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Quote from: GravitySucks on February 23, 2016, 08:08:40 AM
Looks like our Candian friends have similar issues with their politicians.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/trudeau-drops-campaign-promises-and-goes-all-in-with-deficits

I'm sure Darth Sandra doesn't mind. She just wants to swap spit with him.

Marco is also skipping C-PAC on March 2/3.  He is definitely staying away from true conservatives.  He won't go on Levin, go to CPAC or go to the CR convention.   Guess he can't stand the heat.

Jackstar

I think it's kind of groovy that we're all talking about this book



more than we were in the year 1984. Although of course, less people have actually read it.

albrecht

Quote from: Jackstar on February 23, 2016, 01:35:21 PM
I think it's kind of groovy that we're all talking about this book



more than we were in the year 1984. Although of course, less people have actually read it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Remember this? So ironic. This is my major concern with 'clouds' and 'e-readers' that are connected to the internet. One could imagine someday a company, or the government, deleting your stuff or editing the content of books for their own purposes. Sure electronic is stuff is great for cheapness and disseminating information but at least with a 'hard copy' it can be hidden, sold/given anonymously, and ensured no deletion or editing after the fact.

Jackstar

I do remember that, and I assumed then, as I do now, that it was performed as a social experiment.

onan

Quote from: albrecht on February 23, 2016, 01:41:09 PM
Sure electronic is stuff is great for cheapness and disseminating information but at least with a 'hard copy' it can be hidden, sold/given anonymously, and ensured no deletion or editing after the fact.

Have you ever been in a Walmart?

albrecht

Quote from: onan on February 23, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
Have you ever been in a Walmart?
I have been and it can be an amazing experience. Last time a random older, slightly crazy-looking woman accosted me, I stopped, and she said "thank you for your service." I have never was in the military and was not wearing anything remotely looking militarized or uniformed. I also didn't help her with anything and she wasn't a Walmart employee. Bizarre, but what is your point?

onan

Quote from: albrecht on February 23, 2016, 02:38:48 PM
I have been and it can be an amazing experience. Last time a random older, slightly crazy-looking woman accosted me, I stopped, and she said "thank you for your service." I have never was in the military and was not wearing anything remotely looking militarized or uniformed. I also didn't help her with anything and she wasn't a Walmart employee. Bizarre, but what is your point?

Walmart through purchasing power forces many publishers to change text in popular books. So do other agencies. My point was a snarky response to your belief that hard copies can't be manipulated.

albrecht

Quote from: onan on February 23, 2016, 02:44:44 PM
Walmart through purchasing power forces many publishers to change text in popular books. So do other agencies. My point was a snarky response to your belief that hard copies can't be manipulated.
What are you talking about? Some Walmart greeter is going to come into my house and start editing my books? Of course books are they are being published can be edited. (I'll cue you in on a big secret- there even people called "editors," though admittedly it seems less and less of them if one reads things like online newspapers.) And same with censorship. Of course it can, and is, done. But again harder to do AFTER the book is in a person's possession. To use another of your examples there always is a huge controversy when Texas decides on a textbook. Because other States often don't have enough purchasing power to influence things.
My point is the ELECTRONIC books and cloud connectivity makes it possible for someone (corporation or government in theory) able to access, delete, or change a book. Could be positive (update with new information, save costs, save trees, etc but there are potential negatives, as I mentioned. It happens to hard-copies also, to wit look at the various seizures and book burnings of the past (or today in Muslim lands) but even then some copies can survive by being hidden. One could do similar with E-books (hide your reader, disable the WiFi/4g, put stuff on non-rewriteable disks, etc though, in some cases, this could be illegal and breaking some license.) Plus I like the feel of paper.  ;)

onan

Quote from: albrecht on February 23, 2016, 02:52:29 PM
What are you talking about? Some Walmart greeter is going to come into my house and start editing my books? Of course books are they are being published can be edited. (I'll cue you in on a big secret- there even people called "editors," though admittedly it seems less and less of them if one reads things like online newspapers.) And same with censorship. Of course it can, and is, done. But again harder to do AFTER the book is in a person's possession. To use another of your examples there always is a huge controversy when Texas decides on a textbook. Because other States often don't have enough purchasing power to influence things.
My point is the ELECTRONIC books and cloud connectivity makes it possible for someone (corporation or government in theory) able to access, delete, or change a book. Could be positive (update with new information, save costs, save trees, etc but there are potential negatives, as I mentioned. It happens to hard-copies also, to wit look at the various seizures and book burnings of the past (or today in Muslim lands) but even then some copies can survive by being hidden. One could do similar with E-books (hide your reader, disable the WiFi/4g, put stuff on non-rewriteable disks, etc though, in some cases, this could be illegal and breaking some license.) Plus I like the feel of paper.  ;)

Lighten up, frodo.


albrecht

Quote from: onan on February 23, 2016, 03:02:08 PM
Lighten up, frodo.
I'm disappointed in you. "Lighten up, Francis," as said by the great Warren Oates, is better.

