Random Political Thoughts

[GravitySucks]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/02/03/a-tough-call-on-libya-that-still-haunts/

[VtaGeezer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/02/03/a-tough-call-on-libya-that-still-haunts/

Fours years as a failed Sec State is not "best prepared".  She's a NOW/Children's Defense Fund feminist wonk who had and has no f'ing business in foreign affairs or national defense. She said tonight that she "couldn't conceive" of a crisis that would necessitate reinstating the draft.  Really! That's what happens when your only exposure to military force is against ragtag third world insurgents with no air force or navy, and nothing heavier than a 30mm in a stock Toyota Tacoma. She thinks the shit in Syria is all we've got to worry about.  No China.  No Putin.  No Kim.  No readiness.  No problem.

[Jackstar]

She thinks the shit in Syria is all we've got to worry about.  No China.  No Putin.  No Kim.  No readiness.  No problem.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

[Value Of Pi]

Fours years as a failed Sec State is not "best prepared".  She's a NOW/Children's Defense Fund feminist wonk who had and has no f'ing business in foreign affairs or national defense. She said tonight that she "couldn't conceive" of a crisis that would necessitate reinstating the draft.  Really! That's what happens when your only exposure to military force is against ragtag third world insurgents with no air force or navy, and nothing heavier than a 30mm in a stock Toyota Tacoma. She thinks the shit in Syria is all we've got to worry about.  No China.  No Putin.  No Kim.  No readiness.  No problem.

And if she could conceive of ever having to reinstate the draft, she'd still say that she couldn't conceive of it for fear of sounding like a "war monger" -- never realizing that the only effective way to deter rivals and enemies is to know how and when to talk tough. Meanwhile, being fully prepared to act where necessary.

[21st Century Man]

Why do people faint at campaign events?  I mean usually a person faints in reaction to some sort of shock. I can understand people falling asleep at campaign events but fainting? Really?

[FightTheFuture]

Why do people faint at campaign events?  I mean usually a person faints in reaction to some sort of shock. I can understand people falling asleep at campaign events but fainting? Really?

Alot of standing around. People sometimes lock their knees up while standing in the same position and after a while...down they go.

[whoozit]

Last month I got a phone call inviting me to attend a Jeb rally.  I laughed and hung up.

[GravitySucks]

Why do people faint at campaign events?  I mean usually a person faints in reaction to some sort of shock. I can understand people falling asleep at campaign events but fainting? Really?

If you make the mistake of locking your knees while standing for a long period, you will fall out. During formations in basic training, it would happen all the time. We were instructed to keep our knees unlocked and make subtle movements even while standing at attention to keep from passing out.

I am sure there is a medical explanation, but it can happen to anyone.

[FightTheFuture]

If you make the mistake of locking your knees while standing for a long period, you will fall out. During formations in basic training, it would happen all the time. We were instructed to keep our knees unlocked and make subtle movements even while standing at attention to keep from passing out.

I am sure there is a medical explanation, but it can happen to anyone.

[paladin1991]

Last month I got a phone call inviting me to attend a Jeb rally.  I laughed and hung up.

You should have asked if there was food and drink.  Go for the chow and the laughs.

[FightTheFuture]

Bob Beckel is at CNN now?

[21st Century Man]

If you make the mistake of locking your knees while standing for a long period, you will fall out. During formations in basic training, it would happen all the time. We were instructed to keep our knees unlocked and make subtle movements even while standing at attention to keep from passing out.

I am sure there is a medical explanation, but it can happen to anyone.

Wow, I didn't know that.  Thanks to both you and FighttheFuture for your answers.

[21st Century Man]

I'm going with either Cruz or Carson in the primary on March 1.  I could care less about the religious crap.   I want a candidate that will stick with the Constitution.  Rubio has damaged himself with the Gang of 8 bill.  Trump is right on illegal immigration but I doubt his conservative credentials otherwise. I will support Rubio and Trump if they are the nominee but I'm holding a cattle prod up their asses and if they waver from the Constitution, I will brand them.  Yeeee-haaaaw, Rawhide!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPplYp7K7M

[VtaGeezer]

I'm going with either Cruz or Carson in the primary on March 1.  I could care less about the religious crap.   I want a candidate that will stick with the Constitution 18th Century. Yeeee-haaaaw, Rawhide!

Which translates to this.

[CornyCrow]

I guess everyone knows, by now, that Cruz told his workers to tell the Carson delegates that Carson is out of the race, so they may as well move their votes to Cruz.  Of course, Carson was not out of the race, so it was a dirty trick - not something that Jesus would have done.

The curious thing, is that if those votes had gone to Carson, would Trump have been the winner?   

