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The RNC

Started by starrmtn001, July 18, 2016, 11:12:40 AM

aldousburbank

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 23, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
The fact remains Trump is still hated by many in his own party.

An endorsement for Trump in my book!

starrmtn001

Quote from: aldousburbank on July 23, 2016, 03:00:43 PM
An endorsement for Trump in my book!
Sounds like a good book.  May I borrow it?  Please? :-*

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: aldousburbank on July 23, 2016, 03:00:43 PM
An endorsement for Trump in my book!

Maybe so, but that puts him in an a weak 3rd party category. 

aldousburbank

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 23, 2016, 03:06:29 PM
Maybe so, but that puts him in an a weak 3rd party category.

It's about time a third party wins!

http://youtu.be/Kz4HN4pL7kI


pyewacket

I enjoyed the RNC convention and I like Trump and his family. This convention was a long overdue departure from the last two where McCain and Romney offered the same old worn out party platform. These two failed candidates and the Bush family were not missed as far as I'm concerned. I was happy to see the LGBTQ community recognized and warmly welcomed into the Republican Party.

I can picture Romney, McCain, Jeb!, George one and George two complaining in Thurston Howell's voice about someone leaving the mansion's south entrance unlocked and letting the riff raff in. They didn't show up because this convention was not for them, it was for the 'working class' and others they won't associate with.

Trump dared to talk about the concerns of average citizens and refused to be intimidated by the MSM or the Dems. Call it what you will but it does resonate with people who have to live with the consequences of political correctness and ill conceived policies. Those who live in protective bubbles of tax payer provided, armed security and the wealth to insulate them from these unpleasant realities cannot or will not acknowledge it. Most people I know don't appreciate being considered 'expendable' in life or in the job market.

I believe we're at a crossroad as a society and a nation. Do we choose to vote solely for what the candidate will give us with no concern for how it affects our nation as a whole? Do we champion those who can 'get away' with the most questionable activities and masterfully flout our laws? Do we want to continue on our present course? Do we want continued control by huge corporations and oligarchs and continue to support the damage they do worldwide? Do we want to give more power to those whose only interest is control over us and enriching themselves as 'public servants'?

Those are my concerns and I'd like to see the future change for the better for all Americans and then maybe we can affect positive changes in other parts of the world.

I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not and will not respond to snide comments. It's just my opinion.... while I'm still allowed to express one.




Quote from: pyewacket on July 23, 2016, 07:27:04 PM
I enjoyed the RNC convention and I like Trump and his family. This convention was a long overdue departure from the last two where McCain and Romney offered the same old worn out party platform. These two failed candidates and the Bush family were not missed as far as I'm concerned. I was happy to see the LGBTQ community recognized and warmly welcomed into the Republican Party.

I can picture Romney, McCain, Jeb!, George one and George two complaining in Thurston Howell's voice about someone leaving the mansion's south entrance unlocked and letting the riff raff in. They didn't show up because this convention was not for them, it was for the 'working class' and others they won't associate with.

Trump dared to talk about the concerns of average citizens and refused to be intimidated by the MSM or the Dems. Call it what you will but it does resonate with people who have to live with the consequences of political correctness and ill conceived policies. Those who live in protective bubbles of tax payer provided, armed security and the wealth to insulate them from these unpleasant realities cannot or will not acknowledge it. Most people I know don't appreciate being considered 'expendable' in life or in the job market.

I believe we're at a crossroad as a society and a nation. Do we choose to vote solely for what the candidate will give us with no concern for how it affects our nation as a whole? Do we champion those who can 'get away' with the most questionable activities and masterfully flout our laws? Do we want to continue on our present course? Do we want continued control by huge corporations and oligarchs and continue to support the damage they do worldwide? Do we want to give more power to those whose only interest is control over us and enriching themselves as 'public servants'?

Those are my concerns and I'd like to see the future change for the better for all Americans and then maybe we can affect positive changes in other parts of the world.

I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not and will not respond to snide comments. It's just my opinion.... while I'm still allowed to express one.

Well-said.

Quote from: pyewacket on July 23, 2016, 07:27:04 PM

Trump dared to talk about the concerns of average citizens...

