helped her career.  The thing I don't get is why Trump, or his advisers, keep her in the spotlight and keep mentioning, even when it sort of dies down? Especially since he is still married and has kids, and a young one. Who would want this stuff kept in the press considering that? My only theory is that there might be something 'else' so they'd rather the sordid porno-star stuff for reporters to chase? Or things with Melanie are already settled and letting the press run with the hooker lets other political agendas or work take place more under-the-radar?

It's somewhat amusing that her choice of career that might not be to everyone's taste is considered a factor in her veracity as a witness. It's the default attitude that some judges take in rape cases. She was wearing a mini skirt so she must have been 'asking for it'.

The case with this is Trump has not denied he had an affair with her. In fact he referred all questions to the $130000 paid to her to Cohen. And has since thrown him under the bus (where else?). Cohen approached her to make the payment just before the election, she didn't ask him for money. He then set up a company, took out an equity loan and paid her. Quite why he had to do that when he had several millions coming his way I suppose will come out in court. He then got her to sign a document (not signed by Trump) to deny any such affair took place. It seems too that her then lawyer was working in cahoots with Cohen to bury the story, which if proven true will get him disbarred, because clearly he was working for Trump and not her. That he had or didn't have sex with her, and she says they did, once (Though how she did without a bag over her head only she knows) is less important than the growing evidence she was paid off because of the upcoming election to keep her quiet and therefore not jeopardize his wholesome, Christian, family man rapacious womanizing, persona.

Have you noticed Trump hasn't directly said she's lying?

Giuliani is the best opposing lawyer that Avanati could wish for. He just opens his mouth and says something else to land Trump in the shit. And now he's come out and said that Melania  believes her husband and not Ms Daniels...

Ooops. Melania's spokeswoman has come out today and said that Melania hasn't had a conversation with Ole Rudy so how would he know what she thinks? But Rudy was thrown out by his third wife when he was fucking his then press secretary, so maybe that's why he came up with that lie?

[Kidnostad3]

Peter Strzok.  Isn't that just another way of saying, hand job? :


https://youtu.be/246yVwb5diI

He and others involved will be endicted on multiple counts of felonious fuckery.

[Juan]

He and others involved will be endicted on multiple counts of felonious fuckery.

I’ll believe it when I see it. Hillary was on the path to indictment in 1993.

[Yorkshire pud]

He and others involved will be endicted on multiple counts of felonious fuckery.

And what of the FBI agents who said similar about Clinton? Oh wait, they're okay...Then there was Comey who went public just before the election about Clinton (Trump praised him for that incidentally).. You think everyone in the FBI, NSA, police officers, and CIA supported Clinton? Seriously?

[Kidnostad3]

It's somewhat amusing that her choice of career that might not be to everyone's taste is considered a factor in her veracity as a witness. It's the default attitude that some judges take in rape cases. She was wearing a mini skirt so she must have been 'asking for it'.

The case with this is Trump has not denied he had an affair with her. In fact he referred all questions to the $130000 paid to her to Cohen. And has since thrown him under the bus (where else?). Cohen approached her to make the payment just before the election, she didn't ask him for money. He then set up a company, took out an equity loan and paid her. Quite why he had to do that when he had several millions coming his way I suppose will come out in court. He then got her to sign a document (not signed by Trump) to deny any such affair took place. It seems too that her then lawyer was working in cahoots with Cohen to bury the story, which if proven true will get him disbarred, because clearly he was working for Trump and not her. That he had or didn't have sex with her, and she says they did, once (Though how she did without a bag over her head only she knows) is less important than the growing evidence she was paid off because of the upcoming election to keep her quiet and therefore not jeopardize his wholesome, Christian, family man rapacious womanizing, persona.

Have you noticed Trump hasn't directly said she's lying?

Giuliani is the best opposing lawyer that Avanati could wish for. He just opens his mouth and says something else to land Trump in the shit. And now he's come out and said that Melania  believes her husband and not Ms Daniels...

Ooops. Melania's spokeswoman has come out today and said that Melania hasn't had a conversation
with Ole Rudy so how would he know what she thinks? But Rudy was thrown out by his third wife when he was fucking his then press secretary, so maybe that's why he came up with that lie?

Hey Pud, NEWS FLASHâ€"PEOPLE STRAY!   If having done so were to be a bar to holding public office Quakers would be running the country.

