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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on January 05, 2017, 04:11:40 PM
Neither do I. But unlike me, your personal religious beliefs cloud your understanding of the basic health needs of others.

I once cared for a woman who had a Pap smear at PP showing early cervical cancer. As a single mother with a part time job, she had no healthcare insurance, and couldn't get any with her new, pre-existing diagnosis. Meanwhile the cancer quickly grew to a late stage and she came to the ER near death from sepsis due to the tumor blocking her urethra. What was diagnosed early by PP and could have been easily treated via an out-patient office procedure, instead resulted in months of expensive hospitalization and chemo for advanced cancer, paid for by you and me and other taxpayers. There are dozens of stories just like hers. But go ahead and insert your personal religious beliefs into the issues here.

I'm not saying that I want Planned Parenthood to go defunct but I don't think the federal government should be supplying funds to them.  It is true that I don't like abortion but my main thing is that I don't believe healthcare should be managed by the federal government.  Let cities and states provide such funds and perhaps they should specify just what their funds are for within Planned Parenthood.  I realize Planned Parenthood does some good work and there is definitely a place for them in our society.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
Ahh! The will of the people! What if the will of the people decided that poor women who had children they didn't choose to have because they couldn't afford contraception were thrown down a pit? That way 'respectable' people wouldn't need to have their lives blighted by paying for them, when there more nuclear weapons to buy.

Its said that how civilised a country is, is judged by how it looks after the sick and poor. The USA is way down the list. It has an infant mortality rate worse than Cuba.

You have a poor opinion of people then.  Most people are largely empathetic and are willing to extend a helping hand when needed.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: 21st Century Man on January 05, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
I don't mind Planned Parenthood providing contraceptives and such but I think they should stand on their own two feet and make their money as other nonprofits do.  By charitable donations, not by the federal government which falls in line with my belief that the federal government should be lean. Let the state and city governments provide some funding if necessary for the contraceptives.  I have no problem with that as long as it is the will of the people.

Aw, I'm not picking on you 21st, you know how much I value your opinion. But the entire abortion issue has too often come up and crossed into govenmental healthcare decisions where religion has no place.

The only problem with sending certain provisions back to the states is it inevitably leads to inequality. For example, there was a recent story about people with disabled children moving their families from Florida to Georgia because Fla had cut off their disability care services. So now Georgia is faced with picking up the tab. In theory it looks reasonable to send things back to individual states, but as in the Electoral college, all states are not equal in resources.

Jackstar

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on January 05, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
So now Georgia is faced with picking up the tab changing their stupid fucking laws.


Ask yourself why that doesn't happen. Go on, do it.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: 21st Century Man on January 05, 2017, 04:25:37 PM
You have a poor opinion of people then.  Most people are largely empathetic and are willing to extend a helping hand when needed.


Yeah but you have to remember you're talking to a type of flaming liberal here who feels the need for government support in most aspects of their life to include the wiping of one's ass.  They have no patience with those who reject the idea of a nanny state together with the confiscatory taxes and restriction of personal liberties that such a regime brings with it. 




Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 03:19:38 PM
Take Mc Cain out of it, are the intelligence chiefs and Rep and Dem senators all lying? And is Trump correct?

Show us the proof.

Why is that so hard?

I don't care about rampant speculation, which it all has been.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on January 05, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
Show us the proof.

Why is that so hard?

I don't care about rampant speculation, which it all has been.

What question are you actually asking to be verified? That the CIA are lying or Trump is telling the truth? Or whether Trump back tracked on what he said?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on January 05, 2017, 05:07:29 PM

Yeah but you have to remember you're talking to a type of flaming liberal here who feels the need for government support in most aspects of their life to include the wiping of one's ass.  They have no patience with those who reject the idea of a nanny state together with the confiscatory taxes and restriction of personal liberties that such a regime brings with it.

Awwww, what would you do if you knew what you were talking about? You'd be amazing!!!

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: ItsOver on January 05, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
Doesn't the VA have some place for him to retire to?  He's way past due.

