Random Political Thoughts

[The King of Kings]

The best picture of an anti-gun nut

[Yorkshire pud]

Where exactly do I promote that everyone should be armed?

If you are referring to ending the no-gun policy at schools, um, what do believe was happening at these schools before these no gun policies were in place?  Show us where these no guns at school policies stopped mass shootings.

The no guns at school is a simplistic knee-jerk reaction.  Who is going to say no to that?  I challenge you to show me how that has stopped any shootings at schools though.

Are you seriously suggesting that a school, a place of learning is a safe and proper place to have firearms? But I'm game, I guess you're suggesting that if all school adults had access to firearms, mass shooting would be reduced maybe eliminated? Forgetting to take into account that any assassin has the element of surprise, motivation, probably an adrenalin rush, and no regard for anyone's safety, including his own?

And here we come to the same tired argument of the anti-gun crowd, wanting to believe the founding fathers couldn't have foresaw improvements in technology.  This argument is almost so banal, tired and fucking stupid it's not even worth arguing over, but I will.

You really think that the educated, cultural elite, who were able to create a new country, a new system of laws, a constitution that all subsequent constitutions were used as the basis of, wouldn't have the foresight to understand that there would be changes in the technological, cultural, and political systems, including weaponry and firearms?

Why should they? What do you believe the technological, cultural, and political landscape will be in say 2070? Or 2100? Or 2150? What's your best guess?

I honestly don't believe you believe that.

They created a Bill or Rights that is timeless, that could be passed down decades and centuries, and should remain unchanged regardless of the political landscape.

The most damning counter argument is, when they were creating the Bill of Rights, private citizens owned huge masses of firearms and assorted weaponry such as cannons.  Hell, they even had prototype multifiring "machine guns".  Private citizens actually owned the equivalent of modern day battleships, fully armed.

What I am saying is, the citizens back then comparatively were vastly more well armed than the citizens of today.  Even in that environment, of armed citizenry the Founding Fathers put the right to bear arms as the second most important amendment right after the freedom of speech and religion.

Lastly, have you been to the UK?

LOL, I live here!

The state literally punishes the home owner if a home invader/robber is injured during his crime.

No they don't..next.

  You can't buy spoons until you are 18 years old.

Oh you're on a roll... 

They have laws about the length of pencils and if they are longer than what the state deems safe they are considered weapons.

Jesus! where do you get this stuff from? Alex Jones?

  The state arrests and prosecutes people who call other people bad names on the internet.  A 14 year old girl was arrested by police because she was put into a group of students who didn't speak English, and she asked to be re-assigned to a group who spoke English.

It's a nightmare living in UK under such a repressive state.

You clearly haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about. Repressive? I'm 53 years old next birthday, not once have I heard one of our political leaders declare and push through Parliament a bill to have the power to arrest and detain someone without even telling them why they're being arrested, being denied thr right to legal representation, where they're being held, or even let their family know they've been arrested and then almost ironically call it the 'Patriot Act'! I bet the laughing when that was drawn up could be heard down the corridor...know anywhere where that might be? China? Russia? Certain African countries? Middle Eastern? Or maybe a bit closer to you?

Seriously, at what point do you believe the first amendment be rescinded, because the Founding Fathers, fuck they didn't know that cars were going to be made.

How many amendments do you actually know? One and two are frequently banded about as if they're the only ones worth knowing.

[Yorkshire pud]

The best picture of an anti-gun nut

You're a buffoon... , you're a funny one, but still a buffoon. 

[onan]

So what are you saying is, all those people who used firearms to protect themselves from being killed or assaulted, all those women who used firearms to prevent their own rape or murder, they are unstable.

That my friends is literally the actual belief of leftist cultural marxists.

Make no mistake, these liberal leftists actually believe using a firearm to prevent your own rape or your own murder or the rape or murder of a loved one, makes you yourself, the gun owner, unstable.

No I am not saying that. I made a broad statement. What I meant was that suicides, and criminal actions are unstable.

However:

Parsing 2012 numbers, the center counted 259 justifiable gun-related homicides, or incidents in which authorities ruled that killings occurred in self-defense.

That’s in a nation in which there are some 300 million firearms, nearly one for every person (though only a little over a third of Americans own guns â€" and there’s an interesting take on that here, and on the ramifications of gun ownership on murder rates here, and while you’re reading links, this is of interest, too). This is also a nation in which, in 2012, there were 1.2 million violent crimes, defined as murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault. Or, put another way, 1.2 million scenarios in which there was potential for someone to kill in self-defense.

Oh, and match those 259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals.


Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report. The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That’s a heavy price to pay.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html



My point was that if the rhetoric continues gun rights will dissolve.

