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Zetaspeak

Quote from: pate on February 11, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
I am certain he's an "over-the-top" man, rather than the rather dubious "under-the-roll" type.

That said, I keep the roll sitting on the tank lid or the sink, I don't really have a dog in the Toilet Paper debate.

#MAPA

Good for you! Only elitist have TP hangers

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 11, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
per Mana Yegani, Immigration Lawyer:
Feb. 11, 2017, 9:00pm
"In Kansas City, ICE is planning on detaining worshippers going to Church. ICE presence is going to be on sidewalks."   #ICERaids. #Deportatio
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sub-tweet Comments:
-- This is a whole other level of ungodly, and I'm an atheist.
-- OMG. Churches!???
-- This is heinous, immoral, unChristian and inhuman.

I am an atheist too, so I don't care if these illegals get detained and deported at their "invisible sky god's house of worship."

Also, as you liberal twits point out, America isn't a "Christian" nation, so why ask for "Christian" principles regarding illegal immigrants?

Another thing, where were you when President Barry Obongo deported nearly 3 million illegal immigrants during his eight years?

I am going to offer a word of advice to those on the board who hate Trump.  You don't do yourself any favors by making snide comments on every single thing that Trump does.  I have had my problems with Trump but any inclination to make comments critical of Trump evaporate when I come on the board mainly due to the fact that most of the criticism I read on this board is ridiculous.  You are alienating people when you go after Trump with rude remarks not to mention the whining that goes on with every policy decision he makes.  I'd advise you to tone down your rhetoric if your objective is to persuade others of Trump's faults.  You are simply pushing people to stand firm with Trump and you are not going to win elections that way.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 12, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
I am going to offer a word of advice to those on the board who hate Trump.  You don't do yourself any favors by making snide comments on every single thing that Trump does.  I have had my problems with Trump but any inclination to make comments critical of Trump evaporate when I come on the board mainly due to the fact that most of the criticism I read on this board is ridiculous.  You are alienating people when you go after Trump with rude remarks not to mention the whining that goes on with every policy decision he makes.  I'd advise you to tone down your rhetoric if your objective is to persuade others of Trump's faults.  You are simply pushing people to stand firm with Trump and you are not going to win elections that way.

That's how the game is played. The same thing happened to Obama, when the other side would do all it could to discredit him. Trump wasn't shy about dishing it out either, now he has to take his licks in turn. If Trump does something blatantly unethical, or tells a whopper, people have to call  him on it if it isn't to become the new normal.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 12, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
I am going to offer a word of advice to those on the board who hate Trump.  You don't do yourself any favors by making snide comments on every single thing that Trump does.  I have had my problems with Trump but any inclination to make comments critical of Trump evaporate when I come on the board mainly due to the fact that most of the criticism I read on this board is ridiculous.  You are alienating people when you go after Trump with rude remarks not to mention the whining that goes on with every policy decision he makes.  I'd advise you to tone down your rhetoric if your objective is to persuade others of Trump's faults.  You are simply pushing people to stand firm with Trump and you are not going to win elections that way.

Very noble; Can I suggest you employ at least as robust a critique with Trump. I will never stand in an election, ever. But if Trump insists on treating the high office of POTUS as a continuation of his campaigning (which he does); And whines like a petulant child when he doesn't like a sketch on SNL (Who the hell forces him to watch it?) or multiple sourced news items that he sends his press secretary out to condemn as 'fake'! because he doesn't like the message, he'll be called out on it. Obama was, and far far worse abuse.

Trump et al, are satarists manna from heaven. How can they possibly be taken seriously when their version of reality is different to the rest of the thinking world? How can they be trusted on important, globally critical issues when they lie or get twitched up about basic things?  This isn't even addressing the obvious continuation of Trump inc; despite his assurance he and the family would divest themselves from it. Nor is it touching on the increasing suspicion that he's been far less than honest about his relationship with Putin.

