Time to consider "Worst Administration Ever"?

[Yorkshire pud]

Stop the presses: I agree with more of this than any other post you've made.

Silly man. You know not what you say. It's probably illegal.

But wanting change, and then voting for a complete cipher, whose literally unbelievably paltry official personal history read like a textbook "legend" concocted by spymasters, was beyond foolish - it was suicidal. Obama's supporters were willfully blind to what were at a minimum screaming question marks about the man. They (and the press, which was gleefully allied to both campaigns) savagely attacked as racists anyone who would have applied standard presidential vetting to Obama. The symbolism of electing a black man was so much more important to Obama's voters than a reasoned examination of what the man would really do. You guys own him, lock, stock and Fast and Furious gun barrel.
Damn, but that George Bush is powerful. What a genius he was. Or maybe it's it's his massive Charles Xavier brain, commanding Obama by thought alone.

But he was voted in. As was every president before; and unless you have a complete re arrangement of your method of appointing future administrations, it will continue to be so.. The next one will piss off 50% or more of the population for lots of reasons (and they'll have promised peace, prosperity and fluffy clouds for everyone)..they'll make mistakes, some catastrophic. The smooshing will be made with the big companies who will be the real controllers.. I very good book is by John Pilger. "The new rulers of the world".. I believe there is a YT vid with the same title, but I haven't watched it.

[onan]

I am not giving Bush credit for being effective, quite the contrary, he is the biggest failure of a president of the last 70+ years, maybe longer. Yet his endeavors are directly responsible for the economic disaster we are in now. From the unfunded war, to the stripping away of the justice department allowing wall street to rape this country. Yes he was powerful... powerful stupid. And how anyone can try to minimize that is either ignorant or deceptive, I doubt both.


Did Obama follow him out the window? in many ways, yes he did.


The only point I was making is that hope and change was what the country needed and still does. that was it.

[West of the Rockies]

I agree, Onan... "Hope and change" is ridiculed as being sentimental, silly, or socialist I guess.  But what else is there?  "Status Quo in '04!"  "Keep it straight in '08!" 

[PB the Deplorable]

I agree, Onan... "Hope and change" is ridiculed as being sentimental, silly, or socialist I guess.  But what else is there?  "Status Quo in '04!"  "Keep it straight in '08!"

Sardondi was just saying people knew at the time Obama was such the wrong guy - pretty much the worst person possible.  And the rest of us should have known that at the time too. 

Change just for change's sake doesn't usually turn out well.  McCain wasn't Bush.  We'll have 'change' no matter who is elected in 2017 because they will be different from Obama - a different cabinet, different priorities, different worldview (hopefully way different). different issues to address, different crisis to manage, a different Congress to deal with... 

[RealCool Daddio]

We'll have 'change' no matter who is elected in 2017 because they will be different from Obama - a different cabinet, different priorities, different worldview (hopefully way different). different issues to address, different crisis to manage, a different Congress to deal with...

True.  Hillary is going to have her work cut out for her.

[onan]

Sardondi was just saying people knew at the time Obama was such the wrong guy - pretty much the worst person possible.  And the rest of us should have known that at the time too. 

Change just for change's sake doesn't usually turn out well.  McCain wasn't Bush.  We'll have 'change' no matter who is elected in 2017 because they will be different from Obama - a different cabinet, different priorities, different worldview (hopefully way different). different issues to address, different crisis to manage, a different Congress to deal with...

I understand euphemisms. And I fully accept I wasn't as knowledgeable of Obama as I should have been. But, and as much as it may irritate some, Bush sank any chance for a republican to get into office. And without acrimony, I doubt the republicans have a chance in the next 8 to 12 years. The change I wanted was no war and no war on the poor. I didn't get that. Because Obama is a wet sock and unable to lead.

[Unquenchable Angst]

nothing  will change but the names. The puppet masters pulling the strings will still be anointing the DemoPublicrat successor to Barry. He or she will still be taking orders from the puppetmasters and still doing their nefarious best to keep the people dumbed down and dying off from  eating poisoned food, water and air. War will still be the policies as the puppet masters are still consolidating their little feudal planet. If the candidate offers hope, change, platitudes and other trivials, all you will receive is slavery and a bag of shit. Leadership? hell no the puppetmasters don't want a 'leader' They want to destroy the last vestige of productivity of the only democratic Republic that would have the capability if aroused to fury to destroy the world puppetmasters. They keep the people divided, hanging on for survival, destroying their health and vitality, Creating diversions from the problems. Creating Crises, Analysis, Solution senarios through various 'Reichstag Events'. Contolling the media. Making Truth a thought crime. We are at the crossroad of Freedom or Slavery.Our Enlightenment or our death.

[PB the Deplorable]

.. Bush sank any chance for a republican to get into office...

That's true.  And unfortunate.  It's been a vote for the least worse for so long now.  Imagine the dreck of a McCain Presidency.

.. I doubt the republicans have a chance in the next 8 to 12 years...

You may be right, they certainly don't deserve to be in the way they've been operating.