[The King of Kings]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217504/Are-old-spoon-Woman-asked-ID-buying-teaspoons-Tesco.html
Can't buy spoons if you are under 18

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2316353/Now-CAN-bash-burglar--gardens-Law-allow-homeowners-defend-property-comes-force.html
I don't keep up too much with self-defense/home invasions laws in the UK, but it looks like in 2013, the state allowed UK citizens the ability to defend themselves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410150/Schoolgirl-arrested-refusing-study-non-English-pupils.html
14 year old girl arrested for trying to change groups in school to a group who spoke english

[The King of Kings]

You're a buffoon... , you're a funny one, but still a buffoon. 

Aren't you the country that allowed muslims to rape 1000 of toddlers because investigating would have been "racists"?

We all know Sweden for the biggest muslim cucks, but you have to admit the UK is a close second right?

[The King of Kings]

Good lord.  I was just scrolling through the UK Police Twitter.

Wow.  Literally 90% of the criminals who are raping and murdering actual(white) UK citizens are black/arab.

God damn how far you brits have fallen.

You were an empire once.  Powerful country, full of able bodied men full of vigor for life and ability.  Now it's a welfare state being overrun with third world barbarians, raping and killing you.

And you are like "oh yeah, that's fine, um let me spend my time on the internet telling  America how their country should be"

No thanks britcuck.

[Yorkshire pud]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217504/Are-old-spoon-Woman-asked-ID-buying-teaspoons-Tesco.html
Can't buy spoons if you are under 18

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2316353/Now-CAN-bash-burglar--gardens-Law-allow-homeowners-defend-property-comes-force.html
I don't keep up too much with self-defense/home invasions laws in the UK, but it looks like in 2013, the state allowed UK citizens the ability to defend themselves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410150/Schoolgirl-arrested-refusing-study-non-English-pupils.html
14 year old girl arrested for trying to change groups in school to a group who spoke english

Ahh the Daily Mail; the go to rag for all that is 'true'....Wild guess; which 'newspaper' do you think gets sued for libel more than any other in the UK? It also coincidentally has it's online version promoting by way of 'news' what could be politely known as 'taking an interest in pubescent  age girls' but couching it as public interest because said adolescents are the offspring of famous people.

[Yorkshire pud]

Good lord.  I was just scrolling through the UK Police Twitter.

Wow.  Literally 90% of the criminals who are raping and murdering actual(white) UK citizens are black/arab.

God damn how far you brits have fallen.

You were an empire once.  Powerful country, full of able bodied men full of vigor for life and ability.  Now it's a welfare state being overrun with third world barbarians, raping and killing you.

And you are like "oh yeah, that's fine, um let me spend my time on the internet telling  America how their country should be"

No thanks britcuck.

He he...keep going... 

[VtaGeezer]

The NRA is the fastest growing religion in America. 

[onan]

The NRA is the fastest growing religion in America. 

Since 1978, and growing.

[paladin1991]

Are you seriously suggesting that a school, a place of learning is a safe and proper place to have firearms? But I'm game, I guess you're suggesting that if all school adults had access to firearms, mass shooting would be reduced maybe eliminated? Forgetting to take into account that any assassin has the element of surprise, motivation, probably an adrenalin rush, and no regard for anyone's safety, including his own?

You just don't get it.  It has to be a cultural disconnect.  I know that you are not stupid.  If all adults had the choice to a firearm for self defense, enough adults would disavow the 'forced victim' existence and be prepared to defend themselves or others if shit should suddenly go bad.

You, I believe, have argued in the past that the 'untrained' shooter is as dangerous, if not more so, then the actual 'live shooter.'  Bull.  It's in our national character to be more independent than you Euros.   And a growing vocal group is saying that we would rather take our chances with armed civilians than wait for the rapid response of local law enforcement.  It's a looooong two minutes until that first unit shows up.  In the meantime, Joe shit the ragman is lining ppl up and shooting ppl based on their answers to questions of religion or Haji is shooting ppl based on their religion. 

I truly believe, that the worlds dismay and chagrin over armed American civilians is that they don't have that choice.  Hell, you guys can't carry knives or even use harsh language.  Europe has been emasculated since the days of ruling kings.   

[GravitySucks]

I hope even her supporters, if there are any, can see the irony in this:

[FightTheFuture]

It has to be a cultural disconnect.

Goes for the Canucks, too. Whenever my lady friend from Toronto is visiting, she gets as nervous as a clansman at an Ice Cube concert when it comes time to go out. Whether to the boardwalk for a stroll, or a night at the theater, I`m strappin` on the hog leg. The poor girl can`t even stand to look at it.

But, like I tell her, I`m not packin` just for my(our) protection. It`s for everyone around me(us). I wish more folks were as considerate and carry their heater.