If you're going to get all holier than thou about some of the posts on here towards Trump; you'll get more mileage if you and others use more critical thinking and mention when the current WH are obviously indulging in missinformation and downright lies and bullying. Then possibly, you'll get the doubters to see the upsides of the Trump WH.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
Very noble

I felt the same way. In fact I'm considering invoicing him for all the Kleenex I got through. It's even better if you read it to the sound of a string quartet in the background.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
Very noble; Can I suggest you employ at least as robust a critique with Trump. I will never stand in an election, ever. But if Trump insists on treating the high office of POTUS as a continuation of his campaigning (which he does); And whines like a petulant child when he doesn't like a sketch on SNL (Who the hell forces him to watch it?) or multiple sourced news items that he sends his press secretary out to condemn as 'fake'! because he doesn't like the message, he'll be called out on it. Obama was, and far far worse abuse.

I happen to agree with you on most of what you write in the above paragraph.  Trump should act presidential and not stoop to the level he does in his twitter posts.  I've complained about that for a long time.  I also didn't believe in the birther nonsense and if you told me 5 years ago that the same man that spouted that shit was going to be elected President,  I would have said you were crazy.  Of course, then Hillary ran,and well we weren't left with very good choices.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
Trump et al, are satarists manna from heaven. How can they possibly be taken seriously when their version of reality is different to the rest of the thinking world? How can they be trusted on important, globally critical issues when they lie or get twitched up about basic things?  This isn't even addressing the obvious continuation of Trump inc; despite his assurance he and the family would divest themselves from it. Nor is it touching on the increasing suspicion that he's been far less than honest about his relationship with Putin.

If you're going to get all holier than thou about some of the posts on here towards Trump; you'll get more mileage if you and others use more critical thinking and mention when the current WH are obviously indulging in missinformation and downright lies and bullying. Then possibly, you'll get the doubters to see the upsides of the Trump WH.

Barry lied through his teeth much more than Trump has done.  2 wrongs don't make a right but I don't recall hearing you complain about Obama's lies for example, "You can keep your doctor...."    Or Hillary's lies about Benghazi.  You have selective outrage. Trump did tell some terrible lies during his election campaign especially in regards to his Republican opponents.  My problem with you, Pud and a few others here is you get upset whenever he breathes much less talks.  It is a turnoff and you do yourself no favors.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 12, 2017, 09:33:19 AM
I happen to agree with you on most of what you write in the above paragraph.  Trump should act presidential and not stoop to the level he does in his twitter posts.  I've complained about that for a long time.  I also didn't believe in the birther nonsense and if you told me 5 years ago that the same man that spouted that shit was going to be elected President,  I would have said you were crazy.  Of course, then Hillary ran,and well we weren't left with very good choices.

Barry lied through his teeth much more Trump has done.  2 wrongs don't make a right but I don't recall hearing you complain about Obama's lies for example, "You can keep your doctor...."    Or Hillary's lies about Benghazi.  You have selective outrage. Trump did tell some terrible lies during his election campaign especially in regards to his Republican opponents.  My problem with you, Pud and a few others here is you get upset whenever he breathes much less talks.  It is a turnoff and you do yourself no favors.

Oh come come. ACA was doomed to fail because it wasn't universally supported. And the US healthcare model is profit driven; not patient needs led. Unless the insurance companies are reined in (which they won't be) of their power to literally decide who gets care and who doesn't, the US will not have an equatible healthcare system.

For Trump to announce he'll stuff ACA with no credible replacement will simply and horribly remove healthcare from an estimated 20 million people. Is that the mark of the alleged 'greatest country in the world'. The UK's NHS isn't perfect, and chronically abused by such as Senda and politicians of all shades alike. But the US model has no future if a civilised society is the aim.

As for as Clinton is concerned, I'm no fan at all. Never have been. Although she had the ear of many world leaders because she at least knew who was who and had an understanding of world affairs. Even the Reps acknowledged that.

As for jumping on Trump if he breaths; he conducts 'policy' via Twatter! Isn't there something about him that makes you doubt his sanity? Its been openly discussed by seasoned commentators, who have seen it all, got the t shirt and seen the movie. Using the crass insult of fake news for unfavourable reporting doesn't make it untrue. CNN and other US outlets have wised up to the criticism and have made a point now of reporting exactly what has been said and corroborated. Trump won the election, yet he's still banging on and on about fictitious bus loads going to NH to cast illegal votes! Anyone seen this convoy of 60 buses carrying 3000 people? Lying is the default stance by his spokesmen and women. They do it with lots of loud speeches to bully the listener and ramming the crap down their ears. Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes true as far as they're concerned. And if the listener doesn't 'get' that they must be part of the problem; the enemy; not 'true' Americans. Where have we heard similar?