[PB the Deplorable]

True.  Hillary is going to have her work cut out for her.

Can she start tomorrow?

[b_dubb]

I am not giving Bush credit for being effective, quite the contrary, he is the biggest failure of a president of the last 70+ years, maybe longer. Yet his endeavors are directly responsible for the economic disaster we are in now. From the unfunded war, to the stripping away of the justice department allowing wall street to rape this country. Yes he was powerful... powerful stupid. And how anyone can try to minimize that is either ignorant or deceptive, I doubt both.

Did Obama follow him out the window? in many ways, yes he did.

The only point I was making is that hope and change was what the country needed and still does. that was it.

Couldn't agree more with this ^^^^^

[NowhereInTime]

So why not a legitimate 3rd party choice like Jesse Ventura?  We know he is anti-drone war, we know he is against hegemonic involvements around the world that squander our resources, we know he supports civil liberities including the right to privacy.  We know he has had successful careers in entertainment (so he's no "commie"), he served our country during the Vietnam era (he's a patriot), and he was a popular governor of a fairly important state.  He's electable and has a very public track record.  He has executive experience and a genuine ability to work with people. 
Maybe we give Dems and Repubs a break for four (eight?) years and see what a 3rd party leader could do...

[onan]

So why not a legitimate 3rd party choice like Jesse Ventura?  We know he is anti-drone war, we know he is against hegemonic involvements around the world that squander our resources, we know he supports civil liberities including the right to privacy.  We know he has had successful careers in entertainment (so he's no "commie"), he served our country during the Vietnam era (he's a patriot), and he was a popular governor of a fairly important state.  He's electable and has a very public track record.  He has executive experience and a genuine ability to work with people. 
Maybe we give Dems and Repubs a break for four (eight?) years and see what a 3rd party leader could do...

I am all for a third party. But I have the same complaint of Jesse that I do with Ralph. they come on like gangbusters when the presidential election is near but nothing from them 2 years out. I may be wrong on this, but I haven't see Jesse do much of anything to support a third party. And for a third party to be viable they need to start getting their party into other seats first. A third party could be viable, but it will take more than a celebrity showing up 6 months before the election to get the job done.

[PB the Deplorable]

... A third party could be viable, but it will take more than a celebrity showing up 6 months before the election to get the job done.

See:  Arnold Schwarzenegger

[onan]

See:  Arnold Schwarzenegger

good one PB... do you think he would have been elected if he had been on a third party ticket?

[PB the Deplorable]

good one PB... do you think he would have been elected if he had been on a third party ticket?

Maybe, that was a weird election.  On the ballot first we voted yes or no to recall the current gov at that time Gray Davis.  Part B we voted for a replacement candidate in case the recall went thru.  There were well over 100 candidates on the ballot - anyone that signed up and qualified - it was quite the circus.  And whoever got the most votes would win - not 50%.

The main contenders were a D, and 2 R's.  The Greens, other Parties, Independents and the lesser Ds, and Rs didn't do well at all.  I think it was mostly name recognition and a personality contest (maybe that's what it always comes down to).  I think if a real good Independent or Third Party that somehow managed to appeal to a wide group and got some momentum had run they'd have had a good chance.  Arnold may have won doing that rather than as an R, it's hard to say

He won with a plurality in the high 40%, I think the Dem got about 30% and the other Rep 10% or so.  Def star power and other candidates no one wanted.


He ended up killing the R party here deader  than the Bush clan has killed it as a national party

[West of the Rockies]

I live in California and thought Arnold did some good things here as governor.  I find Ventura to be interesting and compelling, but I have doubts that he is electable or that his charismatic straight-talk would necessarily be a hallmark of his time in office as president.  He comes with a lot of baggage. 

I am so tired of career politicians and millionaire politicians.  I wish we could turn back time and elect someone like a Jefferson again.  I'm NOT saying the man was a flawless saint, but he had an interest in multiple subjects and was not born and bred to be in office.  He was an inventor, farmer, writer, etc.  Nowadays, we have millionaire businessmen and women (many of whom have not seen a day in true military uniform) who slide into office on a slick trail of money and connections. 

Sigh....  Any chance we could resurrect Carl Sagan and ask him to run?  I'd give that a chance....

[lonevoice]

Nothing  will change but the names.

I wouldn't count on it.  There's more than a passing chance that the 2016 presidential election will bring us Clinton VS Bush again.   

[Sardondi]

I wouldn't count on it.  There's more than a passing chance that the 2016 presidential election will bring us Clinton VS Bush again.

Oh, God, please no. If that's the case, or even if a Bush clone like Perry gets the Republican nomination, for the first time in my life my vote in a national election will be Libertarian.

[PB the Deplorable]

I live in California and thought Arnold did some good things here as governor...

He seemed to be doing well until the propositions he sponsored all lost.  I think he sort of threw in the towel after that.

[PB the Deplorable]

Oh, God, please no. If that's the case, or even if a Bush clone like Perry gets the Republican nomination, for the first time in my life my vote in a national election will be Libertarian.

Jeb Bush appointed the judge in the Zimmerman trial, a lifelong Democrat.  Why would the R's bust their ass to get him elected.