[The King of Kings]

You just don't get it.  It has to be a cultural disconnect.  I know that you are not stupid.  If all adults had the choice to a firearm for self defense, enough adults would disavow the 'forced victim' existence and be prepared to defend themselves or others if shit should suddenly go bad.

You, I believe, have argued in the past that the 'untrained' shooter is as dangerous, if not more so, then the actual 'live shooter.'  Bull.  It's in our national character to be more independent than you Euros.   And a growing vocal group is saying that we would rather take our chances with armed civilians than wait for the rapid response of local law enforcement.  It's a looooong two minutes until that first unit shows up.  In the meantime, Joe shit the ragman is lining ppl up and shooting ppl based on their answers to questions of religion or Haji is shooting ppl based on their religion. 

I truly believe, that the worlds dismay and chagrin over armed American civilians is that they don't have that choice.  Hell, you guys can't carry knives or even use harsh language.  Europe has been emasculated since the days of ruling kings.

It's in their very nature.

These Europeans speak from the tradition and innate historical perspective of life long peasants.  When I say it is in their nature, I mean it's in their biology, passed down generation to generation.  A submissive lifestyle plowing the fields for the benefit of the ruling class.

Is it any surprise they have no desire, or willpower for a free existence?

They are comfortable with the state ruling over them.  Make no mistake, they aren't governed, they are ruled.  The average brit is comfortable with that arraignment.

[The King of Kings]

Another rape from these animal third world dogs.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/man-violently-raped-young-woman-10707175#ICID=FB-Liv-main

Mebrehtom Abrha violently rapes virgin white woman.

Britcucks blame themselves.

[VtaGeezer]

An American ISIS fan tried to kill Philly cop in his patrol car last night.  The cop took three slugs but got out, chased the loser down and put one in the shooters ass.  The shooter was on probation for firearms and assault charges, and due in court next week on a forgery charge.  Sounds like a deeply religious guy, eh? I'd bet he's an ex-con who was Islamized in prison.

My random thought is that Islam is a corruption of religion and a cancer on humanity.  It should be not receive the same legal and cultural protections of other mainstream faiths.  And I utterly reject hollow arguments about Christian behavior being as bad in centuries long past.  It won't be long before some zealot Pak General decides that the Caliphate is real and needs a few of his nukes.

[Yorkshire pud]

It's in their very nature.

These Europeans speak from the tradition and innate historical perspective of life long peasants.  When I say it is in their nature, I mean it's in their biology, passed down generation to generation.  A submissive lifestyle plowing the fields for the benefit of the ruling class.

Is it any surprise they have no desire, or willpower for a free existence?

They are comfortable with the state ruling over them.  Make no mistake, they aren't governed, they are ruled.  The average brit is comfortable with that arraignment.

Top tip;; Please please don't believe what you think. It makes you look an even bigger buffoon than you need to appear.

[Juan]

You are ruled by Germans, aren't you?

[albrecht]

Another rape from these animal third world dogs.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/man-violently-raped-young-woman-10707175#ICID=FB-Liv-main

Mebrehtom Abrha violently rapes virgin white woman.

Britcucks blame themselves.

"The judge said he needed to consider whether Abrha was a dangerous offender and it would be “unwise to proceed” without a pre-sentence report."

I know this is pro-forma and we have limp-wristed judges here also but, come on, Judge: he just raped a girl, twice, (or at least accused of doing so) you don't reckon that is a "danger?"

[PING]

And a growing vocal group is saying that we would rather take our chances with armed civilians than wait for the rapid response of local law enforcement.  It's a looooong two minutes until that first unit shows up.  In the meantime, Joe shit the ragman is lining ppl up and shooting ppl based on their answers to questions of religion or Haji is shooting ppl based on their religion.

I mean this as no disrespect to any current/former police officers but this phrase is why people want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights:

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...

[CornyCrow]

Look, it is really simple. Lots of people want to own guns, the only reason that matters is it is constitutionally legal to do so.

It is also really simple that lots of people are concerned about gun deaths. Especially when a gun is the only element, that if removed, would have changed the outcome.

If the rhetoric continues to be people are stupid, it will eventually be the downfall of gun ownership, not tomorrow, but eventually.

The NRA has to, if not change their position, augment that position to demonstrate that gun owners are not unstable. The other side is making that argument. And it is hard to deny that at least ~30,000/year gun users are unstable. Other language being used to denigrate gun owners is the concept that many live in a fantasy land. And honestly that position does have some validity.

But the problem is that the US pubic health - public mental institutions - are almost non existent.  There are no facilities in which to drug up and warehouse miscreants, so they are allowed to wander the streets with the hope that they will take their meds regularly. 

Some are captured and this is one of the reasons why our prisons are so full.  Mentally ill people are warehoused there. 

