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Started by Yorkshire pud, June 12, 2016, 01:49:29 AM




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Orlando, Florida (CNN)Approximately 20 people are dead inside Pulse nightclub, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Sunday morning, just hours after a shooter opened fire in the club. At least 42 people have been transported for medical treatment, he said.
Police have shot and killed the gunman, Mina told reporters.
"It's appears he was organized and well-prepared," the chief said, adding that he had an assault-type weapon and a handgun. Orlando authorities said they consider the violence an act of domestic terror. The FBI is involved.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html



littlechris

Quote from: GravitySucks on June 12, 2016, 06:09:22 AM
Islamic extremist

How dare you!!

Here come the social justice warriors!!!


To the people running the governments of the world that we fund in order to provide security:

We are tired of these people.  Do something about it or step aside.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 12, 2016, 06:56:53 AM
To the people running the governments of the world that we fund in order to provide security:

We are tired of these people.  Do something about it or step aside.

Hey, I have an idea.  Since there is barely any information about it, and what we have might not be reliable, howza 'bout we wait for some clarity before rushing off and bombing some country in the Middle East?

No?  Bomb em back to the Stone Age?  Yeah, I thought so.

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on June 12, 2016, 07:00:35 AM
Hey, I have an idea.  Since there is barely any information about it, and what we have might not be reliable, howza 'bout we wait for some clarity before rushing off and bombing some country in the Middle East?

No?  Bomb em back to the Stone Age?  Yeah, I thought so.

This has been going on since before Arafat.  How much more information do you need?


This is not difficult to figure out.  After a Summit Meeting, announce we're done:

Step 1:  No more refugees from these places.  Intercept the boats, turn them around and escort them back to the origination ports, unload them, and sink them.  Anyone already here and not getting with the program or otherwise causing trouble goes home.  Resume surveillng the mosques

Step 2:  Level Raqqa

Step 3:  Wipe out the rest of ISIS, wherever they are.

Step 4:  Start finding and killing the leaders of this.  That means the leaders of Hamas, whoever is the Grand Ayatollah in Iran and his gang, the leaders and as many of the members as can be found of al-Qaeda / Taliban / Boko Harum / Abu Sayyaf / al-Shabab, and the rest - don't tell me we don't know where they are, if that's really true, find them.  Shut done their ability to communicate, financial activity, recruiting, support and supply sources and routes, places of refuge... 


Too bad we don't have a leader in the White House, in either party, or in Europe right now.  Those in office need to step aside or be removed.  If they don't wake up they will be pushed aside.  It will take awhile, but look how much support a clown like Donald Trump is getting.  Look at the ground the 'far right' parties are gaining in Europe.  Look at the popularity of a thug like Putin.


Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 12, 2016, 07:02:02 AM
This has been going on since before Arafat.  How much more information do you need?

So the shooter was involved with Arafat?  Have you informed the police about this amazing piece of news?

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 12, 2016, 07:11:24 AM
This is not difficult to figure out.  After a Summit Meeting, announce we're done:

Step 1:  No more refugees from these places.  Intercept the boats, turn them around and escort them back to the origination ports, unload them, and sink them.  Anyone already here and not getting with the program or otherwise causing trouble goes home

Step 2:  Level Raqqa

Step 3:  Wipe out the rest of ISIS, wherever they are.

Step 4:  Start finding and killing the leaders of this.  That means the leaders of Hamas, whoever is the Grand Ayatollah in Iran and his gang, the leaders and as many of the members as can be found of al-Qaeda / Taliban / Boko Harum / Abu Sayyaf / al-Shabab, and the rest - don't tell me we don't know where they are, if that's really true, find them.  Shut done their ability to communicate, financial activity, recruiting, support and supply sources and routes, places of refuge... 


Too bad we don't have a leader in the White House, in either party, or in Europe right now.  Those in office need to step aside or be removed.  If they don't wake up they will be pushed aside.  It will take awhile, but look how much support a clown like Donald Trump is getting.  Look at the ground the 'far right' parties are gaining in Europe.  Look at the popularity of a thug like Putin.

