President Donald J. Trump

[Lt.Uhura]

First off, as National Security Advisor to the incoming administration, it doesn't seem to me like he did anything wrong.

Come on PB, your excuses are wearing thin. There's more...

And we're supposed to believe Flynn acted alone?

Some Think Flynn Might Have Violated the Logan Act

[Lt.Uhura]

Even Kelly Anne can't keep up with this latest charade. Just hours before Flynn's resignation she said Trump had "full confidence" in Flynn.

[Yorkshire pud]

First off, as National Security Advisor to the incoming administration, it doesn't seem to me like he did anything wrong.  Putin is a war criminal, but he also happens to be the Russian leader and we should be working together on issues of mutual interest - which means getting off to a good start if possible

Of course he did something wrong! He briefed the Russian ambassador during the campaign, in total five times.Including the possibility he soothed the sanctions Obama had put in place; what sparked the spooks was Russia doing absolutely nothing when the Russian spooks were expelled; oh, other than throwing a party for the US ambassadors kids in Moscow!

Not only but also, the WH were told he was a security risk before he was given his job by Trump (A month ago!) They knew he was a security risk and still employed him, suggesting they didn't care! They didn't care because they told him to do it.

But compare and contrast the actions taken by corrupt Democrat administrations supported by the corrupt Media, vs the actions taken by everyone else when there is a hint of scandal.

Holder and the gun running to Mexican cartels comes to mind, or Loretta Lynches' ''meeting'' with Bill Clinton on the tarmac, but there are any number of other incidents one could point to in the Carter and Obama regimes alone.

Forget the fucking Dems; enough! This is potential treason on a major scale; not stupidly using private servers. Flynn resigned because he was caught in public; not because he has done the deed.

[Dr. MD MD]

They should just hand power back over to the deep state, let them have a puppet president and then these protesting assholes will go back to sleep again, like they've been for the past 8 years, like where they've were their whole lives. And everyone will be happy that we're being lied to because the people leading us know better than we do.  :

[Yorkshire pud]

They should just hand power back over to the deep state, let them have a puppet president and then these protesting assholes will go back to sleep again, like they've been for the past 8 years, like where they've were their whole lives. And everyone will be happy that we're being lied to because the people leading us know better than we do.  :

What does any of that mean?

[Dr. MD MD]

What does any of that mean?

You'd have to possess some intelligence to understand it, pud. Go back to getting talking points from your handler.  :

[Yorkshire pud]

Trump and truth; unlikely bedfellows. Oh, save the 'limey cuck' insults, he's covered that. Lol. 



https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/video/2017/feb/13/john-oliver-dissects-donald-trump-problem-truth-video

[Yorkshire pud]

You'd have to possess some intelligence to understand it, pud. Go back to getting talking points from your handler.  :

You sure you don't work for Bannon? Security bloke resigns because he isn't, erm secure, and you don't even refer to it. Hypocrite? Much?

[Yorkshire pud]

http://www.theonion.com/article/secret-service-adds-emotional-protection-division--55263

Secret Service director Joseph Clancy, noting that the president’s detail is specially trained in assessing risks and minimizing any opportunity for him to feel insecure or belittled. “His psyche could be put in grave danger from unfavorable poll numbers or suddenly come under attack from a White House press corps heavily armed with uncomfortable questions.”

“All of our agents stand ready to lay down their lives to ensure nothing can hurt President Trump’s feelings.”

[Dr. MD MD]

You sure you don't work for Bannon? Security bloke resugns because he isn't, erm secure, and you don't even refer to it. Hypocrite? Much?

Took you awhile to come up with yet another lame response. You're so enamored of your own bullshit!  :

Yeah, all he told the ambassador that he couldn't discuss sanctions with them until Trump was sworn in and to you guys that's discussing sanctions  :

Hey, remember this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JpPU-SwcbE

Funny, no public outcry then. Oh yeah, it's cuz Obama and he's pretty n'shit.  :

[Yorkshire pud]

Took you awhile to come up with yet another lame response. You're so enamored of your own bullshit!  :

Yeah, all he told the ambassador that he couldn't discuss sanctions with them until Trump was sworn in and to you guys that's discussing sanctions  :

Course he did.  :  Don't stop believing...

[Dr. MD MD]

Course he did.  :  Don't stop believing...

Obama was caught on vid doing the same exact thing but when he did it's cool, right?

[Yorkshire pud]

Funny, no public outcry then. Oh yeah, it's cuz Obama and he's pretty n'shit.  :

Oh? This forum went mad about it! Reps were accusing Obama of all sorts of shit. Flynn gets paid to attend a dinner hosted by Putin's RT TV in Moscow, sits with Putin, has several chats with the Russian ambassador in DC, Putin doesn't reciprocate spook expulsions, Trump says that Putin is a 'smart man' for not doing so, openly discusses lifting sanctions (due to their illegal annexing of Crimea) and you see no problem?

Yep. You really are an idiot. A blind one. But an idiot nonetheless.