[CornyCrow]

Ahh the Daily Mail; the go to rag for all that is 'true'....Wild guess; which 'newspaper' do you think gets sued for libel more than any other in the UK? It also coincidentally has it's online version promoting by way of 'news' what could be politely known as 'taking an interest in pubescent  age girls' but couching it as public interest because said adolescents are the offspring of famous people.

It may be just my observation but the DM and BBC seem to carry some US news before the US papers do.  THat rape by the new Muslim refugees of the women of Cologne was carried by Brit papers before the US. 

[GravitySucks]

It may be just my observation but the DM and BBC seem to carry some US news before the US papers do.  THat rape by the new Muslim refugees of the women of Cologne was carried by Brit papers before the US.

The sun does rise there first.

[CornyCrow]

An American ISIS fan tried to kill Philly cop in his patrol car last night.  The cop took three slugs but got out, chased the loser down and put one in the shooters ass.  The shooter was on probation for firearms and assault charges, and due in court next week on a forgery charge.  Sounds like a deeply religious guy, eh? I'd bet he's an ex-con who was Islamized in prison.

My random thought is that Islam is a corruption of religion and a cancer on humanity.  It should be not receive the same legal and cultural protections of other mainstream faiths.  And I utterly reject hollow arguments about Christian behavior being as bad in centuries long past.  It won't be long before some zealot Pak General decides that the Caliphate is real and needs a few of his nukes.

That perp had been arrested 30 times in the past.  What's wrong with our criminal justice system that this guy was still out among the public?

[CornyCrow]

I am a big advocate of fingerprint guns.  They can be kept loaded by the door or bedside with no problem with a home invader using it against you or some schoolkid firing it by accident. 

I think there should be a mental health and incarceration check, a good one, and only those who present a danger to others should be denied a gun.  Maybe I've lead a sheltered life, but I no of no one in my neighborhoods or acquaintances who should be denied a gun but for the ones who have mental problems and those have already been through some sort of counseling and have a record of their problems. 

I agree that the majority of killings (that are not suicides) are gang or drug related.  I don't know what to do about young men (and increasingly women) in rough neighborhoods making such choices, but a lot of it has to do with bad parenting.  We have third generation gang memberships in some families.  How do you turn a kid's life around when he's never had a good home life?

[albrecht]

That perp had been arrested 30 times in the past.  What's wrong with our criminal justice system that this guy was still out among the public?

Also, this black Muslim dude who shot the Philly cop used a gun stolen from the police. The illegal, facing his 6th deportation hearing but released before it, who shot and killed Kate Steinle last year in San Francisco used a gun "that was a Federal agent's," presumably stolen.  I also see stories all the time about a TSA officer or police officer or SS officer that leaves a gun in bathroom, leaves his car unlocked and weapons stolen, and so on. Maybe the government should start thinking about securing their arms better before Obama cries and wants to grab guns from citizens? Or maybe we don't release violent felons and illegals onto the street so they can't commit mayhem?

[Walks_At_Night]

I am a big advocate of fingerprint guns.  They can be kept loaded by the door or bedside with no problem with a home invader using it against you or some schoolkid firing it by accident. 

I think there should be a mental health and incarceration check, a good one, and only those who present a danger to others should be denied a gun.  Maybe I've lead a sheltered life, but I no of no one in my neighborhoods or acquaintances who should be denied a gun but for the ones who have mental problems and those have already been through some sort of counseling and have a record of their problems. 

I agree that the majority of killings (that are not suicides) are gang or drug related.  I don't know what to do about young men (and increasingly women) in rough neighborhoods making such choices, but a lot of it has to do with bad parenting.  We have third generation gang memberships in some families.  How do you turn a kid's life around when he's never had a good home life?

http://www.history.com/topics/civilian-conservation-corps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps

Worked for my Dad anyway...................

[albrecht]

http://www.history.com/topics/civilian-conservation-corps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps

Worked for my Dad anyway...................

And though I hate our apparent constant war policy offering first offenders of low-level/gate-way crimes (not hardcore psychos or real criminals) to join up in the military instead of prison? (Though it could be argued, ala French Foreign Legion there would be a place for those 'harder types' also possibly.)
CCC is a good idea but I wonder how much would actually do the work? There are lots of things we need doing- like forest service stuff to prevent all these wildfires, also.

[Walks_At_Night]

The way Dad told it if a kid was less than enthusiastic about doing his work for the day, some big mother from the Army Reserve [who didn't want to be there at all] would beat the snot out  of the shirker.   Then the offender didn't get any grub for dinner.   Since they were in an isolated area - in Dad's case he was here:



running away wasn't an option.   So they didn't have a great deal of problems of guys not working.............

Guess that wouldn't fly in this day and age.