I'd like to see someone smash him in the mouth with a crowbar. That's how I really feel about him.  ;)

Jackstar

QuoteBut McCain and Graham, two longtime national-security hawks, were adamant that more needs to be done to punish and deter Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-us-cyber-officials-russia-poses-a-major-threat-to-the-countrys-infrastructure-and-networks/2017/01/05/36a60b42-d34c-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.6498e5e3eb5a


I would be inclined to listen further to the idea that Russia is a threat to U.S. security interests, but given that the two most strident voices in government calling for that are these two fucking cunts, forget it.

Their corruption is legendary. If this is the A game, the game is over.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 05:34:48 PM
Awwww, what would you do if you knew what you were talking about? You'd be amazing!!!


I would like to elaborate but I gotta get in the buckboard an get on up to the north 40 to horsewhip a  couple of field hands that have been acting up. 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 03:26:49 PM
No doubt, but Trump has his finger on the pulse eh? Assange is the go to guy when it comes to matters of national security?

Wikileaks - Never been wrong

US Intelligence - Gulf of Tonkin; Watergate; Operation Mockingbird; Weapons for hostages; Iran-Contra; Gulf War (They were throwing the babies out of the incubators and on to the floor); 9/11; WMDs; etc.

You be the judge.  ;)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 05, 2017, 05:38:03 PM
I'd like to see someone smash him in the mouth with a crowbar. That's how I really feel about him.  ;)

Its hilarious the fixation on McCain who is the chairman, and not a word about what the committe (both sides) or the intelligence chiefs have said. Might it be because it will be uncomfortable reading after Trump is told the facts of life that he hasnt plucked out of the air? Could be!  ;D

Hey, I'm sure he's working on his 12D chess moves, right now.


Cue: queen, queen, queen...  ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
Its hilarious the fixation on McCain who is the chairman, and not a word about what the committe (both sides) or the intelligence chiefs have said. Might it be because it will be uncomfortable reading after Trump is told the facts of life that he hasnt plucked out of the air? Could be!  ;D

Hey, I'm sure he's working on his 12D chess moves, right now.


Cue: queen, queen, queen...  ;D

Yes, pud. We all know you're a cuck for the queen.  ::)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 05, 2017, 05:49:18 PM
Yes, pud. We all know you're a cuck for the queen.  ::)

I'd love to say you're embarrassingly predictable, but that would be cruel. Its okay, I understand your problem; on one hand your boy (who you think is the second coming) has pretty much alienated himself from the very people he'll need; Assange is still in London (who he put above the CIA, but now denies it), so he's no good to him.

Now, do you stay in the boat with Trump who we know lies about what he said less than 48 hours before, or do you side with the CIA who have pointed out that Trump has tried to shit all over them?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
I'd love to say you're embarrassingly predictable, but that would be cruel. Its okay, I understand your problem; on one hand your boy (who you think is the second coming) has pretty much alienated himself from the very people he'll need; Assange is still in London (who he put above the CIA, but now denies it), so he's no good to him.

Now, do you stay in the boat with Trump who we know lies about what he said less than 48 hours before, or do you side with the CIA who have pointed out that Trump has tried to shit all over them?

You're just jealous because your second coming is just the caliphate cumming all over you.  :D

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 05, 2017, 06:00:21 PM
You're just jealous because your second coming is just the caliphate cumming all over you.  :D

Now, you're just being embarrassing.

mikuthing01

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 05, 2017, 06:00:21 PM
You're just jealous because your second coming is just the caliphate cumming all over you.  :D

KEK


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 06:02:22 PM
Now, you're just being embarrassing.