Yes, life is always so simple for neocons.  Just do whatever isn't working and double down on it.  And claim that the reason we're in such a bad state is that the pussyboy liberals are too chickenshit to go down the stupid road.

"Step 4:  Start finding and killing the leaders of this.  That means the leaders of Hamas, whoever is the Grand Ayatollah in Iran and his gang,"

Great idea.  Kill the leader of a foreign country.  That'll learn em to not fuck with the USA.  America, fuck yeah. 

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on June 12, 2016, 07:32:09 AM
So the shooter was involved with Arafat?  Have you informed the police about this amazing piece of news?

That's what you got out of that post?  Explains a lot.  'Liberalism' in a nutshell. 

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on June 12, 2016, 07:34:08 AM
Yes, life is always so simple for neocons...

Oh yes, everything that doesn't fit into the Lib worldview is always so 'complex'.

But not what they want to do:  take away everyone's guns, hand out money and run up deficits, free everything for everyone - to be paid for by 'the rich', whatever isn't going their way is due to 'racism'.  Non of that is ever 'complex'.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 12, 2016, 07:43:35 AM
Oh yes, everything that doesn't fit into the Lib worldview is always so 'complex'.

But not what they want to do:  take away everyone's guns, hand out money and run up deficits, free everything for everyone - to be paid for by 'the rich', whatever isn't going their way is due to 'racism'.  Non of that is ever 'complex'.

You're doing it again.  Taking one data point and extrapolating it into an example of everything you hate.

Calm down.  Beat your meat or something.  The shooter is dead, there's really no need to rush.  Let's get all the facts first before jumping off into another war.  Wouldn't that be a good idea, thinking things through before spending 5 trillion dollars and thousands of lives FOR NOTHING like last time?

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on June 12, 2016, 07:34:08 AM
... Great idea.  Kill the leader of a foreign country.  That'll learn em to not fuck with the USA.  America, fuck yeah.

The government of Iran was teetering on the brink, the economy in shambles.  This took years of pressure from the US to have other western economic powers, Russia, even China to deny them access to financial markets, to refrain from doing business there, deny weapons sales, etc, to the extent they were on board.  The dipshit in the White House threw it all away.

Doesn't that government claim the Ayatollah is not the head of government anyway?  He is the fount of Shia terror though.

Take him and his gang of thugs out.  And announce why.  Fuck yeah.

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on June 12, 2016, 07:49:54 AM
You're doing it again.  Taking one data point and extrapolating it into an example of everything you hate...

Um, that was you, with your ''life is always so simple for neocons'' comment. 

I was just responding to it.  And I'm not even a neocon

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on June 12, 2016, 07:49:54 AM
... Calm down.  Beat your meat or something.  The shooter is dead, there's really no need to rush.  Let's get all the facts first before jumping off into another war.  Wouldn't that be a good idea, thinking things through before spending 5 trillion dollars and thousands of lives FOR NOTHING like last time?

Well, let's see.  Again, where have you been for the last 50 years of this?  You guys act as if each of these is some surprising out of the blue isolated incident, and not part of an ongoing problem.

I guess the part you aren't getting is - we don't need to tie specific events to specific groups.  There doesn't even need to be any group responsible for any given specific event, any could be the work of some pos acting on his own.  What we do need is to remove all of these groups.

The steps I listed have zero to do with 'last time', and don't involve 'another war'.  More of an assassination campaign, performed by special forces on the ground, targeted air strikes, and policies cutting off access to funds, communication, supplies, etc.  And a united front with heavy doses of explanations to the world about what was done and why.

I didn't support attacking Iraq then, and am not suggesting some massive troop deployment now.

