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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

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Quote from: TigerLily on February 12, 2017, 11:59:51 AM
Republicans insisted insurance companies had a free hand in setting premiums. Don't believe me? Check the record. Besides at least in California you get back any premium payments over a certain amount in your tax return. Not like that everywhere?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it's ObamaCare, that passed with zero input in committee from the Rs, and zero Republican votes on the bill.  The deal was put together behind closed doors with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, her toadies, and the insurance company lobbyists.  Then it had to be rushed to a vote because every poll showed the American people were overwhelmingly against it.  ''You have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill''. 

It should actually be called Nancy-Pelosi-And-Her-Insurance-Lobby-Campaign-Contributors-Care.

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 12, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
Yes, I recall, and I'm praying "The Adults" will take care of buisness, and quickly. Hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I grow weary and impatient. I honestly don't know how long Earth can endure the stress and disruption of this Cretin's elevation. Will some semblance of normality ever return? How long is too long, how far too far?

Get outside, get some air, and please get some perspective.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it's ObamaCare, that passed with zero input in committee from the Rs, and zero Republican votes on the bill.  The deal was put together behind closed doors with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, her toadies, and the insurance company lobbyists.  Then it had to be rushed to a vote because every poll showed the American people were overwhelmingly against it.  ''You have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill''. 

It should actually be called Nancy-Pelosi-And-Her-Insurance-Lobby-Campaign-Contributors-Care.


And the Reps have had six years to formulate what they believe is a viable solution; annnnnndddd?

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
You didn't read the piece in the Observer then? Of course not; you'll parrot the Trump and Spicer mantra.

Ever hear the story of the boy who cried ''wolf''?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on February 12, 2017, 03:25:28 PM
Get outside, get some air, and please get some perspective.

Oh, please elucidate the finer points of the entirely innocent relationship that Messrs, Trump and Flynn have with Putin. Bearing in mind that Trump has ever denied meeting Putin and also admitted knowing him and liming him.  ;D

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
Ever hear the story of the boy who cried ''wolf''?

Ever heard of treason? But then, the current WH could burn the place down and you'd find it was justified because at least it isn't Obama.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 03:26:51 PM

And the Reps have had six years to formulate what they believe is a viable solution; annnnnndddd?

We'll be getting around to Trump and the Establishment Rs in DC eventually.

Still in the glow of the defeat of the Clinton Crime family, the ''Progressives'', the Democrats, the domestic terrorist groups like BLM, Hollywood, the DC Establishment Rs and Ds, the ''professional'' political class, the government employees unions, etc.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
We'll be getting around to Trump and the Establishment Rs in DC eventually.

Still in the glow of the defeat of the Clinton Crime family, the ''Progressives'', the Democrats, the domestic terrorist groups like BLM, Hollywood, the DC Establishment Rs and Ds, the ''professional'' political class, the government employees unions, etc.

Blah blah...b blahh blah. B blah. Blah.... liberals, commies, Clinton, blaah. Blahhh..

I know its been nearly a month, but Clinton isn't the POTUS, or Obama. And the Reps have had six years to come up with a viable alternative to ACA. Yet Trump would much prefer to bang on and on about his non popular vote and his daughter's non selling rags.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
Oh, please elucidate the finer points of the entirely innocent relationship that Messrs, Trump and Flynn have with Putin. Bearing in mind that Trump has ever denied meeting Putin and also admitted knowing him and liming him.  ;D

I would actually like a stronger and more robust alliance with Russia.

Europe is on a decline with their influx of radicalized and weaponized muslim immigrants.

The UK better start working the shaft of the US and sucking the balls of Russia if they want any sort of relevance.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
Blah blah...b blahh blah. B blah. Blah.... liberals, commies, Clinton, blaah. Blahhh..

I know its been nearly a month, but Clinton isn't the POTUS, or Obama. And the Reps have had six years to come up with a viable alternative to ACA. Yet Trump would much prefer to bang on and on about his non popular vote and his daughter's non selling rags.

Yorkshire in full meltdown mode.

Don't worry, I am sure he will tire himself out and cry himself to sleep.

And the sun will still rise and the Lord will still bless President Donald J. Trump.

Sweet Dreams, Yorkshire Pud!

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
... I know its been nearly a month, but Clinton isn't the POTUS, or Obama...

And isn't that fantastic!  Still enjoying the moment.

That reckless illegal ''treaty'' with Iran is far more dangerous than anything Trump's been doing.  The stealing of the State Department classified information from Hilary's illegal unsecure server is far more damaging than anything Trump has done. 

