President Donald J. Trump

[Lt.Uhura]

Agreed, always was a fan of folks like Jack Anderson etc but the problem I see know with the various "sites" or "hackdavists" is that they always target us (remember when Anon went after the Cartels and then, stopped big time from one incident?) and never are going after China, Russia, NK,  etc, unless there is a minor political purpose, so it leads me to wonder. Also why some stuff, like Epstein secret photos and files, hasn't been hacked or the "Panama Files" LIBOR etc are suspiciously about "others" (mostly) and then, already, been lost down the memory hole and I've seen no major follow-up on those recently!!!

Organized crime and sophisticated white collar criminals are always looking over their shoulders. But I think the pervert/gun/drug dealer next door is harder to catch.  This guy got caught because he didn't adequately wrap his ammunition packages before dropping them off at the post office.  Nevertheless, I think delegates should be vetted out and watched closely.  It's too easy to buy people off today. 

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Yes, Google is the correct spelling. I hadn't read any of your posts until yesterday (sorry.)

Anyhow, I own you now. You just wrote four paragraphs attempting to prove (to yourself, i guess) that you don't care what I think and that you're somehow superior? Oh, and an expert... LOL!

Pulling up a quote from Google was a nice touch, too. Impressive, most impressive.

I don't care what you think and the quote from Yes, Minister, was meant to be entirely separate from my response to you.  The use of the word 'anyway' should have made that clear.  Reading it over, I can see how you might have thought they were connected, but it never even occurred to me. In hindsight,  I probably should have made two separate posts.  I also did not Google (google) the Yes, Minister quote. I have the book somewhere but I also have the series on my computer and I just watched that episode.  That's how I also knew the part about how to question a report was from the same episode.  I've been wanting to see this episode again for several days because I knew there was a statement of some sort attacking the idea that non-experts are somehow more capable than experts and I was just curious as to what the exact statement was.  Clearly Trump is the biggest know-nothing to be nominated by a major party in the United States since maybe the Know-Nothing party (though I believe they took the name as some sort of an ironic twist.)

I did look up about metadioxin because I wondered what it was, which is how I found out that apparently no such compound actually exists.  Unlike the characters in the episode I know what the terms 'inert' and 'compound' mean, and I like to think that nearly everybody knows what they mean.  This was actually the only case I can find where the authors of the series/books likely made a mistake, because in their biographical breakdown of Minister James Hacker they say that he had an MSc-Economics. I can't imagine if he received his masters in economics in science rather than in the arts that he wouldn't have taken a chemistry course and heard those terms and so, be familiar with them.    As I'm not familiar with the British University system though, I suppose it may be possible.

So, I don't care if you believe me or not, but since I know the two parts of that post weren't related I know there is no claim of either superiority or expertise on my part.  You, of course, are free to believe otherwise, though you'd be wrong.

[albrecht]

In addition to being prescient the show also was a primer in explaining all sorts of real tricks used by governments, lobbyists and businesses.  In this episode Sir Humphrey explains how to discredit a report even by a person who hasn't actually read the report.  (None of his ideas require actually reading the report they just involve making general statements like "the report leaves a lot of questions unanswered." -  It won't answer any of the questions that it wasn't asked to answer.  "Different experts come to different conclusions regarding the evidence presented" - that's almost a universal.)

Yes, Prime Minister was arguably the funnier program because Anthony Jay and his co-writer didn't have much choice as they had run out of nearly all primers.  There were basically just two of them in this series. The one in the episode about conscription wherein Sir Humphrey explained how to commission a poll to get a completely different survey result than another poll on the same topic and another one that I can't remember right now.

In this case I remember this because a person who works at the schizophrenia society where I volunteer was recently promoted to essentially being the society's lobbyist and so now meets with all sorts of government officials and even the ministers themselves (she says meeting with the minister is generally a waste of time, as the person who is knowledgeable is usually their deputy, which is right out of Yes, Minister) and I gave her a copy of the Yes, Minister book because I have two copies of it, but I only have the one copy right now of the Yes, Prime Minister book, so I went through it and gave her photocopies of the primers in that book, and could only find two.