Couldn't be any more so than you. You shitpost about our politics all day long because you obviously don't have any real input into your own country's politics and, somehow, think you're effecting ours. You're hilariously pathetic!  ;D

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 05, 2017, 06:04:57 PM
Couldn't be any more so than you. You shitpost about our politics all day long because you obviously don't have any real input into your own country's politics and, somehow, think you're effecting ours. You're hilariously pathetic!  ;D

You flatter me son! I know I can't affect your politics. But it sure is fun watching you squirm around wrestling with your loyalties.  ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
You flatter me son! I know I can't affect your politics. But it sure is fun watching you squirm around wrestling with your loyalties.  ;D

I'm not squirming, sweetie. You're projecting again. I guess Jihadi John is trying to have his way with you again. Better just submit. Those guys can be rough!  ;)


K_Dubb



Raising the stakes even higher.  Tomorrow should be fun.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: K_Dubb on January 05, 2017, 06:28:38 PM


Raising the stakes even higher.  Tomorrow should be fun.

He's got a busted flush.  ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: K_Dubb on January 05, 2017, 06:28:38 PM


Raising the stakes even higher.  Tomorrow should be fun.

He simply refuses to just accept their bullshit like most other presidents have and it just makes them SO angry! I love it!!  ;D

Jackstar

The only reason this "Russia hax" narrative is being pushed is so that they can then later say, "Whew! That proves all that #spiritcooking was made up out of whole Russkie cloth!!!"


Frankly, I can't believe anyone worth saving is falling for this bullshit. Obvious psyop is obvious.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
Trump hasn't 'created' any jobs. He's simply thrown out a bone to an air conditioning company using your money. Which is fine; but wait until the CEO's of other, bigger companies start lining up for their cut. Again, that's fine, until the guys and gals who have small firms and need a boost won't get one because all the money has gone back in the swamp.

Oh for heavens' sake, I was referring to his businesses

Quote from: Gyoza Girl on January 05, 2017, 12:05:18 PM
... Bill Clinton was a very popular president, and it's not surprising that people and businesses wanted to hear him speak, bought his books, etc.

Regarding Hillary, as Secretary of State she made high-level contacts around the world. I don't think it's at all suspicious that international leaders and organizations would contribute money, considering the Clinton Foundation was addressing world-wide issues.

You cannot be this naïve, it's simply not possible.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on January 05, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
There's nothing wrong with the occasional rebuilding of an organization to make it more efficient and up to date.  The problem is Trump and the Rs don't have any plans for the new structures, only the dismantle--the ACA being just one example...

What exactly do you think Pelosi, Obama, and the Democrats did to our health care system when they implemented the so-called ''Affordable Care Act''? 

You remember Nancy Pelosi, she's the one who said we'd ''have to pass it to find out what's in it''.  And find out we did - none of what they ''expected'' turned out to be true (you can keep your doctor, your insurance, everyone's insurance would go down by $2500 a year, illegals wouldn't be covered, we'd have full coverage in the US, etc, etc, etc).


Quote from: Gyoza Girl on January 05, 2017, 12:52:15 PM
The problem is that when Trump blurted something to "the masses," it was just to win their votes by saying what they wanted to hear. For example, when he said he was going to "drain the swamp," did the masses think he'd refill it with billionaires and Wall Streeters to run his administration?

We've never had businessmen in charge of our government before, so this is just my opinion: Wealthy businessmen do not come up with policies that will benefit the working classes at the expense of their fellow rich people.

Do you really think a 70-year-old man who has never shown the slightest bit of concern for the working class suddenly wants to be their savior? Where is the portfolio of workforce housing he has built? If you look at the Trump Organization's press releases, it's nothing but luxury this and "most exclusive" that.

I've interviewed a lot of commercial real estate developers, and they're not just builders -- they're salesmen, too. They know what will resonate with an audience of planning commissioners, city councils and so on. They say things like: "My project will create a sense of place," "foster a 24/7 live-work-play lifestyle" or "activate the sidewalks." To that you can add: "I will make America great again!"

And unlike, say, politicians - ''wealthy businessmen'' are all exactly the same?

Has it occurred to anyone that a person can spend a lifetime building a business, then decide to do something else, even something beneficial to the community or the country later in life?  Are there no examples of, say, anything from volunteers to philanthropists to come out of the business world?  Ever?  No?

But Hilary Clinton, well, there's someone we can trust.  Just look at that fine track record.  Plus, she's a woman.  Win-win.

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