But of course none of that mattered then, and none of that matters now.  Which is why all the paranoia we're getting now from the same folks that didn't give a shit then is not very convincing.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 03:52:22 PM
...  The stealing of the State Department classified information from Hilary's illegal unsecure server is far more damaging than anything Trump has done...

And to this day, the only thing the Democrats have shown any concern about is the leaked emails showing how corrupt they are as a party - cheating Bernie Sanders during the primaries, Donna Brazille passing debate questions to Hilary in advance.  No remorse, no accountability, no responses to investigative inquiries, just more attacks on everyone one else (FBI, Trump, Russians, Congressional hearings, etc).

What about the classified information that was hacked that is damaging to the country?  We don't hear a thing about that, just ''poor Hilary''.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on February 12, 2017, 03:39:24 PM
I would actually like a stronger and more robust alliance with Russia.

Europe is on a decline with their influx of radicalized and weaponized muslim immigrants.

The UK better start working the shaft of the US and sucking the balls of Russia if they want any sort of relevance.

Yeah but you say that because a) you're an idiot and b) you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
And to this day, the only thing the Democrats have shown any concern about is the leaked emails showing how corrupt they are as a party - cheating Bernie Sanders during the primaries, Donna Brazille passing debate questions to Hilary in advance.  No remorse, no accountability, no responses to investigative inquiries, just more attacks on everyone one else (FBI, Trump, Russians, Congressional hearings, etc).

What about the classified information that was hacked that is damaging to the country?  We don't hear a thing about that, just ''poor Hilary''.

You know the phrase ' ongoing invstigation' yeah? The US spooks are briefing that they have corroboration of Trump's ties with Putin, and not friendly to the USA. But I'm sure its one unfortunate misunderstanding... ::)

GravitySucks

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
And to this day, the only thing the Democrats have shown any concern about is the leaked emails showing how corrupt they are as a party - cheating Bernie Sanders during the primaries, Donna Brazille passing debate questions to Hilary in advance.  No remorse, no accountability, no responses to investigative inquiries, just more attacks on everyone one else (FBI, Trump, Russians, Congressional hearings, etc).

What about the classified information that was hacked that is damaging to the country?  We don't hear a thing about that, just ''poor Hilary''.


So, sorry if all this anti-Trump hysteria isn't ringing true.  It's to the point I don't even follow the daily turns in the Democrat Fake News Media.  I don't think many do.

There were at approximately 1000 emails deleted by HRC between her and General Petraeus. The DoD identified them on their end. You can bet that there was classified info in those emails. Probably a lot of juicy stuff on Benghazi as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/1000-clinton-petraeus-emails-missing-from-records-sent-to-state-fbi-files-show.html

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:07:03 PM
You know the phrase ' ongoing invstigation' yeah? The US spooks are briefing that they have corroboration of Trump's ties with Putin, and not friendly to the USA. But I'm sure its one unfortunate misunderstanding... ::)


Sorry if all this anti-Trump hysteria isn't ringing true.  How much of it is Fake News - either flat out lies, or something blown completely out of proportion? 

If The Democrat Fake News Media wants to start being taken seriously even a little by middle America, they need to tone the hate way back, otherwise we'll continue to simply ignore them.  Like I said, it's the Boy Who Cried Wolf, all over again.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 12, 2017, 04:07:34 PM
There were at approximately 1000 emails deleted by HRC between her and General Petraeus. The DoD identified them on their end. You can bet that there was classified info in those emails. Probably a lot of juicy stuff on Benghazi as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/1000-clinton-petraeus-emails-missing-from-records-sent-to-state-fbi-files-show.html


I'm all for Clinton or anyone else being investigated for possible breaches of secrets; how is it though that Trumpers don't want Trump looked into? And oddly, no mention of his clown Flynn? Or his assistant (ex marine) having his security clearance declined. That won't have been done lightly.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 04:08:29 PM

Sorry if all this anti-Trump hysteria isn't ringing true.  How much of it is Fake News - either flat out lies, or something blown completely out of proportion? 

LOL.. you crack me up! Sure it is...fake news. Nothing to see. Spicer says so. :)

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If The Democrat Fake News Media wants to start being taken seriously even a little by middle America, they need to tone the hate way back, otherwise we'll continue to simply ignore them.  Like I said, it's the Boy Who Cried Wolf, all over again.

Hate? Nope...just reporting what the WH comes out with, they even show the videos and screen shots of the tweets.  ;D

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
LOL.. you crack me up! Sure it is...fake news. Nothing to see. Spicer says so. :)

Hate? Nope...just reporting what the WH comes out with, they even show the videos and screen shots of the tweets.  ;D

When you get to the point where you understand that if ANY of this was being done by either Barry or Hilary, it would not only not be covered, the Fake News Media would be actively burying it.