This will, and I'm sure it will, devolve into lots of speculation and history. So, from the starting gate. There is nothing, intrinsically, bad about veteran help, bureaucracy, public education, civil service, public welfare, or whatever the term used depending on country. I know, shocking, for me, to say! The problem is that the initially good ideas on a basic level (Napoleon, Bismarck, etc) has become greater than the people it, supposedly, serves and now it serves itself other than the public and has caused, or intended (I won't assert motivations, sometimes by inertia it happens) governments to control and regulate every aspect of your life. Not good. And costly.
Find something in your life (although you aren't a US citizen but even then, maybe) that aren't covered:
https://www.federalregister.gov/

[VtaGeezer]

Art doesn't know what he's talking about. Trump has praised that little midget dictator.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-gotta-give/story?id=36198345

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12092353/Donald-Trump-praises-Kim-Jong-un-for-his-firm-hand-with-executed-uncle.html

Dealing with the reality of Kim was in mo way praise:
"Trump called Jong-Un a "maniac" during remarks about North Korea's nuclear program during a rally at Ottumwa, Iowa, but conceded, "You gotta give him credit. How many young guys -- he was like 26 or 25 when his father died -- take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him." 
That's praise only in politispeak, where you can just infer what suits your agenda and ignore the words spoken.  You'll make a fine Clintonite, FTF.

Washington and the establishment have been hankie dabbers over NK banditry for 50+ years, and the result is a nuclear missile armed punk who can incinerate Seoul with no launch warning, and targets in Japan almost as quickly.  Same stupid minds who never batted an eye when they built Seoul into a megalopolis withing arty range of the border with paranoid cultists.  And Trump is 100% correct that China does have substantial control over NK.

You post as if the choice is between Trump and Eisenhower, or Reagan.  It's not...its Trump or Hillary f'ing Clinton.  Pick yer poison.

[136 or 142]

Dealing with the reality of Kim was in mo way praise:
"Trump called Jong-Un a "maniac" during remarks about North Korea's nuclear program during a rally at Ottumwa, Iowa, but conceded, "You gotta give him credit. How many young guys -- he was like 26 or 25 when his father died -- take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him." 
That's praise only in politispeak, where you can just infer what suits your agenda and ignore the words spoken.  You'll make a fine Clintonite, FTF.

Washington and the establishment have been hankie dabbers over NK banditry for 50+ years, and the result is a nuclear missile armed punk who can incinerate Seoul with no launch warning, and targets in Japan almost as quickly.  Same stupid minds who never batted an eye when they built Seoul into a megalopolis withing arty range of the border with paranoid cultists.  And Trump is 100% correct that China does have substantial control over NK.

You post as if the choice is between Trump and Eisenhower, or Reagan.  It's not...its Trump or Hillary f'ing Clinton.  Pick yer poison.

Rapist Trump not only twists words and phrases out of their original meanings but also simply makes stuff up. 

(Rapist) Trump is 100% correct that China does have substantial control over NK.  Right because this is an insight that only Rapist Trump is aware of.  Well, him and probably at least 100 million Americans.

You are one twisted idiot yourself.

Hillary Clinton is far from perfect (as if anybody is) but she's not a complete fraud like Rapist Trump.  Hillary Clinton seems to be no better and no worse than most politicians who run for high office.  In terms of establishment politicians, I don't think she's anywhere near as bad as Dick Cheney.

[FightTheFuture]

Dealing with the reality of Kim was in mo way praise:
"Trump called Jong-Un a "maniac" during remarks about North Korea's nuclear program during a rally at Ottumwa, Iowa, but conceded, "You gotta give him credit. How many young guys -- he was like 26 or 25 when his father died -- take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him." 
That's praise only in politispeak, where you can just infer what suits your agenda and ignore the words spoken.  You'll make a fine Clintonite, FTF.

Washington and the establishment have been hankie dabbers over NK banditry for 50+ years, and the result is a nuclear missile armed punk who can incinerate Seoul with no launch warning, and targets in Japan almost as quickly.  Same stupid minds who never batted an eye when they built Seoul into a megalopolis withing arty range of the border with paranoid cultists.  And Trump is 100% correct that China does have substantial control over NK.

You post as if the choice is between Trump and Eisenhower, or Reagan.  It's not...its Trump or Hillary f'ing Clinton.  Pick yer poison.

Trump only knows what his handlers bother to whisper in his ear. A Trump presidency would have rippling catastrophic consequences for generations to come. The potential damage wrought by a Clinton, or Sanders, administration would be mitigated by a GOP majority and only serve to strengthen a renewed call for conservative principles.