I have nothing against sex workers or porn stars and have always believed that prostitution should be legalized and closely regulated.  I also know that woman who choose to make a living by selling their assets aren’t necessarily moral degenerates.  Having said that, it’s hard for me to take seriously a woman who only claimed that Trump took advantage of her sexually after it was reported that he was seriously considering a run for President and only went public with her claims after recieving a settlement and signing a non disclosure agreement and subsequently requesting and being turned down for a job on Trump’s campaign staff.  You don’t suppose she would decide not to honor her non disclosure agreement and accept the services of the smarmiest of lawyers being funded by rabid Trump haters In order to obtain a manifold increase over the paltry $130k she has already received?  Nah, you wouldn’t suspect that of such a noble self sacrificing woman who has suffered the indignity of having every orifice in her body stuffed simultaneously on film in order to buy shoes for her waif. 

[21st Century Man]

Hey Pud, NEWS FLASHâ€"PEOPLE STRAY!   If having done so were to be a bar to holding public office Quakers would be running the country.

I have nothing against sex workers or porn stars and have always believed that prostitution should be legalized and closely regulated.  I also know that woman who choose to make a living by selling their assets aren’t necessarily moral degenerates.  Having said that, it’s hard for me to take seriously a woman who only claimed that Trump took advantage of her sexually after it was reported that he was seriously considering a run for President and only went public with her claims after recieving a settlement and signing a non disclosure agreement and subsequently requesting and being turned down for a job on Trump’s campaign staff.  You don’t suppose she would decide not to honor her non disclosure agreement and accept the services of the smarmiest of lawyers being funded by rabid Trump haters In order to obtain a manifold increase over the paltry $130k she has already received?  Nah, you wouldn’t suspect that of such a noble self sacrificing woman who has suffered the indignity of having every orifice in her body stuffed simultaneously on film in order to buy shoes for her waif.

She stuffed her ears?  LOL

I agree with the gist of your argument though.  Trump and Daniels used each other.  She for financial gain and he wanted to fuck a porn star.

[Kidnostad3]

She stuffed her ears?  LOL

I agree with the gist of your argument though.  Trump and Daniels used each other.  She for financial gain and he wanted to fuck a porn star.

Yeah, he probably looked at it as something like entering a pro-am golf tournament.

[Yorkshire pud]

Hey Pud, NEWS FLASHâ€"PEOPLE STRAY!   If having done so were to be a bar to holding public office Quakers would be running the country.

Indeed they do; But the hypocrisy shown by their deafening silence by the God fearin evangelicals is astonishing. But as I explained above that in itself isn't the problem he has, it's the financial settlement he allowed his pet bitch to conduct (At first denying he knew, but has later come clean and admitted he knew, and reimbursed Cohen).

That he strayed should come as no surprise; That he did it a few months after his wife gave birth might make some of the evangelicals raise an eyebrow and cough on their bile as they preach about 'family values' (That well know supermarket chain) to the sinners in the crowd but nevertheless, it's to be expected from him. As too his misogynistic attitude to women in general, which pretty much demonstrates his overall emotional maturity.

I have nothing against sex workers or porn stars and have always believed that prostitution should be legalized and closely regulated.  I also know that woman who choose to make a living by selling their assets aren’t necessarily moral degenerates.  Having said that, it’s hard for me to take seriously a woman who only claimed that Trump took advantage of her sexually after it was reported that he was seriously considering a run for President and only went public with her claims after recieving a settlement and signing a non disclosure agreement and subsequently requesting and being turned down for a job on Trump’s campaign staff.

I agree with the first of your paragraph. The thing about her taking advantage is incorrect though. She didn't approach him. She'd already had her story published in 2011 and as far as she was concerned she'd moved on. It was Cohen who went to her (and at least one or two other women) just before the election to pay them off. She was represented by it now looks a lawyer who was in fact working for Trump..Hence she subsequently secured the services of Avanatti. Cohen tried to get her to lie and say that no such affair took place, made it public and therefore breaking the terms of the NDA. He broke the deal, so then all bets are off.

You don’t suppose she would decide not to honor her non disclosure agreement and accept the services of the smarmiest of lawyers being funded by rabid Trump haters In order to obtain a manifold increase over the paltry $130k she has already received?  Nah, you wouldn’t suspect that of such a noble self sacrificing woman who has suffered the indignity of having every orifice in her body stuffed simultaneously on film in order to buy shoes for her waif.

She did honour the NDA, it was Cohen that broke it. And what is it with Americans and sex? It is home to the largest porn industry on the planet, and yet is so uptight about sex. Presumably no-one on this forum ever or has ever watched porn...nope never..  :

She's been vilified because she's a porn performer, yet an arms dealer, or drug dealer isn't vilified so much. Why is that? And why should her career path make her an invalid witness? I don't think she believes she's noble, but then she hasn't asked to be considered so. The difference is, she has nothing to gain by lying (And Trump hasn't said she has) he expects to be believed, and yet lies all the time. And his wife's comments after Ole Rudy spoke for her, speaks volumes.