And his bs about America being the only country worth caring and pulling up the drawbridge unless on his terms is isolationist nonesense. America will lose out taking that stance.

And although I'm sure his public 100% support statement for Japan was a brave thing to say, it jars against his earlier statements with not neccessarilly  protecting friendly countries. Exactly what are allies of the USA supposed to think?

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 10:02:48 AM
Isn't there something about him that makes you doubt his sanity?

You mean that it isn't perfectly normal in Yorkshire to shake another man's hand with one mitt, and then stroke the back of it with the other? I can only imagine what went on with the Japanese PM this weekend. Even if Trump suggested they all play nude leapfrog I bet he would have gone along with it.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 10:02:48 AM
Oh come come. ACA was doomed to fail because it wasn't universally supported. And the US healthcare model is profit driven; not patient needs led. Unless the insurance companies are reined in (which they won't be) of their power to literally decide who gets care and who doesn't, the US will not have an equatible healthcare system.

For Trump to announce he'll stuff ACA with no credible replacement will simply and horribly remove healthcare from an estimated 20 million people. Is that the mark of the alleged 'greatest country in the world'. The UK's NHS isn't perfect, and chronically abused by such as Senda and politicians of all shades alike. But the US model has no future if a civilised society is the aim.

As for as Clinton is concerned, I'm no fan at all. Never have been. Although she had the ear of many world leaders because she at least knew who was who and had an understanding of world affairs. Even the Reps acknowledged that.

As for jumping on Trump if he breaths; he conducts 'policy' via Twatter! Isn't there something about him that makes you doubt his sanity? Its been openly discussed by seasoned commentators, who have seen it all, got the t shirt and seen the movie. Using the crass insult of fake news for unfavourable reporting doesn't make it untrue. CNN and other US outlets have wised up to the criticism and have made a point now of reporting exactly what has been said and corroborated. Trump won the election, yet he's still banging on and on about fictitious bus loads going to NH to cast illegal votes! Anyone seen this convoy of 60 buses carrying 3000 people? Lying is the default stance by his spokesmen and women. They do it with lots of loud speeches to bully the listener and ramming the crap down their ears. Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes true as far as they're concerned. And if the listener doesn't 'get' that they must be part of the problem; the enemy; not 'true' Americans. Where have we heard similar?

And his bs about America being the only country worth caring and pulling up the drawbridge unless on his terms is isolationist nonesense. America will lose out taking that stance.

No one is going to lose their healthcare except for those, mainly young, who don't want to pay for it.  I will agree with you that American health care should not be driven by profit.  Trump should keep his rhetoric behind closed doors and not on Twitter.  I don't see him going daily on an on about the election but I have cut down on news a lot since the election.  I'll check the headlines but that is about it.  What I have observed is there is a lot of fake news everywhere.  I wish there was news site that just reported the news without inserting opinions in their coverage.  Maybe some innovative young journalists will eventually fill that hole.

pate

Quote from: SredniVashtar on February 12, 2017, 09:00:23 AM
...Obama...

Quote from: SredniVashtar on February 12, 2017, 09:22:17 AM
... all the Kleenex I got through...

Your palms are gonna get hairy if you don't slow it down a tick..

We lost our health insurance due to Obamacare. For 2017 they raised the premium on the cheapest bronze plan to $1349/month! THIRTEEN HUNDRED FORTY NINE US DOLLARS!! That's for two people. We had no choice but to drop it.

It's a monopoly. Only one company offers insurance here. If they would allow competition across state lines I think rates would come down.

Just heed my advice, pud, and be more selective in your criticism and maybe you won't get the number of shit posts that you do though I am well aware you are capable of handling yourself...sometimes anyway. ;D  I'm tired.  I slept 3 hours and it is catching up with me.