[Lt.Uhura]

Trump only knows what his handlers bother to whisper in his ear. A Trump presidency would have rippling catastrophic consequences for generations to come. The potential damage wrought by a Clinton, or Sanders, administration would be mitigated by a GOP majority and only serve to strengthen a renewed call for conservative principles.

I think your dire prediction is unlikely for a couple of reasons.  First, Trump's chances of winning the GE are slim.  Secondly, considering so many in the GOP can't stand him, they'd likely have no problem voting with the Dems to impeach him at the first sign of a major fuckup.  In fact since they've now given up on the crazy 3rd party idea, they're probably strategizing how to manipulate the VP choice to someone who has their stamp of approval, and have them ready to take Trump's place.

[FightTheFuture]

TRUMP: "A lot of you don`t know the world of economics. Don`t worry. Leave it to me. Enjoy your lives."

Holy sh*t!!!

TRUMP: "Who cares if there`s a trade war!"

What the f*ck??!! This ignoramus couldn`t find his ass with both hands! Yeah, let`s vote for the orange dude. He "has a good brain."

[FightTheFuture]

I think your dire prediction is unlikely for a couple of reasons.  First, Trump's chances of winning the GE are slim.  Secondly, considering so many in the GOP can't stand him, they'd likely have no problem voting with the Dems to impeach him at the first sign of a major fuckup.  In fact since they've now given up on the crazy 3rd party idea, they're probably strategizing how to manipulate the VP choice to someone who has their stamp of approval, and have them ready to take Trump's place.

We can only hope. However, I would note the long line at the kool-aid dispenser.

[CornyCrow]

NAFTA is a trade agreement. American CEO'S are deciding to send business out. Where is your righteous indignation against the people actually sending the work out.

My point was these are jobs Americans don't want and wouldn't do. Illegal aliens were doing them. Now they can do the jobs in Mexico, support the Mexican economy and afford to occasionally cross the border to spend money here instead of to make money here

You are partially correct.  Americans will not do those jobs for slave wages.  Jobs being shipped out and guest workers are only schemes to get cheap labor, which tends to lower the wage scale for the entire population.  There used to be laws limiting cheif executive salaries to a specific multiple of that of the company's average salaried worker.  Norway is now taking steps to limit the growth of wages of the top percentages. 

Do you think companies are enticing foreign workers for love of those people?  No, the incentive is to start the race to the bottom in salaries.  When Indians started doing better and demanding better wages  companies started migrating to Africa.  We are all being brought down by this trend - the entire globe. 

[Richard Groyper]

I don't care what you think and the quote from Yes, Minister, was meant to be entirely separate from my response to you.  The use of the word 'anyway' should have made that clear.  Reading it over, I can see how you might have thought they were connected, but it never even occurred to me. In hindsight,  I probably should have made two separate posts.  I also did not Google (google) the Yes, Minister quote. I have the book somewhere but I also have the series on my computer and I just watched that episode.  That's how I also knew the part about how to question a report was from the same episode.  I've been wanting to see this episode again for several days because I knew there was a statement of some sort attacking the idea that non-experts are somehow more capable than experts and I was just curious as to what the exact statement was.  Clearly Trump is the biggest know-nothing to be nominated by a major party in the United States since maybe the Know-Nothing party (though I believe they took the name as some sort of an ironic twist.)

I did look up about metadioxin because I wondered what it was, which is how I found out that apparently no such compound actually exists.  Unlike the characters in the episode I know what the terms 'inert' and 'compound' mean, and I like to think that nearly everybody knows what they mean.  This was actually the only case I can find where the authors of the series/books likely made a mistake, because in their biographical breakdown of Minister James Hacker they say that he had an MSc-Economics. I can't imagine if he received his masters in economics in science rather than in the arts that he wouldn't have taken a chemistry course and heard those terms and so, be familiar with them.    As I'm not familiar with the British University system though, I suppose it may be possible.

So, I don't care if you believe me or not, but since I know the two parts of that post weren't related I know there is no claim of either superiority or expertise on my part.  You, of course, are free to believe otherwise, though you'd be wrong.

*yawn* Okay.

[VtaGeezer]

TRUMP: "A lot of you don`t know the world of economics. Don`t worry. Leave it to me. Enjoy your lives."

Holy sh*t!!!

TRUMP: "Who cares if there`s a trade war!"

What the f*ck??!! This ignoramus couldn`t find his ass with both hands! Yeah, let`s vote for the orange dude. He "has a good brain."

