Trump

[Quick Karl]

Even the average person on Bellgab, say Yorkshire pussy for instance, can observe that Trump often changes track in the middle of a sentence, which may seem ill advised, but it IS what he did when he was talking about blood coming out of Megyn Crowley's eyes. He simply did not finish his thought and went on to the next point that he wanted to make.

The piling on of everyone in politics, their media puppets, and resentment filled Americans that likely don't even vote, is merely an indication of their own resentment of Trump, and of the popularity and support he has received with seemingly no effort, by merely telling the truth about the fraud of establishment politics and their puppets in ALL media. Fraud that everyone in this country knows full well - which is why the establishment is so desperate to kill Trump's candidacy as fast as possible, by means of whatever straw they can grasp and run with.

When otherwise intelligent people intentionally ignore the facts that even average people can see, and intentionally promulgate misinformation - those average people see it, and they know what it is - which makes them hate you. It is fraudulent, a disservice to our country and to our political system, and reveals the fraud of those laying claim to the intellect award.

How many disingenuous, intentionally misleading talking heads on TV and radio will it take before people wake up and stop allowing themselves to be led around  like puppets by corporate fascist prostitutes like Megyn Crowley and etc., ad infinitum?

[Yorkshire pud]

I know you must bow to your masters in places like Strasbourg, Brussels, and Luxembourg and, maybe but I doubt, enjoy the benefits of those immigration schemes and political-correctness (and just politicians) that involve ignoring the sex-trade and even child abuse for decades but my, I won't speak for anyone else, reasons against Billary is not due to her sex. Ignoring ALL the other scandals, mistaken "recollections," lies, financial deals, Factor-8 HIV/Hep blood stuff*, bimbo eruptions, Park-O-Meter, Benghazi gun running, Whitewater, mining deals, NAFTA, Asian funding, Foundations, ADFA, etc. The more recent one is summarized pretty good at link below:
http://observer.com/2015/08/breaking-cheryl-mills-to-destroy-emails-about-hillary-clinton/#ixzz3iBGOasdu
There is a long history of abuses, and even crimes (even if just by association,) for her to become President.
*not the first time emails and communications were destroyed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4608134.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/4758667.stm

Erm, was I referring to you? No.

[Jackstar]

My University of Chicago educated philosophy professor, who holds Phd's in philosophy, political science, and English, told me that I would make a great lawyer (I don't know if he meant that as a compliment?), but I confess that I do not try as diligently, anymore... [...] I loathe injustice.

That's cool and all, but that doesn't make you a lawyer, it makes you a citizen.

[Quick Karl]

That's cool and all, but that doesn't make you a lawyer, it makes you a citizen.

Thank you.

[SciFiAuthor]

I agree. I think that Trump will learn from his mistakes and will clean things up a bit -- but I do not think that he was referring to Megan Crowley's vagina when he was talking about blood coming out of her eyes.

Yeah, I don't think that's what he meant, I think it's what his detractors wanted it to mean. I thought it was ambiguous.

[CornyCrow]

Even the average person on Bellgab, say Yorkshire pussy for instance, can observe that Trump often changes track in the middle of a sentence, which may seem ill advised, but it IS what he did when he was talking about blood coming out of Megyn Crowley's eyes. He simply did not finish his thought and went on to the next point that he wanted to make.

The piling on of everyone in politics, their media puppets, and resentment filled Americans that likely don't even vote, is merely an indication of their own resentment of Trump, and of the popularity and support he has received with seemingly no effort, by merely telling the truth about the fraud of establishment politics and their puppets in ALL media. Fraud that everyone in this country knows full well - which is why the establishment is so desperate to kill Trump's candidacy as fast as possible, by means of whatever straw they can grasp and run with.

When otherwise intelligent people intentionally ignore the facts that even average people can see, and intentionally promulgate misinformation - those average people see it, and they know what it is - which makes them hate you. It is fraudulent, a disservice to our country and to our political system, and reveals the fraud of those laying claim to the intellect award.

How many disingenuous, intentionally misleading talking heads on TV and radio will it take before people wake up and stop allowing themselves to be led around  like puppets by corporate fascist prostitutes like Megyn Crowley and etc., ad infinitum?

I'm no fan of Trump, I thought he was surrounded with yes men and could not hold up to a debate of equals. 

One of my biggest problem with our government is that it is owned by business interests.  We sorely need campaign finance reform so that candidates can run without having to prostitute themselves for money.  On the right, that money is supplied by Adleson and Koch. 

So, I watch the debate, interested in seeing what happens.  When the first, especially, part of the debate was so obviously geared to taking Trump down I wondered why he was singled out - and then I remember that the other candidates had had a little redevous with the Koch's to raise money.  The answer was then clear - Trump took no money from them, therefore he could not be controlled, therefore the three 'hosts', mostly Kelly, had to put him down.