Quote from: Radio Activity on February 12, 2017, 10:27:04 AM
We lost our health insurance due to Obamacare. For 2017 they raised the premium on the cheapest bronze plan to $1349/month! THIRTEEN HUNDRED FORTY NINE US DOLLARS!! That's for two people. We had no choice but to drop it.

It's a monopoly. Only one company offers insurance here. If they would allow competition across state lines I think rates would come down.

That is insane.  I hear stories like this all of the time.  Obama's plan made things worse for the vast majority of people.

pate

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
... How can they possibly be taken seriously when their version of reality is different to the rest of the thinking world? How can they be trusted on important, globally critical issues when they lie or get twitched up about basic things?  ...

Five yard penalty for unintentional double entendre, repeat first Downs.



Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 10:02:48 AM
... the US healthcare model is profit driven; not patient needs led...

The economy is ''profit driven'', at least the parts of it that work best.  ''Profit driven'' and ''patients needs led'' are not only not mutually exclusive, they compliment each other.

There are several major problems with the US healthcare system.  One is the government is already too involved, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA system, various agencies and programs at all levels of government.  With everything any government anywhere becomes involved with, there is more bureaucracy, costs are dramatically more than they would be in the private sector, and service is worse.  When businesses are free to offer products and services on the open market, prices go down, service is better, red tape is minimized.

Another main problem is the people selecting and paying for the service (through insurance) are not the people using the service.  Whether that's employers providing health insurance plans for employees, or the government providing service for various groups who qualify.  Of course that model would drive prices higher, as employers buy one-size fits all policies.  Those using the product should be the ones selecting and paying for it directly - whether it's health insurance or paying out of pocket for routine checkups. 

The other problem is mis-education.  The socialists in charge of our schools and media have drummed it into society that ''profit is bad'', and especially in medical care.  The underlying narrative is ''no one should be profiting from healthcare''.  The Left has been on a 100 year Long March to force socialized medicine on us.  In a side by side comparison, the waste in government healthcare would dwarf private sector profits, making it more expensive overall - not to mention the lower quality, shoddy service, and more red tape.

Medicare for the elderly, Medicaid for the poor, and VA benefits for returning soldiers can be funded by the government the way they are now, but with the consumer choosing coverage and private providers (the VA would remain open to provide services specific to disabled war vets).  As capitalism isn't perfect, whatever issues arise can be covered with intelligent regulations.

TigerLily

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 12, 2017, 10:19:59 AM
No one is going to lose their healthcare except for those, mainly young, who don't want to pay for it.  I will agree with you that American health care should not be driven by profit.  Trump should keep his rhetoric behind closed doors and not on Twitter.  I don't see him going daily on an on about the election but I have cut down on news a lot since the election.  I'll check the headlines but that is about it.  What I have observed is there is a lot of fake news everywhere. I wish there was news site that just reported the news without inserting opinions in their coverage. Maybe some innovative young journalists will eventually fill that hole.

TigerLily's go to sources, among others:

There are the 6 media companies that exist today. There used to be 88. These 6 all get their news from Reuters and the Associated Press.

Historically, no single individual has been permitted to own more than 15% of Reuters, under the first of the Reuters Principles, which states, “Reuters shall at no time pass into the hands of any one interest, group or faction.”

The Associated Press is a not for profit company owned by its members.
The Associated Press is governed by an elected board of directors. Since January 26, 2012, the Chairman is Mary Junck, President, CEO and Chairman of Lee Enterprises.

TigerLily

Quote from: SredniVashtar on February 12, 2017, 10:19:27 AM
You mean that it isn't perfectly normal in Yorkshire to shake another man's hand with one mitt, and then stroke the back of it with the other? I can only imagine what went on with the Japanese PM this weekend. Even if Trump suggested they all play nude leapfrog I bet he would have gone along with it.

heh heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUIEGgUmdWg

TigerLily

Quote from: Radio Activity on February 12, 2017, 10:27:04 AM
We lost our health insurance due to Obamacare. For 2017 they raised the premium on the cheapest bronze plan to $1349/month! THIRTEEN HUNDRED FORTY NINE US DOLLARS!! That's for two people. We had no choice but to drop it.