ItsOver

Quote from: Jackstar on February 23, 2016, 01:35:21 PM
I think it's kind of groovy that we're all talking about this book



more than we were in the year 1984. Although of course, less people have actually read it.
Too bad most people didn't read it and take it as as warning.  I usually get a blank look if I mention it to someone these days.  Instead, you have some people who read it and appear to be using it as a playbook.

onan

Quote from: albrecht on February 23, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
I'm disappointed in you. "Lighten up, Francis," as said by the great Warren Oates, is better.

I'm winding down.

ItsOver

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 23, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
Marco is also skipping C-PAC on March 2/3.  He is definitely staying away from true conservatives.  He won't go on Levin, go to CPAC or go to the CR convention.   Guess he can't stand the heat.
Interesting.  Didn't he used to go on Levin?  Limbaugh has been still kind of defending him but his audience response has been to a large degree quite critical.

Quote from: ItsOver on February 23, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
Interesting.  Didn't he used to go on Levin?  Limbaugh has been still kind of defending him but his audience response has been to a large degree quite critical.
When he ran for the Senate, he used Levin.  Levin has asked him repeatedly to come on his show during this Presidential race but Marco says no.  Now Levin is on the warpath against him mainly because Marco is one big hypocrite and, dare I say it, liar.


ItsOver

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 23, 2016, 03:25:53 PM
When he ran for the Senate, he used Levin.  Levin has asked him repeatedly to come on his show during this Presidential race but Marco says no.  Now Levin is on the warpath against him mainly because Marco is one big hypocrite and, dare I say it, liar.
Thanks.  I haven't listened to Levin in awhile.  It's just a question of who has a stroke on the air first.  Levin or Savage.

Quote from: ItsOver on February 23, 2016, 03:32:12 PM
Thanks.  I haven't listened to Levin in awhile.  It's just a question of who has a stroke on the air first.  Levin or Savage.

LOL

ge30542

I watched this morning, the 2 hour HBO doc on James Wright Foley. The free-lance journalist who was beheaded by the JV Team ISIS.
Highly, highly recommend it.

ge30542

Quote from: ItsOver on February 23, 2016, 03:32:12 PM
Thanks.  I haven't listened to Levin in awhile.  It's just a question of who has a stroke on the air first.  Levin or Savage.
I listen to, and like both. I think the odds are better of Levin stroking out on air.
The guy's constantly out of breath, weasing, coughing, forgetting to hit the mute button when he runs out of breath and coughs.

ge30542

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 23, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
Marco is also skipping C-PAC on March 2/3.  He is definitely staying away from true conservatives.  He won't go on Levin, go to CPAC or go to the CR convention.   Guess he can't stand the heat.
Yea, he's the next rino that Rupert Murdoch is gonna shove down our throats.

Jackstar

Quote from: ge30542 on February 23, 2016, 04:23:29 PM
I watched this morning, the 2 hour HBO doc on James Wright Foley. The free-lance journalist who was beheaded by the JV Team ISIS.
Highly, highly recommend it.



Marco has apparently changed his mind about C-PAC and will attend after all.  A calculated move to keep the conservatives that support him in his camp.

Rubio is now preparing a contested convention to stop Trump.

Wow, I really can't believe how fucking stupid Republicans and Rubio are.

Just the very notion of Rubio preparing to do that will only strength Trump and his message and Trump supporters resolve.

How do the Republicans expect to win the general election if they upset this ground swell of support for Trump if they try to usurp the voters choice?

the_Stranger

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 25, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
O'Keefe does it again...

http://youtu.be/p7kPtWAzvU4

It's tough for me to sit through the Project Veritas stuff. The videos are usually way too long and don't have the payoff of a Vic Berger joint.
Plus, O'Keefe has that smarm face a la Ted Cruz, Martin Shkreli, et al.


the_Stranger

Finally a candidate that gets me.


Trump was battered tonight.  Will he lose support?  My gut says no though I wish he would.  Rubio was very aggressive but I thought he looked weak in a couple of instances. Cruz was also aggressive but not as much as Rubio.  What irritated me the most was Wolf Blitzer.  He was a lousy moderator.  Several times, he let the debate get out of control during Cruz's allotted time, Trump and Rubio would butt in and finally when things quieted down and Cruz was trying to make his point,  Wolf cut him off.  CNN's Chris Cuomo literally sucked up to Trump right after the debate.  I do think Rubio might have increased his support though he is still not going to win any state.  I think Cruz still wins Texas but that could change.



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