They failed.  What they DID do was give him more air time than the others.  He has less money than Adleson or the Kochs, making him look like the little guy being picked on by the big bullies.  He was cast as speaking truth to power.  People, rightfully, love this.

Although I don't especially like his style, I found myself rooting for him. 

Although it will not turn you into Trump supporters, if anyone actually watched the entire debate, I don't see how they could come out the other end not feeling sympathetically towards him. 

[Jackstar]

Yeah, I don't think that's what he meant, I think it's what his detractors wanted it to mean. I thought it was ambiguous.

I've been reading comments on this particular comment of Trump's for days now, and SciFiAuthor has inspired me to actually analyze it myself. (Thanks!)

https://youtu.be/M28z9y4yT6Y?t=31

And now, I am appalled. That there are actually people who actually don't know what he meant.

Has the capacity for critical thought really sunk so far? I'm truly stunned in my nerve cluster.

You know. Wherever.

[CornyCrow]

I only supported him for shaking things up. Heck, depending on who gets the nomination and if he goes 3rd Party I still might considering voting for him for the heck of it. I don't think he is sincere on illegal, or other, immigration issues, guns, etc. I also think he actually likes the current, muddled tax-code, bankruptcy procedures, and other regulatory capture via lobbyists. He takes advantage of them. Good, everyone should. The problem is small businesses, much less individuals, don't have the means to PAY for the loop-holes, the good tax accountants and lawyers, or the financing for politicians. Having said all that I appreciate his, relative, honesty and saying "they are all bought," say at least a bit about the problems caused by illegal immigrants, and basically calling bs on the "debate" system and so-called reporters.

Yeah.  How do we get big money out of politics, starting with election finance reform when no politician even will discuss it?  THey are all owned.  Elections hardly matter any longer.

[CornyCrow]

I agree on every point you made.  I will be voting 3rd Party if Bush is the Republican nominee. We've been there and done that and well the Bushes suck.  They are as much of a problem as the Democrats and other RINOs.

Kasich is for means testing Soc Sec.  I'd see that as reasonable, but government policies seem to encourage propagation of the poor and now wishes to have the elderly pay for it.  Not a good thing. 

This may not be an issue with you, but having a bible test or an abortion test is, to me, embarrassing and uncalled for.  If Carly had a chance of winning and found herself prego, I do not believe for one moment that she'd carry on with the pregnancy.  The thing is people with money could always do a few days in Europe to handle these things, so only the lower middle class and poor women will have their aspirations crushed by such policies. 

I believe what is said - if men had to personally face such a decision, if men could get pregnant, this would not even be an issue.

[Jackstar]

How do we get big money out of politics, starting with election finance reform when no politician even will discuss it?  THey are all owned.  Elections hardly matter any longer.

Who is John Galt?

[CornyCrow]

Who is John Galt?

A good one.  Trump probably represents Libertarian idealism more than do Ron or Rand.

[Jackstar]

A good one.  Trump probably represents Libertarian idealism more than do Ron or Rand.

Trump thinks he's Ragnar Danneskjöld, but he's actually Ellsworth Toohey. Won't he be surprised at the end!

[CornyCrow]

Trump thinks he's Ragnar Danneskjöld, but he's actually Ellsworth Toohey. Won't he be surprised at the end!

Sorry to say I am not so familiar with the characters.  It's been a long time.

[Jackstar]

Sorry to say I am not so familiar with the characters.  It's been a long time.

No need for apologies: I picked an obscure cameo and an antagonist from an entirely different novel. What are ya gonna do--fire me?

[littlechris]

No need for apologies: I picked an obscure cameo and an antagonist from an entirely different novel. What are ya gonna do--fire me?

HEY BRAVE GUY!!!

I SEE YOU BLOCKED ME FROM SENDING YOU A PM.

YOU CAN SURE TALK HELL OF SHIT BUT YOU ARE TOO BIG OF A BITCH TO ACCEPT PRIVATE MESSAGES??

BITCH!!

[CornyCrow]

No need for apologies: I picked an obscure cameo and an antagonist from an entirely different novel. What are ya gonna do--fire me?

I used to watch that when young hopefuls were the contestants.  I remember Trump's side kicks were George and some professional younger woman, whom Trump fired to give the job to his daughter.  I remember feeling so sorry for that woman. 

[Jackstar]

YOU ARE TOO BIG OF A BITCH

I am a star.

[Jackstar]

I used to watch that when young hopefuls were the contestants.  I remember Trump's side kicks were George and some professional younger woman, whom Trump fired to give the job to his daughter.  I remember feeling so sorry for that woman.