[GravitySucks]

I guess everyone knows, by now, that Cruz told his workers to tell the Carson delegates that Carson is out of the race, so they may as well move their votes to Cruz.  Of course, Carson was not out of the race, so it was a dirty trick - not something that Jesus would have done.

The curious thing, is that if those votes had gone to Carson, would Trump have been the winner?

I believe that is exactly what would have happened. I think the Carson votes got split between Cruz and Rubio.

[whoozit]

You should have asked if there was food and drink.  Go for the chow and the laughs.

Tempting but I'd be afraid I would have a cattle prod used on me if I didn't clap enough or at the correct parts.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

First time I've watched the Republicans in the debate.

Trump has big swinging balls and I want that man as leader of the free world. That slam on Cruz in his final statement was absolutely major league.

Carson is a very intelligent intellectual calm and reasonable man but not a leader. Good VP pick though.

Rubio is laughable. Plus he's short.

Cruz is a slimey putz.

Bush is just depressing.

Christie is a lunatic.

The other guy doesn't matter.

[21st Century Man]

Which translates to this.

Bullshit.  If it is soooo 18th century then why don't we amend it?  The principles of the Constititution are as important now as they were then perhaps even moreso in these troubling times.

[21st Century Man]

First time I've watched the Republicans in the debate.

Trump has big swinging balls and I want that man as leader of the free world. That slam on Cruz in his final statement was absolutely major league.

Carson is a very intelligent intellectual calm and reasonable man but not a leader. Good VP pick though.

Rubio is laughable. Plus he's short.

Cruz is a slimey putz.

Bush is just depressing.

Christie is a lunatic.

The other guy doesn't matter.

Trump is a blowhard and not so conservative with no detailed plans.  All he says is he is going to make America great again.  As for Cruz, you can believe what you want but he is the standard-bearer for true Constitutional conservatism.  We agree for the most part on Carson.  Rubio would be fine if it weren't for the Gang of 8 bill. The others have no chance so no point in elaborating on them.

[Designx]

Trump is a blowhard and not so conservative with no detailed plans.  All he says is he is going to make America great again.  As for Cruz, you can believe what you want but he is the standard-bearer for true Constitutional conservatism.  We agree for the most part on Carson.  Rubio would be fine if it weren't for the Gang of 8 bill. The others have no chance so no point in elaborating on them.

Too bad Trump is the moderate for this term as I fall into a moderate/right category and I think Trump is an idiot. I can't deal with the religious crap and the legislation of morality. Sometimes I feel like the far right is determined to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy.

[21st Century Man]

Too bad Trump is the moderate for this term as I fall into a moderate/right category and I think Trump is an idiot. I can't deal with the religious crap and the legislation of morality. Sometimes I feel like the far right is determined to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy.

That will never happen.  The Constitution expressly forbids a state religion however it doesn't ban certain religious principles from our society.  Prayer has always been important even in the political sphere as has faith.  To exclude these principles from our schools, government and the like is not what the Founders had in mind with the 1st amendment.  I'm not very religious to be honest though I'm a Christian.  I see no threat.

[FightTheFuture]

Rubio looked awful last night.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

That will never happen.  The Constitution expressly forbids a state religion however it doesn't ban certain religious principles from our society.  Prayer has always been important even in the political sphere as has faith.  To exclude these principles from our schools, government and the like is not what the Founders had in mind with the 1st amendment.  I'm not very religious to be honest though I'm a Christian.  I see no threat.

Ummmmmmmmmmm... that's exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. You saying the founding fathers would be cool with prayer in school shows you clearly do not understand your revolutionary era history. Read up on Thomas Jefferson thoughts on religion and government.

For Jefferson, separation of church and state was a necessary reform of the religious tyranny whereby a religion received state endorsement, and those not of that religion were denied rights, and even punished.

Following the Revolution, Jefferson played a leading role in the disestablishment of religion in Virginia. Previously as the established state church, the Anglican Church received tax support and no one could hold office who was not an Anglican. The Presbyterian, Baptist and Methodist churches did not receive tax support. As Jefferson wrote in his Notes on Virginia, pre-Revolutionary colonial law held that "if a person brought up a Christian denies the being of a God, or the Trinity ...he is punishable on the first offense by incapacity to hold any office ...; on the second by a disability to sue, to take any gift or legacy ..., and by three year' imprisonment." Prospective officer-holders were required to swear that they did not believe in the central Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation.