You raised many good points, particularly about Trump reaching out to the LGBTQ community.  With respect to your comment above, though.  Aside from talking about peoples concerns, what did he offer in his speech as SOLUTIONS to the problems he listed?

pyewacket

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 23, 2016, 08:17:37 PM
You raised many good points, particularly about Trump reaching out to the LGBTQ community.  With respect to your comment above, though.  Aside from talking about peoples concerns, what did he offer in his speech as SOLUTIONS to the problems he listed?

Haha- He spoke for an hour and 16 mins. and that was just a summary of things that have gone wrong. You want details- how long did you want the speech to be? :)

All joking aside- we're talking about turning around a huge ship with 50 percent of its passengers who don't understand why it needs to be turned around or are benefiting from it going in the wrong direction. 

Lt.Uhura


The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end.  Beginning on January 20th of 2017, safety will be restored.
-Donald Trump

WTH?  Even if we all agreed that we're going to Hell in a handbasket, people would have to be delusional to believe this ludicrous bullshit from Trump.  Of course he never attempts to explain how he plans to magically "end" crime and violence, yet his followers cheer him on without question! His behavior more closely resembles a cult leader than a serious contender for POTUS.
 

pyewacket

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 24, 2016, 02:51:09 AM

The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end.  Beginning on January 20th of 2017, safety will be restored.
-Donald Trump

WTH?  Even if we all agreed that we're going to Hell in a handbasket, people would have to be delusional to believe this ludicrous bullshit from Trump.  Of course he never attempts to explain how he plans to magically "end" crime and violence, yet his followers cheer him on without question! His behavior more closely resembles a cult leader than a serious contender for POTUS.


I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember the NYC of the 70s through the mid 90s. If you're not old enough to remember, it's heading back in that direction. A 'crazy person' named Giuliani took office and proposed such 'magic' like quality-of-life policing. Even before Giuliani took office, intellectuals were studying the effects of disorderly behaviour and serious crime. I believe there was a book, Broken Windows that presented this theory.

In the late 70s there were similar programs that attempted to restore public order and they were only successful when enough agencies and groups worked together instead of the scattered attempts to fund such programs.

Trump's earlier work in regenerating deteriorated neighborhoods were a benefit to the people living there and to the city at large. It's too bad that his early successes are eclipsed by the TV persona and self promotion he's been involved with in his later years.

If Trump or anyone else has the stones to talk about the crime problem and is willing to implement much needed policies to act on it- they have my vote. The last few administrations gave us no solutions and some have made it worse.   

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 24, 2016, 02:51:09 AM

The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end.  Beginning on January 20th of 2017, safety will be restored.
-Donald Trump

WTH?  Even if we all agreed that we're going to Hell in a handbasket, people would have to be delusional to believe this ludicrous bullshit from Trump.  Of course he never attempts to explain how he plans to magically "end" crime and violence, yet his followers cheer him on without question! His behavior more closely resembles a cult leader than a serious contender for POTUS.


You'll have to elect the Trumpster to see what the plan is.   It has worked for others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

Juan

We'll never get anywhere until the idea of being educated and accepting responsibility is no longer considered "acting white."

Quote from: Juan on July 24, 2016, 08:32:26 AM
We'll never get anywhere until the idea of being educated and accepting responsibility is no longer considered "acting white."

Or you know... when the President of the United States stops meeting with domestic terrorists who try to keep their people ignorant and inflamed.


VtaGeezer

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 24, 2016, 02:51:09 AM

The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end.  Beginning on January 20th of 2017, safety will be restored.
-Donald Trump

WTH?  Even if we all agreed that we're going to Hell in a handbasket, people would have to be delusional to believe this ludicrous bullshit from Trump.  Of course he never attempts to explain how he plans to magically "end" crime and violence, yet his followers cheer him on without question! His behavior more closely resembles a cult leader than a serious contender for POTUS.