Do you know why Toyota, Nissan, VW and others opened US plants in the 80s?  Because the US could and did threaten up to a 100% tariff for unfair practices under the US trade regime that preceded GATT; which effectively ended US sovereignty over its own trade policies.  The US and most countries maintained rational trade policies to protect domestic production from unfair competition.  Tariffs were rationally based, two-way, and there were no trade wars. Then we started being force-fed free trade mumbo jumbo as corporations traded citizenship for globalism. 

Free traders brag about US exports.  Its trade slight of hand.  They're  mostly either ag exports that produce almost no US jobs or components that go to Canada and Mexico under NAFTA to come right back as assembled cars and appliances. The level of US manufactured goods actually sold to foreign consumers is a joke as percent of GDP.  But what about all those trade-related jobs?  Yeah, the constant stream of trucks leaving the port of LA carrying Asian goods to Walmart and Target stores across the country do keep drivers employed; at a pittance of what they earned 20 years ago. American infrastructure crumbling?  Not at US ports where US tax payers pick up the tab to make sure Walmart and Hyundai inventories moves quickly and efficiently.  Even the US Navy leases prime port space to foreign car makers for import facilities.  Think the Chinese or Japanese do that?

Security-wise, we're fucked if there's a major conflict.  We can't produce the vital equipment; steel industry is gone, skilled industrial workforce is gone, shipyards are gone.  Our military is dependent on foreign supplied vital products.  We sell little overseas; our exports of finished goods is pathetic.  China make 10X as much steel as the US now...in SOTA plants unlike our padlocked 1950s mills.  India's steel production is now even with ours.

Trade war?  For us, crappy jeans from Bangladesh may cost more, but half of Asia may lose their jobs if balance isn't restored.  But that might mean the Walton Family has to reduce their donations to the Metropolitan Opera and PACs.  We are the market for all that shit. Guess who has the leverage.  American workers have been undercut by their own govt, who peeled off US jobs and growth for influence and stability via trade deals that benefit the globals.

We are trade pussies and fools, propagandized for 20 years with the "miracle of free trade" by the likes of Limbaugh and Savage. I sometimes wonder if they're paid by China or just that stupid about real world economics.

[MV/Liberace!]

We are trade pussies and fools, propagandized for 20 years with the "miracle of free trade" by the likes of Limbaugh and Savage.

limbaugh, yes... but i'm not so sure i'd tie savage into that.  he's not quite the predictable cookie cutter that the rest of those guys are.

[VtaGeezer]

limbaugh, yes... but i'm not so sure i'd tie savage into that.  he's not quite the predictable cookie cutter that the rest of those guys are.

I admit I've rarely listened to Savage, but he's never strayed far from the right's baseline mantra thats included free trade since RR.

[MV/Liberace!]

I admit I've rarely listened to Savage, but he's never strayed far from the right's baseline mantra thats included free trade since RR.

i've been listening to savage on and off again since 2002, and i've never come away from his show thinking i just heard a "free trade at all costs" shill.  savage was among the first to advocate in favor of a trump presidency, way back in 2011.  at the root of savage's support for trump were trump's ideas about trade and illegal immigration.  savage is not at all cut from the same cloth as levin, hannity, and limbaugh.  you should give him another try.

[VtaGeezer]

i've been listening to savage on and off again since 2002, and i've never come away from his show thinking i just heard a "free trade at all costs" shill.  savage was among the first to advocate in favor of a trump presidency, way back in 2011.  at the root of savage's support for trump were trump's ideas about trade and illegal immigration.  savage is not at all cut from the same cloth as levin, hannity, and limbaugh.  you should give him another try.

Too late. I burned all my radios when Art gave the show to Noory. 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Only criticism she can muster of Trump is that he isn't Presidential apparently.
Writes retarded tweets like this.



Yeah, okay Hillary...

[VtaGeezer]

Only criticism she can muster of Trump is that he isn't Presidential apparently.
Writes retarded tweets like this.

Yeah, okay Hillary...

And her diagram is incorrectly drawn.

[136 or 142]

American workers have been undercut by their own govt.

American workers have been undercut by American consumers.

[MV/Liberace!]

Too late. I burned all my radios when Art gave the show to Noory.

wabc has a podcast feed you can subscribe to for free.  it'll get you the first two hours of his show each day.