ItsOver

P*B, will you ever learn?  Liberalism, progressive-ism, stupid-ism, whatever you want to call it is an incurable mental disorder.  I'm sure they view others as having a mental disorder.  Me?  I'm an alien so I'm just observing and probing. ;)


SredniVashtar

I don't know if you can access this from over there, but I stumbled into a documentary on the radio the other day that really made me think. It's wrong to think about Islam as one solid entity because there are any numbers of different, conflicting factions. I think most reasonably educated people are aware of that, but what I didn't know was that most of the trouble comes from a group based in Pakistan known as the Deobandis, who are the ones going around blowing up anyone who disagrees with them, and have particular problems with a rival group called the Barelvis. If you can get hold of this I would recommend having a listen. I heard it on the World Service, so it should be possible

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07766zw

GravitySucks

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2016, 08:10:28 AM
I don't know if you can access this from over there, but I stumbled into a documentary on the radio the other day that really made me think. It's wrong to think about Islam as one solid entity because there are any numbers of different, conflicting factions. I think most reasonably educated people are aware of that, but what I didn't know was that most of the trouble comes from a group based in Pakistan known as the Deobandis, who are the ones going around blowing up anyone who disagrees with them, and have particular problems with a rival group called the Barelvis. If you can get hold of this I would recommend having a listen. I heard it on the World Service, so it should be possible

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07766zw

The link works for me. Thanks

Yorkshire pud

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According to the Mass Shooting Tracker, the US last year suffered 372 mass shootings, defined as a single incident that kills or injures four or more people. Some 475 people were killed and 1,870 wounded.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/36510272

chefist

Dems will use the term, "Christian Fundamentalist" if one blows up an abortion clinic. They should also use the term, "Islamic Terrorist" when appropriate.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 12, 2016, 07:43:35 AM
Oh yes, everything that doesn't fit into the Lib worldview is always so 'complex'.

I think it's simplistic because, like most things to do with war, all the planning strategy and whatever evaporates as soon as it makes contact with the enemy. If your proposals stood a reasonable chance of working then it would be reasonable to assume that they would have been implemented by now. Cutting off the head of one horrible leader doesn't necessarily mean that things will get better, often they can get a lot worse, as we have seen in Iraq. It's a bit like assuming that a huge artillery bombardment was going to beat the Germans into submission on the Western Front during WW1. It didn't work, and there's not much evidence to suggest that these blunt force solutions ever do. We can all say 'wipe out ISIS'. I'm sure everyone would want that, but it's a question of finding a way of doing it, otherwise all you are doing is playing armchair general rather than living in the real world.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2016, 08:10:28 AM
... It's wrong to think about Islam as one solid entity because there are any numbers of different, conflicting factions. I think most reasonably educated people are aware of that, but what I didn't know was that most of the trouble comes from a group based in Pakistan known as the Deobandis, who are the ones going around blowing up anyone who disagrees with them, and have particular problems with a rival group called the Barelvis...

I get that Islam is not a solid entity, but look at a list of current wars around the world.  Last time I looked, and it's been awhile, an Islamic group or country was involved in something like 23 out of 26 or so.  I don't think it's jus one or two factions.

These are violent, backwards, uncivilized people who can't get along with their neighbors, and who's views and lifestyle are incompatible with living in a democracy.  With millions of exceptions, no doubt.  Except we aren't very good at figuring out which is which.  To continue on our current path is suicide.

Lilith

Just guessing here, but I suppose the shooter was the only armed individual in the club?

chefist

State of Emergency declared in Orlando...

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 12, 2016, 08:22:33 AM
I get that Islam is not a solid entity, but look at a list of current wars around the world.  Last time I looked, and it's been awhile, an Islamic group or country was involved in something like 23 out of 26 or so.  I don't think it's jus one or two factions.

These are violent, backwards, uncivilized people who can't get along with their neighbors, and who's views and lifestyle are incompatible with living in a democracy.  With millions of exceptions, no doubt.  Except we aren't very good at figuring out which is which.  To continue on our current path is suicide.

Have a look into it before you jump to a conclusion. You don't need a large group of people to wreak havoc, that's one of the governing rules of terrorism, you just need to be organised, and these guys are certainly organised. The big problem is that by alienating an entire religion then you lose the people you need on your side, who find themselves drifting into quasi-sympathy for the terrorists because they feel their whole belief system is under threat. That's one of the most dangerous things about all of this, that we get things out of proportion. You can't eliminate an entire religion, most of whose followers are law-abiding, and as long as they keep within the laws it's probably not a  good idea to alienate them. That's pure common sense, and not some sort of liberal agenda to be sympathetic towards terrorism.

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