It's a monopoly. Only one company offers insurance here. If they would allow competition across state lines I think rates would come down.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 12, 2017, 10:29:46 AM
That is insane.  I hear stories like this all of the time.  Obama's plan made things worse for the vast majority of people.

Republicans insisted insurance companies had a free hand in setting premiums. Don't believe me? Check the record. Besides at least in California you get back any premium payments over a certain amount in your tax return. Not like that everywhere?

Meister_000

The Observer |  02-12-17 10:00am
The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins
http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/

". . . the still-forming Trump administration is already doing serious harm to America’s longstanding global intelligence partnerships. In particular, fears that the White House is too friendly to Moscow are causing close allies to curtail some of their espionage relationships with Washingtonâ€"a development with grave implications for international security, particularly in the all-important realm of counterterrorism."

"Now those concerns are causing problems much closer to homeâ€"in fact, inside the Beltway itself. Our Intelligence Community is so worried by the unprecedented problems of the Trump administrationâ€"not only do senior officials possess troubling ties to the Kremlin, there are nagging questions about basic competence regarding Team Trumpâ€"that it is beginning to withhold intelligence from a White House which our spies do not trust."

"Trump’s personal national security guru can’t seem to keep his story straight on vital issues.
That’s Mike Flynn, the retired Army three-star general who now heads the National Security Council. Widely disliked in Washington for his brash personality and preference for conspiracy-theorizing over intelligence facts, Flynn was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency for managerial incompetence and poor judgmentâ€"flaws he has brought to the far more powerful and political NSC."

Flynn (details re recent) . . . [CONT] . . .

" . . . the president simply isn’t paying attention to intelligence.
In light of this, and out of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets."


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 12, 2017, 12:25:03 PM
The Observer |  02-12-17 10:00am
The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins
http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/

". . . the still-forming Trump administration is already doing serious harm to America’s longstanding global intelligence partnerships. In particular, fears that the White House is too friendly to Moscow are causing close allies to curtail some of their espionage relationships with Washingtonâ€"a development with grave implications for international security, particularly in the all-important realm of counterterrorism."

"Now those concerns are causing problems much closer to homeâ€"in fact, inside the Beltway itself. Our Intelligence Community is so worried by the unprecedented problems of the Trump administrationâ€"not only do senior officials possess troubling ties to the Kremlin, there are nagging questions about basic competence regarding Team Trumpâ€"that it is beginning to withhold intelligence from a White House which our spies do not trust."

"Trump’s personal national security guru can’t seem to keep his story straight on vital issues.
That’s Mike Flynn, the retired Army three-star general who now heads the National Security Council. Widely disliked in Washington for his brash personality and preference for conspiracy-theorizing over intelligence facts, Flynn was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency for managerial incompetence and poor judgmentâ€"flaws he has brought to the far more powerful and political NSC."

Flynn (details re recent) . . . [CONT] . . .

" . . . the president simply isn’t paying attention to intelligence.
In light of this, and out of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets."


This was predicted weeks ago when Trump first derided the 17 sections of the security services. They won't forget his likening them to Nazis or being instrumental in what he 'thinks' is fake intelligence. Scary times.

Yorkshire pud

What Trump's friend has to say about Priebus.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/trump-christopher-ruddy-reince-priebus-cnntv/index.html

And what Trump discussed with the Japanese PM.

Quote
Ruddy spent Friday night with Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, tweeting: "@POTUS super impressed by (Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo) Abe. Our topics: Media, Haberman, NY Times, 'Fake News', Nordstrom's, China, Putin, Nukes, more."
Trump spent his weekend at Mar-a-Lago with Abe as his guest.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose they could have dropped China, nukes and Putin and discuss more pressing things; Self tanning, ideal tie length, founding fake universities, best BDSM clubs in Moscow, how often to say 'amazing', 'beautiful', and 'incredible,' in the same sentence.  ;D

Meister_000

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
This was predicted weeks ago when Trump first derided the 17 sections of the security services. They won't forget his likening them to Nazis or being instrumental in what he 'thinks' is fake intelligence. Scary times.
Yes, I recall, and I'm praying "The Adults" will take care of buisness, and quickly. Hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I grow weary and impatient. I honestly don't know how long Earth can endure the stress and disruption of this Cretin's elevation. Will some semblance of normality ever return? How long is too long, how far too far?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 12, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
Yes, I recall, and I'm praying "The Adults" will take care of buisness, and quickly. Hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I grow weary and impatient. I honestly don't know how long Earth can endure the stress and disruption of this Cretin's elevation. Will some semblance of normality ever return? How long is too long, how far too far?