[Richard Groyper]

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/733731153719525377

[GuerrillaUnReal]

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/733731153719525377

[Richard Groyper]

Beautiful.

[Value Of Pi]

Dealing with the reality of Kim was in mo way praise:
"Trump called Jong-Un a "maniac" during remarks about North Korea's nuclear program during a rally at Ottumwa, Iowa, but conceded, "You gotta give him credit. How many young guys -- he was like 26 or 25 when his father died -- take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him." 
That's praise only in politispeak, where you can just infer what suits your agenda and ignore the words spoken.  You'll make a fine Clintonite, FTF.

Washington and the establishment have been hankie dabbers over NK banditry for 50+ years, and the result is a nuclear missile armed punk who can incinerate Seoul with no launch warning, and targets in Japan almost as quickly.  Same stupid minds who never batted an eye when they built Seoul into a megalopolis withing arty range of the border with paranoid cultists.  And Trump is 100% correct that China does have substantial control over NK.

You post as if the choice is between Trump and Eisenhower, or Reagan.  It's not...its Trump or Hillary f'ing Clinton.  Pick yer poison.

What Trump was conceding in what you quoted was not praise but respect. Trump respects leaders who "succeed" at difficult tasks, like ruling a country, even if they are brutal nutcases like Kim or totalitarian types like Putin. He is impressed by the exercise of raw power and he doesn't mind admitting it.

Well, he should mind because however you choose to describe it -- whether as respect or simply being impressed -- it falls far short of the unqualified condemnation that someone like Kim deserves for his abuse of power. If one side of your mouth is saying "maniac" while the other side is noting with what sounds like admiration that he's really good at being a maniac and a killer, the whole comment makes you shake your head.

[VtaGeezer]

What Trump was conceding in what you quoted was not praise but respect. Trump respects leaders who "succeed" at difficult tasks, like ruling a country, even if they are brutal nutcases like Kim or totalitarian types like Putin. He is impressed by the exercise of raw power and he doesn't mind admitting it.

Well, he should mind because however you choose to describe it -- whether as respect or simply being impressed -- it falls far short of the unqualified condemnation that someone like Kim deserves for his abuse of power. If one side of your mouth is saying "maniac" while the other side is noting with what sounds like admiration that he's really good at being a maniac and a killer, the whole comment makes you shake your head.

Respect? Impressed? Admiration? Are you nuts?  In what dimension is calling someone a murderous lunatic and recounting those he's killed off to attain power considered any of these?  You're not allowed your own secret vocabulary to invert the meaning of everything said by those with whose ideology you disagree. Well. maybe in Canada.

[136 or 142]

Respect? Impressed? Admiration? Are you nuts?  In what dimension is calling someone a murderous lunatic and recounting those he's killed off to attain power considered any of these?  You're not allowed your own secret vocabulary to invert the meaning of everything said by those with whose ideology you disagree. Well. maybe in Canada.

And nor are you allowed to add words.  Nowhere in your quotes from Rapist Trump did he refer to anybody as 'murderous' or a 'lunatic' or as a 'murderous lunatic.' He did refer to Kim as a 'maniac' but again the full quote of that segment isn't provided.

If there are additional quotes where Rapist Trump says either murderous or lunatic, please provide the whole quote.

[chefist]

And nor are you allowed to add words.  Nowhere in your quotes from Rapist Trump did he refer to anybody as 'murderous' or a 'lunatic' or as a 'murderous lunatic.'

If there are additional quotes where Rapist Trump says that, please provide the whole quote.

Bought Off 136/142 still collecting those Crooked Hillary checks....

[136 or 142]

Bought Off 136/142 still collecting those Crooked Hillary checks....

Troll.

[VtaGeezer]

And nor are you allowed to add words.  Nowhere in your quotes from Rapist Trump did he refer to anybody as 'murderous' or a 'lunatic' or as a 'murderous lunatic.'

If there are additional quotes where Rapist Trump says that, please provide the whole quote.

Maniac, not lunatic.  OK?  Look, toad, we are discussing, not grading essays.  GTFU; you're sophomoric trivia is beyond tedious. 

[136 or 142]

Look, toad, we are discussing, not grading essays.  GTFU, you're sophomoric trivia is beyond tedious.

Toad?  It seems you're a bit sensitive today.  Your usual incredibly stupid self, but unusually sensitive.

As Rapist Forrest Trump might say "Loser is as loser does."