[Yorkshire pud]

Obama was caught on vid doing the same exact thing but when he did it's cool, right?

No he didn't you fucking moron. If I need to explain it I will, but it will be pointless.

[Dr. MD MD]

Oh? This forum went mad about it! Reps were accusing Obama of all sorts of shit. Flynn gets paid to attend a dinner hosted by Putin's RT TV in Moscow, sits with Putin, has several chats with the Russian ambassador in DC, Putin doesn't reciprocate spook expulsions, Trump says that Putin is a 'smart man' for not doing so, openly discusses lifting sanctions (due to their illegal annexing of Crimea) and you see no problem?

Yep. You really are an idiot. A blind one. But an idiot nonetheless.

pud, I get that you and GB are always going to be pressing the Russia alarm. You've been doing it ever since the communist revolution because the idea of the peasants taking over scared the hell out of your king. So, you propped up a fascist government in Germany in the hopes of scaring them and keeping them at bay but then they started to attack you and we had to get involved yet again. You country's foreign policy was disastrous in the 20th century and you think we should be folling your lead now?!  :

[Yorkshire pud]

pud, I get that you and GB are always going to be pressing the Russia alarm. You've been doing it ever since the communist revolution because the idea of the peasants taking over scared the hell out of your king. So, you propped up a fascist government in Germany in the hopes of scaring them and keeping them at bay but then they started to attack you and we had to get involved yet again. You country's foreign policy was disastrous in the 20th century and you think we should be folling your lead now?!  :

You're officially demented.

[Dr. MD MD]

You're officially demented.

And you're a know-nothing slut who knows nothing of history. All you know is what your gov't official talking points are.  :

[PB the Deplorable]

Rinse and repeat, jeez, don't you go on?

If Flynn is lying about what he's up to behind people's backs then,  yeah, he's got to go. If you can't see that then you have no credibility whatsover, lost inside your talk radio bubble.

I wish I had time to listen to talk radio, but the hosts I like are on while I'm at work.  Anyway, this is incredibly miniscule compared to some of the goings on during the Clinton and Obama regimes that were absolutely ignored by people making this an issue now that it's laughable.  Sorry f I don't join in on the hypocrisy or embrace the double standards.

[Yorkshire pud]

I wish I had time to listen to talk radio, but the hosts I like are on while I'm at work.  Anyway, this is incredibly miniscule compared to some of the goings on during the Clinton and Obama regimes that were absolutely ignored by people making this an issue now that it's laughable.  Sorry f I don't join in on the hypocrisy or embrace the double standards.

You know this happened, because....?

[PB the Deplorable]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/flynn-was-paid-by-russia-for-2015-trip

...Such a payment might violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which prohibits former military officers from receiving money from a foreign government without consent from Congress. The defense officials said there was no record that Mr. Flynn, a retired three-star Army general, filed the required paperwork for the trip.

I guess paper work is for little people?

Follow the money...

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/314298-senate-intel-committee-to-probe-russian-interference-in-election

We just had a sitting Secretary of State who was collecting cash through her and her husbands ''charitable foundation'' - including from foreign governments like Saudi Arabia - then funneling it to her campaign.  What did the Clinton crime family rake in altogether, a billion dollars?  More?

It's illegal to take bribe money.  It's illegal to take foreign campaign contributions.  But she found a loophole, and had a friendly media and a friendly administration, so she got away with breaking the spirit if not the letter of these laws. 

Having done the proper ''paper-work'' she was a wonderful candidate for you to vote for.  So, please.

[PB the Deplorable]

Come on PB, your excuses are wearing thin. There's more...

And we're supposed to believe Flynn acted alone?

Some Think Flynn Might Have Violated the Logan Act

When they hang John Kerry for treason under the Logan Act for his actions during the Paris Peace Accords, get back to me.

[PB the Deplorable]

Of course he did something wrong! He briefed the Russian ambassador during the campaign, in total five times.Including the possibility he soothed the sanctions Obama had put in place; what sparked the spooks was Russia doing absolutely nothing when the Russian spooks were expelled; oh, other than throwing a party for the US ambassadors kids in Moscow!...

Forget the fucking Dems; enough! This is potential treason on a major scale; not stupidly using private servers. Flynn resigned because he was caught in public; not because he has done the deed.

This was weeks before the incoming administration, which he represented, was going to take office.  It's called ''The transition''.  I don't know if he briefed Trump or not, or whether he's taking the fall now to get the issue out of the headlines.  There are a huge amount of issues to address, administrative, policy, diplomatic, etc, and the incoming president simply can't be available for every item.  Obama was doing everything he could think of to throw a monkey wrench into the transition team's efforts.  These last minute sanctions were part of that as an effort to hamstring Trump diplomatically with the Russians.  People do their jobs based on what they believe the commander-in-chief wants and needs.