It's absurd quotes like this that almost make me wish Trump would become as hard line as people are making him out to be. I don't just want the corpocratic liberals to be afraid, I want their whole corrupt world to come crumbling down all around them. I want them in ruin. Way to go, President Trump!  ;D

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 12, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
Yes, I recall, and I'm praying "The Adults" will take care of buisness, and quickly. Hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I grow weary and impatient. I honestly don't know how long Earth can endure the stress and disruption of this Cretin's elevation. Will some semblance of normality ever return? How long is too long, how far too far?

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 12, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
I am going to offer a word of advice to those on the board who hate Trump.  You don't do yourself any favors by making snide comments on every single thing that Trump does.  I have had my problems with Trump but any inclination to make comments critical of Trump evaporate when I come on the board mainly due to the fact that most of the criticism I read on this board is ridiculous.  You are alienating people when you go after Trump with rude remarks not to mention the whining that goes on with every policy decision he makes.  I'd advise you to tone down your rhetoric if your objective is to persuade others of Trump's faults.  You are simply pushing people to stand firm with Trump and you are not going to win elections that way.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
This was predicted weeks ago when Trump first derided the 17 sections of the security services. They won't forget his likening them to Nazis or being instrumental in what he 'thinks' is fake intelligence. Scary times.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
... It wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose they could have dropped China, nukes and Putin and discuss more pressing things; Self tanning, ideal tie length, founding fake universities, best BDSM clubs in Moscow, how often to say 'amazing', 'beautiful', and 'incredible,' in the same sentence.  ;D



Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 12, 2017, 12:25:03 PM
The Observer |  02-12-17 10:00am
The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins
http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/

". . . the still-forming Trump administration is already doing serious harm to America’s longstanding global intelligence partnerships. In particular, fears that the White House is too friendly to Moscow are causing close allies to curtail some of their espionage relationships with Washingtonâ€"a development with grave implications for international security, particularly in the all-important realm of counterterrorism."

"Now those concerns are causing problems much closer to homeâ€"in fact, inside the Beltway itself. Our Intelligence Community is so worried by the unprecedented problems of the Trump administrationâ€"not only do senior officials possess troubling ties to the Kremlin, there are nagging questions about basic competence regarding Team Trumpâ€"that it is beginning to withhold intelligence from a White House which our spies do not trust."

"Trump’s personal national security guru can’t seem to keep his story straight on vital issues.
That’s Mike Flynn, the retired Army three-star general who now heads the National Security Council. Widely disliked in Washington for his brash personality and preference for conspiracy-theorizing over intelligence facts, Flynn was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency for managerial incompetence and poor judgmentâ€"flaws he has brought to the far more powerful and political NSC."

Flynn (details re recent) . . . [CONT] . . .

" . . . the president simply isn’t paying attention to intelligence.
In light of this, and out of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets."


This from the link you posted:

Quote
What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.

Doesn't that make you feel scared?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 03:09:40 PM



You didn't read the piece in the Observer then? Of course not; you'll parrot the Trump and Spicer mantra.




Quote
What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.

None of this has happened in Washington before. A White House with unsettling links to Moscow wasn’t something anybody in the Pentagon or the Intelligence Community even considered a possibility until a few months ago. Until Team Trump clarifies its strange relationship with the Kremlin, and starts working on its professional honesty, the IC will approach the administration with caution and concern.

I previously warned the Trump administration not to go to war with the nation’s spies, and here’s why. This is a risky situation, particularly since President Trump is prone to creating crises foreign and domestic with his incautious tweets. In the event of a serious international crisis of the sort which eventually befalls almost every administration, the White House will need the best intelligence possible to prevent war, possibly even nuclear war. It may not get the information it needs in that hour of crisis, and for that it has nobody to blame but itself.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books.

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