While your point has some validity, nominees have long presented detailed policies and plans that go directly into the shit can as soon as they're sworn in.  So, yes DJT could offer more specifics, but history shows that candidate's plans are vaporware anyway.  Plus, a more cynical mind might assume that exposing detailed policy plans is simply sending the enemy your battle plan in advance.  That's how Obamacare that wound up being the greatest gift ever to insurers; they had over a year to set up the ambush.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Juan on July 24, 2016, 08:32:26 AM
We'll never get anywhere until the idea of being educated and accepting responsibility is no longer considered "acting white."
Nominated for the upper right corner!

bateman

Quote from: VoteQuimby on July 24, 2016, 08:39:19 AM
Or you know... when the President of the United States stops meeting with domestic terrorists who try to keep their people ignorant and inflamed.



Interesting to note the lack of departure times on many of those visits.

starrmtn001

Quote from: Juan on July 24, 2016, 08:32:26 AM
We'll never get anywhere until the idea of being educated and accepting responsibility is no longer considered "acting white."
This is one of the most powerful quotes I've read in quite a while.  I second the nomination for top right. ;)

Well written Juan!

starrmtn001

Quote from: pyewacket on July 23, 2016, 08:54:34 PM
Haha- He spoke for an hour and 16 mins. and that was just a summary of things that have gone wrong. You want details- how long did you want the speech to be? :)

All joking aside- we're talking about turning around a huge ship with 50 percent of its passengers who don't understand why it needs to be turned around or are benefiting from it going in the wrong direction.
Exactly!

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: pyewacket on July 24, 2016, 07:39:35 AM
I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember the NYC of the 70s through the mid 90s. If you're not old enough to remember, it's heading back in that direction. A 'crazy person' named Giuliani took office and proposed such 'magic' like quality-of-life policing. Even before Giuliani took office, intellectuals were studying the effects of disorderly behaviour and serious crime. I believe there was a book, Broken Windows that presented this theory...


Speaking of NYC...

Dismayed by Donald Trump, Michael Bloomberg Will Endorse Hillary Clinton

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-hillary-clinton-dnc.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/QPMDQNDGMV

Three term NYC mayor and friend of Rudy Giuliani, Bloomberg said of Donald Trump:

...he has run the most divisive and demagogic presidential campaign I can remember, preying on people’s prejudices and fears. Abraham Lincoln, the father of the Republican Party, appealed to our “better angels.” Trump appeals to our worst impulses.

We cannot “make America great again” by turning our backs on the values that made us the world’s greatest nation in the first place. I love our country too much to play a role in electing a candidate who would weaken our unity and darken our future...


http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-03-07/the-2016-election-risk-that-michael-bloomberg-won-t-take

Quote from: bateman on July 24, 2016, 11:06:07 AM
Interesting to note the lack of departure times on many of those visits.

Are you calling DeRay a "white house nigga?" Asking for a friend...

pyewacket

Bloomberg wanted to run but knew there was no chance for a third party candidate. He went from being a Democrat to a Republican to an Independent and it looks like he's come full circle back to the Democrats. Sounds like an opportunist to me. 

Not everyone has fond memories of his tenure as mayor.

http://observer.com/2016/02/the-case-they-will-make-against-michael-bloomberg/

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: pyewacket on July 24, 2016, 02:08:48 PM
Bloomberg wanted to run but knew there was no chance for a third party candidate. He went from being a Democrat to a Republican to an Independent and it looks like he's come full circle back to the Democrats. Sounds like an opportunist to me. 

Not everyone has fond memories of his tenure as mayor.

http://observer.com/2016/02/the-case-they-will-make-against-michael-bloomberg/

I don't care to defend Bloomberg's NYC political history, but I don't think a piece critical of Bloomberg by a publication directly connected to Trump's immediate family can be considered unbiased, objective journalism.

Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.

pyewacket

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 24, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
I don't care to defend Bloomberg's NYC political history, but I don't think a piece critical of Bloomberg by a publication directly connected to Trump's immediate family can be considered unbiased, objective journalism.

Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.


Yes- I was aware of the disclaimer following the article. No one tried to hide the fact. There's just as much, maybe more bias in the MSM as revealed by those leaked DNC emails. I don't care who Bloomberg endorses.

A Bloomberg endorsement is enough to vote for the other guy.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: Astrid Galactic on July 24, 2016, 03:31:18 PM
A Bloomberg endorsement is enough to vote for the other guy.

A few random anti-endorsements does not equal widespread support.  Trump may make a lot of noise, but he's still a candidate on the fringe.



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