When you understand that, we can talk.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: SredniVashtar on February 12, 2017, 10:19:27 AM
You mean that it isn't perfectly normal in Yorkshire to shake another man's hand with one mitt, and then stroke the back of it with the other? I can only imagine what went on with the Japanese PM this weekend. Even if Trump suggested they all play nude leapfrog I bet he would have gone along with it.

You seem to be obsessed with homosexual acts.  You are the first and in most cases the only one to use such references. What's more, your graphic descriptions tell me that you are really into that shit.  Tell me where I'm wrong.

Yorkshire pud

The uninformed morons who believe that the USA should have closer ties to Putin with the detriment of their allies read this. If you don't its because you don't want to learn about the recent history or the catastrophic future if that scenario happened.


http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-intelligence-community-kremlin-spy-alliance/

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For three-quarters of a century it’s ranked among the world’s most important secrets. The American-led global spy alliance, born in the early years of the Second World War, is beyond question the most effective partnership in espionage history. Now, it’s all starting to come unraveled.

This remarkable hush-hush story began in the summer of 1940, in the dark days after the fall of France to the Wehrmacht, when Britain stood alone against Hitler, who occupied most of Europe. With his ally Stalin, the Nazis and Soviets had divided much of the continent between them, and it seemed only a matter of time before Britain gave inâ€"as several ministers in Prime Minister Winston Churchill’s cabinet were counseling, so bleak did London’s odds appear.

Britain’s secret ace in the hole, known to only a privileged few, was her ability to crack German codes, above all the Nazi Enigma machine, which gave London deep insights into the enemy camp. The Poles were the first to break into Enigma, and shortly before their country fell to Hitler and Stalin in September 1939, Polish intelligence shared their secret knowledge with Britain. There, codebreakers made quick progress against Enigma, a top-secret program they termed ULTRA. But they needed help.

That’s where American code-breakers came in. In the bleak summer of 1940, in a desperate effort to stave off British collapse, which would leave all Europe under the Nazi-Bolshevik yoke, President Franklin D. Roosevelt began assisting London with money, suppliesâ€"and weapons.

The cornerstone of FDR’s plan was the Lend-Lease program, which gifted Britain billions of dollars’ worth of weaponry to resist the Nazis. The U.S. Navy even began escorting convoys of freighters bound for Britain to protect them from German U-Boats. Hitler was hardly wrong when he insisted, a year before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, that America was a neutral in name only.

Unknown to the public, FDR also dispatched experts across the Atlantic to assist the British in the SpyWar. British and American spies began sharing secrets in the late summer of 1940, and in January 1941 U.S. intelligence officers were sent in secret to assist British code-breakers with ULTRA. Here, American know-how paid dividends, and months before the United States was officially in the Second World War, its spies were serving on its clandestine front lines.

So was born history’s greatest spy alliance. Anglo-American signals intelligence cooperation in the ULTRA secret, which soon encompassed Canada, Australia, and New Zealand too, played a role on all fronts in the global conflict and made possible numerous Allied victories. That ULTRA shortened the Second World War by months and perhaps years is not in doubt.

This secret alliance was so successful that the Anglosphere SIGINT partnership continued after Allied victory, and would soon prove vital in the budding Cold War too. The Five Eyes family, as it’s called, eventually expanded into other kinds of intelligence, but code-breaking remained its heart. Anglosphere SIGINT played a key role in keeping the Cold War from going hot, and it’s continued to the present day, keeping global peace while tracking terrorists and other international malefactors such as nuclear proliferators and narco-thugs.

After 9/11, intelligence-sharing became more important than ever and it’s no exaggeration to term the American-led spy alliance the secret shield that keeps the West safe from jihadists. In a high percentage of cases, operations to take down terrorists before they kill innocents begin with a tip, usually from SIGINT, that’s shared among intelligence partners rapidly, leading to successful disruption “left of boom” as the spies say.

Unfortunately, newly-inaugurated President Donald Trump is threatening the whole Western intelligence system with his brusque comments about our spies and worrisome ties to Moscow. For the first time, an American president is causing our allies and partners to wonder if Washington can still be trusted.

As I’ve explained, Trump’s aggressive comments about American spiesâ€"mocking them and comparing them to Nazis on Twitter, for exampleâ€"have generated unprecedented enmity in our Intelligence Community. Going to war with the IC is a bad idea for any new administration, particularly given the new commander-in-chief’s rumored links to Vladimir Putin, which are keeping American spies up at night.