[Yorkshire pud]

She stuffed her ears?  LOL

I agree with the gist of your argument though.  Trump and Daniels used each other.  She for financial gain and he wanted to fuck a porn star.

Oh? When was she paid after they had sex? I think she said they had sex once at Tahoe. She was paid by Cohen who arranged it because Trump was running for POTUS, not because she asked for it. Neither she, Trump or Cohen has said she was paid as a quid pro quo just after they had the affair in 2006.

[Juan]

Who cares? It was consensual whore hopping.

[Yorkshire pud]

Who cares? It was consensual whore hopping.

Well the election financial regulators care, they care a lot.. 

[Jackstar]

Well the election financial regulators care

Elizabeth Warren agrees Democratic race 'rigged' for Clinton



It's rare that this may be possible, but these "regulators" that you allege are so competent, may actually be more full of shit than you.

P.S.: I see you changed your name back. Fuck off and die.

[Yorkshire pud]

Elizabeth Warren agrees Democratic race 'rigged' for Clinton



It's rare that this may be possible, but these "regulators" that you allege are so competent, may actually be more full of shit than you.

P.S.: I see you changed your name back. Fuck off and die.

Back from what?

Be specific flower boy.

[21st Century Man]

Oh? When was she paid after they had sex? I think she said they had sex once at Tahoe. She was paid by Cohen who arranged it because Trump was running for POTUS, not because she asked for it. Neither she, Trump or Cohen has said she was paid as a quid pro quo just after they had the affair in 2006.

She didn't press the issue until it was expedient for her to do so.  That would have been the months since the election.   I don't understand why she did it with Trump either. Maybe she got off on telling her friends that she fucked Trump.  Who knows? She knows how to press an advantage.  I'm not necessarily blaming her for making the most out of it. 

I don't really give a damn one way or another. 

[PB the Deplorable]

Well the election financial regulators care, they care a lot.. 

Actually, they don't.  Or shouldn't.  It's illegal to use campaign funds for anything not necessary to the campaign, and campaign funds weren't used.  The law was followed as it should have been.  That Moller, the media, and his other enemies want to pretend otherwise isn't a surprise.

Here's the former head of the FEC's op-ed piece in the WSJ on the subject:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/stormy-weather-for-campaign-finance-laws-1523398987   

For those, like me, who don't have a subscription, here's the report on his NYT op-ed from the Epoch Times.  That the Epoch Times found his op-ed piece newsworthy and the usual fake news outlets didn't is no surprise - the ET is a rarity in this day an age - a serious newspaper:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-fec-chairman-trump-lawyers-hush-money-is-not-a-campaign-contribution_2492089.html   

So Pud, now that you know the truth about this issue and the rules that cover it, you can put that bit of fake news behind you.


Moller is incompetent, as his work history to date indicates.  He certainly either doesn't understand campaign funding rules, or more likely, doesn't care.  The fake news media isn't interested in getting things right, they're interested in getting Trump.

After spending millions of dollars, distracting Trump and his administration from implementing his agenda - and, frankly, investigating Obama and his team's illegal interference in the election )the real reason for all this) - ruining the lives of anyone they can with ties to Trump in an attempt to intimidate him -- after all that, after all is said and done, what are they going to do, say ''oh, there's nothing there, never mind''?  I really hope there is a proportional downside for the rats involved with this.

[PB the Deplorable]

Well the election financial regulators care, they care a lot.. 

The truth is, Obama politicized the FBI, the Justice Dept, the CIA, and the the NSA, among other departments and agencies.

The ''interference'' in the election came from the Obama Administration, not Russia.  This whole thing is the result of a scramble to cover their tracks when Trump won the election.  They knew Mrs Clinton wasn't going to investigate the felonies they committed in surveilling Trump and attacking his campaign, but were and are very concerned Trump will.

So his enemies amplify what they don't like about him and try to criminalize it.  They go on endlessly about the lies Trump tells that don't really affect anything.  They repeat verbatim the spin on the weak claims of Moller and the media, as if it's the truth.  The indictments are weak and the spin is crap, yet they act as if they are shocked and concerned about ethics and honesty in government, while ignoring these crimes. 

There is a lot more evidence that Obama and his stooges spied on Trump and otherwise interfered in the elections than there is that Trump colluded with the Russians.  There is a reason for this - Obama's shit-heels did all those things, and Trump didn't do anything he's accused of.

So please don't act as if you are the long suffering observer just pointing out the truth in the face of those who refuse to see.  You aren't.  You have it backwards.

[Juan]

Who cares? Politicians have always paid for whores with campaign funds.