In 1779 Jefferson proposed "The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom", which was adopted in 1786. Its goal was complete separation of church and state; it declared the opinions of men to be beyond the jurisdiction of the civil magistrate. He asserted that the mind is not subject to coercion, that civil rights have no dependence on religious opinions, and that the opinions of men are not the concern of civil government. This became one of the American charters of freedom. This elevated declaration of the freedom of the mind was hailed in Europe as "an example of legislative wisdom and liberality never before known".[29]

Jefferson sought what he called a "wall of separation between Church and State", which he believed was a principle expressed by the First Amendment. Jefferson's phrase has been cited several times by the Supreme Court in its interpretation of the Establishment Clause, including in cases such as Reynolds v. United States (1878), Everson v. Board of Education (1947), and McCollum v. Board of Education (1948).

The fact that you or any American thinks that frightens me. You're free to think what you want to think but you're simply wrong about that.

[VtaGeezer]

Rubio looked awful last night.

Whats was amazing is that he repeated the exact same line four times as if he as in a trance.  The boy is all ambition, no ability. ut according to CNN this am, his 8 AM appearance in NH was SRO.  Makes me wonder if the generations who've grown up in front of a TV are truly incapable of complex thought.  Left or right, sound bites seem to mean more than candidates' actual history. We are fucked if this bunch is the best we can come up with to lead a third of a billion people.

[GravitySucks]

Ummmmmmmmmmm... that's exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. You saying the founding fathers would be cool with prayer in school shows you clearly do not understand your revolutionary era history. Read up on Thomas Jefferson thoughts on religion and government.

The fact that you or any American thinks that frightens me. You're free to think what you want to think but you're simply wrong about that.

Jefferson was only one of the Founding Fathers. I seem to remember him writing his own version of the bible as well. "Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the Son of God" is a quote attributed to his rationale for cutting out any references to miracles, the supernatural, or the Ressurection.

That frightens me more than allowing prayer in school.

p.s. prayer is allowed in schools, it just cannot be school led mandatory prayer. Hope that doesn't cause you to denounce your citizenship. 

[GravitySucks]

Whats was amazing is that he repeated the exact same line four times as if he as in a trance.  The boy is all ambition, no ability. ut according to CNN this am, his 8 AM appearance in NH was SRO.  Makes me wonder if the generations who've grown up in front of a TV are truly incapable of complex thought.  Left or right, sound bites seem to mean more than candidates' actual history. We are fucked if this bunch is the best we can come up with to lead a third of a billion people.

I don't care who you support,  but I agree with your last sentence. The only change I would make is to change "if" to "since".

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Jefferson was only one of the Founding Fathers. I seem to remember him writing his own version of the bible as well. "Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the Son of God" is a quote attributed to his rationale for cutting out any references to miracles, the supernatural, or the Ressurection.

That frightens me more than allowing prayer in school.

p.s. prayer is allowed in schools, it just cannot be school led mandatory prayer. Hope that doesn't cause you to denounce your citizenship.

Most of the founding fathers weren't religious and that was the most educated age in history. They quite frankly thought religion was going to be dead within 50 years because it was corrupt nonsense. But that's why we have these laws so I don't have to put up with your bullshit and you don't have to put up with mine.

Yeah prayer is allowed in school but they make them go stand out by the flagpole like a bunch of losers to do it. 

So you're saying a guy not believing in miracles from God frightens you more than government imposed religion?

[CornyCrow]

That will never happen.  The Constitution expressly forbids a state religion however it doesn't ban certain religious principles from our society.  Prayer has always been important even in the political sphere as has faith.  To exclude these principles from our schools, government and the like is not what the Founders had in mind with the 1st amendment.  I'm not very religious to be honest though I'm a Christian.  I see no threat.

A number of founders were deists.  They saw the danger of having any one religion influencing government.  Don't forget many fled the old country due to religious persecution.  If we open the door to religion in the system, we deal with encroaching Islam and Satanism and all in between.  Religion, to my way of thinking, should be personal.  It should be the thing that moves the heart and mind toward compassion and understanding and not the thing that preaches dogma and tells others what they can and cannot do.  How many parents pray or meditate with their children at home?

I think religion gets too many breaks as it is.  I think they should be taxed. 

[GravitySucks]

Most of the founding fathers weren't religious and that was the most educated age in history. Cite sources, because you are wrong... Unless you are hiding behind your own definition of what religious means. They quite frankly thought religion was going to be dead within 50 years because it was corrupt nonsense. Cite sourcesBut that's why we have these laws so I don't have to put up with your bullshit and you don't have to put up with mine.The constitution does not contain a single law. All laws have been written since the constitution was ratified.

Yeah prayer is allowed in school but they make them go stand out by the flagpole like a bunch of losers to do it. 
wrong, students can pray wherever they want in school.
So you're saying a guy not believing in miracles from God frightens you more than government imposed religion?
Jefferson's religious beliefs don't frighten me. At the same time, I do not put my faith in an individual, especially an individual that considers himself the sole authority of what should be in the bible.