Let me repeat that:  Obama was doing everything he could think of to throw a monkey wrench into the transition team's efforts.  These last minute sanctions were part of that as an effort to hamstring Trump diplomatically with the Russians.  The reason for the sanctions in the first place was they were part of the campaign to delegitimize Trump's victory by claiming it was due to ''the Russians hacking the election'' (which didn't happen).



So first you were bitching because Trump didn't have everything he promised to do on his first day lined up and ready to go, now you're bitching because his transition team was in contact with foreign government and discussing diplomacy.  This is ridiculous.


If the Russians had done what most countries do in this situation and responded with sanctions of their own, everyone would be happy?

They ended up not escalating.  Perhaps you can explain how that damaged the US?

[PB the Deplorable]

... Forget the fucking Dems; enough! This is potential treason on a major scale; not stupidly using private servers...

Umm, stupidly using unsecure private servers to store emails containing classified email.  Classified email at the Secretary of State level, which is pretty close to the highest clearance.

Which were then hacked.

But it's not a problem, because the Fake New Media says it's not a problem.

[aldousburbank]

Some Think Flynn Might Have Violated the Logan Act

But did he support the Port Huron Statement?

[Yorkshire pud]

This was weeks before the incoming administration, which he represented, was going to take office.  It's called the transition.

He did it during the campaigning, last year. He was a guest of Putin at an awards dinner. How many US civilians have you heard of doing that?
The security services informed Yates he was a security risk weeks ago, and susceptible to blackmail. She in turn told the WH. They did nothing. Why? Might it be because the WH didn't see it a problem because they knew he'd been in contact with Putin et al at their bidding? Let's hope that if and when the two houses launch a hearing he doesn't squawk his guts eh? If we give the WH the benefit of the doubt and they didn't know until now, then they're incompetent, for ignoring the advice they were given. Either way, its not good.

I don't know if he briefed Trump or not, or whether he's taking the fall now to get the issue out of the headlines.  There are a huge amount of issues to address, administrative, policy, diplomatic, etc, and the incoming president simply can't be available for every item.

I'm no spook, but I'd say national security is up near the top, maybe just below keeping Trump's image favourable.

  Obama was doing everything he could think of to throw a monkey wrench into the transition team's efforts.  These last minute sanctions were part of that as an effort to hamstring Trump diplomatically with the Russians.  People do their jobs based on what they believe the commander-in-chief wants and needs.

Those 'last minute sanctions' were in place earlier last year. And they were in place because Putin is a fucking thug, a murderous one. But if you think giving a pass to him is appropriate consider also he has his political opponents murdered and journalists killed too. If you think he's a good guy then your moral compass is awry. It had fuck all to do with Trump coming in, and if Trump wasn't Putin's bitch, he'd have no problem with it. The fucker has lied about even knowing Putin. He denies he does, but has gone on record as knowing and liking him; which is it?

Let me repeat that:  Obama was doing everything he could think of to throw a monkey wrench into the transition team's efforts.  These last minute sanctions were part of that as an effort to hamstring Trump diplomatically with the Russians.

See above.

So first you were bitching because Trump didn't have everything he promised to do on his first day lined up and ready to go, now you're bitching because his transition team was in contact with foreign government and discussing diplomacy.  This is ridiculous.

In contact with Russia to reassure them that Trump might lift the sanctions before Trump was sworn in. In other words, undermining the then president. That is treason.

If the Russians had done what most countries do in this situation and responded with sanctions of their own, everyone would be happy?

Ironically, if they had, this wouldn't have happened! The fact they didn't, flagged up a non action never before done since the end of WW2! Yeah, I can see it being suspicious!  :

They ended up not escalating.  Perhaps you can explain how that damaged the US?

Oh, maybe because it suggests that Flynn (and by extension, up to and including Trump) has a more than cosy relationship with Putin. A leak the other day said that the CIA considers the situation room in the WH has having a direct line to Moscow. You happy about that? If you're happy about Puitn effectively controlling the current POTUS, fine; but I doubt most of the West will agree with you.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Even Kelly Anne can't keep up with this latest charade. Just hours before Flynn's resignation she said Trump had "full confidence" in Flynn.

[paladin1991]

Rob Reiner (the comedian and political observer apparently) tweeted;
"Flynn is just the tip of the iceberg. Follow him, Carter Page, Manafort, Roger Stone. They all lead to Putin who leads to Donald Trump. #Impeachment "

Reiner.   Reiner.  Oh yeah, Meathead. 

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_1NPQVlwaM

[paladin1991]

Took you awhile to come up with yet another lame response. You're so enamored of your own bullshit!  :

Yeah, all he told the ambassador that he couldn't discuss sanctions with them until Trump was sworn in and to you guys that's discussing sanctions  :

Hey, remember this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JpPU-SwcbE

Funny, no public outcry then. Oh yeah, it's cuz Obama and he's pretty n'shit.  :

Racist ass nugget!  You didn't even praise his blackness.  What does it take with you ppl?

[paladin1991]

Obama was caught on vid doing the same exact thing but when he did it's cool, right?

https://youtu.be/KTLYmxtaxbk