It’s not just Washington that’s worried. Throughout the Western spy alliance, intelligence agencies are pondering the previously unthinkable: Is the American president compromised? On several occasions over the decades, the IC had to reduce spy-links, usually only temporarily, to various partners when a new government contained too many cabinet ministers with Moscow linkages. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and it’s the American government that seems to have a Kremlin problem.

Just how alarming things are was revealed by a recent report in The Times of London that British intelligence has asked the IC for reassurances that the new administrationâ€"which has several officials with Kremlin ties that aren’t exactly hiddenâ€"won’t compromise British spies operating clandestinely inside Russia. When America’s oldest and most intimate intelligence partner is worried that the White House can’t be trusted with secrets, we’re in uncharted and dangerous waters.  :o

The cost of breakdowns in the Western spy alliance won’t be theoretical. If intelligence sharing wanes, the world gets more dangerous and jihadist attacks will increase, perhaps quite quickly. When spy-partners aren’t confident their shared secrets can be protected, they will become reticent to talk to us. As Mike Hayden, the former director of both NSA and CIA explained, “How many foreign intelligence agencies might say, ‘I’m not sure giving this information to the Americans will do any good anyway. So why should we share it in the first place?’ If they come to the conclusion that the decision-makers don’t pay attention to the intelligence and the Intelligence Community is not respected, then why take the risk?”

If President Trump doesn’t explain his shady Kremlin ties soon, the impending Senate Intelligence Committee investigation, which will have subpoena powers, will explain them for him. Our allies and spy-partners are watching with baited breath. If they don’t get answers soon, the 75-year-old American-led Western espionage alliance will start breaking down, with ominous real-world consequences. The public won’t hear much about the collapse of the West’s spy alliance, which works hard to keep itself out of the newspapers, but if terrorist attacks are suddenly on the rise, with innocents dying in greater numbers, you will know it’s happened.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.


But Spicer, Bannon and Trump would implore "Fake news. Nothing to see..."

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 12, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
When you get to the point where you understand that if ANY of this was being done by either Barry or Hilary, it would not only not be covered, the Fake News Media would be actively burying it.

When you understand that, we can talk.

Okay Pollyanna...  ;)

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
LOL.. you crack me up! Sure it is...fake news. Nothing to see. Spicer says so. :)

Hate? Nope...just reporting what the WH comes out with, they even show the videos and screen shots of the tweets.  ;D

I've got to hand it to you.  You are the very soul of consistency.  Do you ever question your conclusions?

GravitySucks

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:20:22 PM
The uninformed morons who believe that the USA should have closer ties to Putin with the detriment of their allies read this. If you don't its because you don't want to learn about the recent history or the catastrophic future if that scenario happened.


http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-intelligence-community-kremlin-spy-alliance/


But Spicer, Bannon and Trump would implore "Fake news. Nothing to see..."

Seems to me that the biggest public leaks in history all happened during Obama's watch. Carter was the one that disclosed the Keyhole satellites. Obama was the first president to acknowledge the existence of Area 51. Get back to me when Trump leaks classified.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 12, 2017, 04:23:18 PM
I've got to hand it to you.  You are the very soul of consistency.  Do you ever question your conclusions?

Do you? As an ex submariner, would you trust Trump or Bannon to be your Captain?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 12, 2017, 04:27:47 PM
Seems to me that the biggest public leaks in history all happened during Obama's watch. Carter was the one that disclosed the Keyhole satellites. Obama was the first president to acknowledge the existence of Area 51. Get back to me when Trump leaks classified.

He may leak very little because no-one will trust him with knowing much more than instructions on how to reboot his phone.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
He may leak very little because no-one will trust him with knowing much more than instructions on how to reboot his phone.

He won't be as careless as Hillary and her staff was with classified.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:30:26 PM
Do you? As an ex submariner, would you trust Trump or Bannon to be your Captain?

Apples and oranges.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 12, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
Apples and oranges.

Eh? Trump is the orange? And Bannon the apple?  :)

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 12, 2017, 04:20:22 PM
The uninformed morons who believe that the USA should have closer ties to Putin with the detriment of their allies read this. If you don't its because you don't want to learn about the recent history or the catastrophic future if that scenario happened.


http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-intelligence-community-kremlin-spy-alliance/


But Spicer, Bannon and Trump would implore "Fake news. Nothing to see..."

This is why liberals are so fucking stupid.

Liberals keep telling everyone how peaceful muslims are and constantly downplay muslim terrorism, yet to discredit President Trump they will link an opinion piece that basically says if Trump doesn't treat the Intelligence Community with more respect that muslim terrorism will increase exponentially.  You literally bolded the text talking about an explosion of muslim terrorism.

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