[West of the Rockies]

You know, Paperboy, there are times when I read your posts where I think there is ZERO chance the political divide in this country can be reduced.  Are you saying that the lone fact that a Republican governor appointed a Democrat to office is enough to keep him from becoming president?  Reagan had Democrats in his administration.  Clinton had (and Obama had) Republicans in their administrations.

Can there be no "reaching out" whatsoever with you?  If I am a Democrat, must I (in your world) be forever and always against a Republican contributing in any way to a Democratic administration?  Would I have to turn in my "liberal card" if I ever thought a life-long Republican judge could be effective, competent, and good?

[Sardondi]

Jeb Bush appointed the judge in the Zimmerman trial, a lifelong Democrat.  Why would the R's bust their ass to get him elected.

The party insiders would sell their souls for the national media to say nice things about them.

[PB the Deplorable]

You know, Paperboy, there are times when I read your posts where I think there is ZERO chance the political divide in this country can be reduced.  Are you saying that the lone fact that a Republican governor appointed a Democrat to office is enough to keep him from becoming president?  Reagan had Democrats in his administration.  Clinton had (and Obama had) Republicans in their administrations.

Can there be no "reaching out" whatsoever with you?  If I am a Democrat, must I (in your world) be forever and always against a Republican contributing in any way to a Democratic administration?  Would I have to turn in my "liberal card" if I ever thought a life-long Republican judge could be effective, competent, and good?

Heh, ok fair enough.   You are right, how can things change for the better if that is the prevailing mindset.

I guess what I meant to say is we've already had one lousy Bush Presidency and another disastrous one.  So going in, skepticism is high with 'Jeb'.   Based on this trial, this judge is horrible and partisan - and that goes to Jeb's judgment in appointing her. 

Appointing someone from the other party is fine - if they are going to be a good judge.

[FightTheFuture]

Jeb Bush appointed the judge in the Zimmerman trial, a lifelong Democrat.  Why would the R's bust their ass to get him elected.

Country Club Republicans. They make my stomach turn.

[West of the Rockies]

Heh, ok fair enough.   You are right, how can things change for the better if that is the prevailing mindset.

I guess what I meant to say is we've already had one lousy Bush Presidency and another disastrous one.  So going in, skepticism is high with 'Jeb'.   Based on this trial, this judge is horrible and partisan - and that goes to Jeb's judgment in appointing her. 

Appointing someone from the other party is fine - if they are going to be a good judge.

I'm glad to have read your words, Paperboy...  It's so easy for all of us to focus on the ways in which we are different rather than the things we have in common.  I hope you enjoy your day....

[Unquenchable Angst]

I wouldn't count on it.  There's more than a passing chance that the 2016 presidential election will bring us Clinton VS Bush again.

OK meat units bearing same names or sharing genes a possibility  but the essence is that they will be puppets of some generally unseen  people that will direct the agenda. I too will (return to ) {be}voting Libertarian .I could never vote for a Bush or a Clinton.
I had not voted Democrat or Republican till2008 and 12 since the '70's and last time I voted Democrat was for McGovern.
As far as 'creepy-ass cracker' ....No I am a Crazy Ak-Mac with aged cheddar.

[Sardondi]

Country Club Republicans. They make my stomach turn.

Yep. Dem Lite.

[Unquenchable Angst]

Yep. Dem Lite.

Country Club Republican =  Rockefeller pawns, much as Dems are David Rockefeller pawns ,all CFR/Rothschild pawns. Whether you think Ickes is a loon or not .I can get the point of saying all these bastards are lizards.Voting for them encourages them they do not need encouraging.

[Juan]

I am very proud of the fact that I have not voted for a winning candidate for president since I fell for Richard Nixon's secret plan to end the war the first time I voted.  None of it is my fault.

[NowhereInTime]

Heh, ok fair enough.   You are right, how can things change for the better if that is the prevailing mindset.

I guess what I meant to say is we've already had one lousy Bush Presidency and another disastrous one.  So going in, skepticism is high with 'Jeb'.   Based on this trial, this judge is horrible and partisan - and that goes to Jeb's judgment in appointing her. 

Appointing someone from the other party is fine - if they are going to be a good judge.

George HW Bush was a cold war foreign policy genius.  Desert Shield/Desert Storm should be the text book model for crippling/eliminating a dictator.  The "New World Order", which I believe he genuinely meant as a method for peace, has been twisted to mean some Bilderberger/Illuminati garbage.  It was clearly created as an inclusive world society where commerce and the rule of law joined us as partners in peace.
Today at the White House GHW Bush is helping Obama acknowledge the 5,000th Point of Light volunteer for working with children.  I always thought this was a beautiful way to inspire volunteer work in the community. 
If only he hadn't bought in to supply side (or, in his own words, "VooDoo") economics, he would've been swept in to a second term. 
If Jeb Bush were like GHW with a smart economic philosophy and nothing like W, I would have to give him consideration. 
Hey, I live in Connecticut, Country Club Republicans are still the rule of the day here.