I was glued to it for the first three years or so. It was more enjoyable for me when the showrunners didn't quite know what they were doing.

Meanwhile... don't cry too floodlingly for Ms. Carolyn Kepcher. She clearly made it out quite okay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Kepcher#Post-Trump_career

Kepcher is still highly regarded[by whom?] in the golf industry,

[CornyCrow]

I was glued to it for the first three years or so. It was more enjoyable for me when the showrunners didn't quite know what they were doing.

Meanwhile... don't cry too floodlingly for Ms. Carolyn Kepcher. She clearly made it out quite okay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Kepcher#Post-Trump_career

You are such a wealth of information.  Thank you.  I tried to look up her net worth, to no avail, but I'm glad to see that she's still going strong.  I read that Trump fired her for spending too much of her personal time on other activities.  I think he just wanted to make room for his little girl, but when you reach a certain level in most organizations it is expected that your life is dedicated to them. 

[Quick Karl]

[SciFiAuthor]

I've been reading comments on this particular comment of Trump's for days now, and SciFiAuthor has inspired me to actually analyze it myself. (Thanks!)

https://youtu.be/M28z9y4yT6Y?t=31

And now, I am appalled. That there are actually people who actually don't know what he meant.

Has the capacity for critical thought really sunk so far? I'm truly stunned in my nerve cluster.

You know. Wherever.

Sounded like a flubbed half-thought that went wrong to me. I mean, we can breathe meaning into things, but if he really wanted to create a controversial remark he would have been more straightforward. He's not known for his subtlety.

[Jackstar]

You are such a wealth of information.

[Jackstar]

he would have been more straightforward. He's not known for his subtlety.

I don't know how he could have been more straightforward without actually whipping it out and slipping it in. Come on.

[Quick Karl]

Sounded like a flubbed half-thought that went wrong to me. I mean, we can breathe meaning into things, but if he really wanted to create a controversial remark he would have been more straightforward. He's not known for his subtlety.

ZACTLY!

[SciFiAuthor]

I don't know how he could have been more straightforward without actually whipping it out and slipping it in. Come on.

I think that's what he would have done! I think he would have come out and said it outright. I'm not saying he wouldn't say such a thing, just that I don't think he meant to say it there. There was just no set up for it.

[Jackstar]

he would have come out and said it outright.

My contention here is that he did in fact say it outright. It was exquisitely clear what he meant. I honestly don't know how you, a presumably educated man, can sit here with your bald face hanging out, banging away on the keys to create a configuration of symbols that translate into, "Oh noes. He didn't mean that."

See, now that's subtlety, right there! You're not even hiding it, Monsieur! J'accuse!! J'accuse!!!

[Jackstar]

There was just no set up for it.

And if you don't think that Trump walked out on that stage without knowing in advance every. single. question. that would be asked of everyone and by whom, you and I are not even really discussing the relations, interactions, and politics of the same species.

[Quick Karl]

And if you don't think that Trump walked out on that stage without knowing in advance every. single. question. that would be asked of everyone and by whom, you and I are not even really discussing the relations, interactions, and politics of the same species.

Have to disagree with you on this one, Jack. Trump doesn't strike me as someone that sits in a room full of college debaters and lawyers prepping for a debate - he might oughta start, but it seems clear that he does no such thing.

Unless that is what you meant...

[SciFiAuthor]

My contention here is that he did in fact say it outright. It was exquisitely clear what he meant. I honestly don't know how you, a presumably educated man, can sit here with your bald face hanging out, banging away on the keys to create a configuration of symbols that translate into, "Oh noes. He didn't mean that."

See, now that's subtlety, right there! You're not even hiding it, Monsieur! J'accuse!! J'accuse!!!

Settle down Jack or sedative injections will be in order! And after that, you'll get some too! God damn Onan and his psychiatristness. My contention is based on Trump's past behavior. When he wanted to make a statement like this he'd have just said something along the lines of "The stupid bimbo must have been on her period". I find it hard to believe that he would be that subtle as to merely insinuate. Hasn't ever been subtle before as far as I know. But I'm not in the man's head.

[Jackstar]

it seems clear that he

IS TRUMP.



There were questions? There was a list.
There was a list? He had it.
He was going to be on television? He had a plan.
He had a plan? It won.
He is TRUMP. Like, where have y'all been for the past three decades?


Do not get me wrong here. I am hardly a sycophantic Trumpeter. Quite the opposite, in fact, some would be quite surprised. What I am, however, is a voracious student of contemporary events, and this guy is gonna bigfoot this entire carnival with every trick in the deck. Listen to me now and believe me later.