President Donald J. Trump

[21st Century Man]

I read your update now. A good president will know how to handle Putin's ambitions and contain them, short of war. In Europe and the Middle East, particularly. We've had several competent ones as far as that goes since World War II, for the most part.

Hillary will never be a good President.  She has temper issues and has proven herself to be incompetent.  Witness this latest carelessness.

" Huma, you did erase all those emails from your husbands laptop, right?"

Donald may not be a good president either but I'll give him half a chance.  Frankly though, we need a Reagan right now.

[Lt.Uhura]

Donald Trump, I have never seen a luckier son of a bitch in my life. His election seems as if it's being influenced by a higher power considering how improbable and just stupid lucky he's been.

Let me get this straight:  You're implying that Trump can pull off a win from being lucky?  Haha, good luck with that!  It's going to take a lot more than luck to get Trump in the White House.  Like perhaps convincing American voters he's the right man for the job.  That hasn't happened yet, and he's run out of time. 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Let me get this straight:  You're implying that Trump can pull off a win from being lucky?  Haha, good luck with that!  It's going to take a lot more than luck to get Trump in the White House.  Like perhaps convincing American voters he's the right man for the job.  That hasn't happened yet, and he's run out of time.

Well that's one smug delusional woman's opinion.

[Lt.Uhura]

Here's some Trump supporters 

http://www.vocativ.com/371124/witches-for-trump/

[21st Century Man]

Let me get this straight:  You're implying that Trump can pull off a win from being lucky?  Haha, good luck with that!  It's going to take a lot more than luck to get Trump in the White House.  Like perhaps convincing American voters he's the right man for the job.  That hasn't happened yet, and he's run out of time.

You're setting yourself up for a miserable 11/9.  Anything can happen now.  Hillary may very well pull it off but it is much more uncertain now.  Her campaign is in terrible trouble.  The truly undecided are going to break for Trump now more than Hillary.  I like you, Uhura, but you need to take a bit more of a balanced view.   I don't know what circles you travel in outside Bellgab but don't let groupthink influence you.  We all gravitate towards people we agree with and they back up our perspectives.  That is not necessarily a good thing because we close ourselves off to diverse thought.  The thing is there is basically a 30/40/30 split in this country and anything can happen.

[21st Century Man]

Here's some Trump supporters 

http://www.vocativ.com/371124/witches-for-trump/

You're forgetting Heather's one of them.

[21st Century Man]

Uhura, I direct you to the polls from 1980.  Reagan looked certain to lose leading up to the election and the polls could not have been further from the truth.  Sure they tightened up right on the eve of the election but up until that point they showed Carter with a substantial lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections

[Lt.Uhura]

You're setting yourself up for a miserable 11/9.  Anything can happen now.  Hillary may very well pull it off but it is much more uncertain now.  Her campaign is in terrible trouble.  The truly undecided are going to break for Trump now more than Hillary.  I like you, Uhura, but you need to take a bit more of a balanced view.   I don't know what circles you travel in outside Bellgab but don't let groupthink influence you.  We all gravitate towards people we agree with and they back up our perspectives.  That is not necessarily a good thing because we close ourselves off to diverse thought.  The thing is there is basically a 30/40/30 split in this country and anything can happen.

Funny you should say I need a more balanced view.  I find Trump supporters to be consistently defensive and narrow-minded, willing to overlook that their candidate is so obviously unfit to be POTUS.  I don't like Hillary either, so your "groupthink" theory doesn't apply to me. Regardless of HRC's flaws, as I said, Trump has failed to convince American voters that he is worthy of becoming President of The United States.  Considering his campaign began as little more than a joke, it's not surprising.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Funny you should say I need a more balanced view.  I find Trump supporters to be consistently defensive and narrow-minded, willing to overlook that their candidate is so obviously unfit to be POTUS.  I don't like Hillary either, so your "groupthink" theory doesn't apply to me. As I said, regardless of the flaws in his running mate, Trump has failed to convince American voters that he is worthy of becoming President of The United States.  Considering his campaign began as little more than a joke, it's not surprising.

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

[21st Century Man]

Funny you should say I need a more balanced view.  I find Trump supporters to be consistently defensive and narrow-minded, willing to overlook that their candidate is so obviously unfit to be POTUS.  I don't like Hillary either, so your "groupthink" theory doesn't apply to me. Regardless of the flaws in his running mate, as I said, Trump has failed to convince American voters that he is worthy of becoming President of The United States.  Considering his campaign began as little more than a joke, it's not surprising.

You seem to think Hillary can't lose.  I'm telling you she very well might.  I am not saying Trump will win but he stands a better chance now.  The fact that you can't see that leads me to believe you are closing out other perspectives.  Don't be offended.  I'm not trying to insult you.  I'm just trying to prepare you for 11/9 should you be wrong.

[Gyoza Girl]

If the Russians had wanted to sway the elections using hacked emails we would have seen all of the deleted ones by now.

They very well may have them, but they are more valuable to them if she gets elected and can then use them as leverage.

Bill Clinton used the same server. If they have hers, imagine what they have of his.

I'm actually for Hillary. But I wouldn't mind getting a peek at Donald's emails.

[Lt.Uhura]

You seem to think Hillary can't lose.  I'm telling you she very well might.  I am not saying Trump will win but he stands a better chance now.  The fact that you can't see that leads me to believe you are closing out other perspectives.  Don't be offended.  I'm not trying to insult you.  I'm just trying to prepare you for 11/9 should you be wrong.

Thanks for the concern, but I don't see a majority of critical-thinking American voters watching the news and saying, "Oh...ok, I think I'll vote for Trump then." lol!

[Lt.Uhura]

I'm actually for Hillary. But I wouldn't mind getting a peek at Donald's emails.

Probably not much to see in Trump's emails: Dirty jokes, "locker-room talk", etc..

[Value Of Pi]

Thanks for the concern, but I don't see a majority of critical-thinking American voters watching the news and saying, "Oh...ok, I think I'll vote for Trump then." lol!

What they *are* probably thinking is, what is going on with the FBI sending this letter ten days before the election? They (or at least, Comey) knew that this action could have some effect on the results and it's getting way out of their lane to be messing with the political process, no matter how good their/his intentions might be.

At this point, what the FBI has done is a bigger story to most thinking people than what might perhaps, possibly be in those emails. But we'll see what twist or turn comes next.

[Lt.Uhura]

What they *are* probably thinking is, what is going on with the FBI sending this letter ten days before the election? They (or at least, Comey) knew that this action could have some effect on the results and it's getting way out of their lane to be messing with the political process, no matter how good their/his intentions might be.

At this point, what the FBI has done is a bigger story to most thinking people than what might perhaps, possibly be in those emails. But we'll see what twist or turn comes next.

After this bitter, protracted campaign I think most of us are suffering from media fatigue.  Add to that a short attention span, and the daily headlines make little impact.  Even Art Bell did a high drama "Breaking News!" on his FB page yesterday and I didn't even bother to read it.  Meh.

[Value Of Pi]

After this bitter, protracted campaign I think most of us are suffering from media fatigue.  Add to that a short attention span, and the daily headlines make little impact.  Even Art Bell did a high drama "Breaking News!" on his FB page yesterday and I didn't even bother to read it.  Meh.

Yes, people are worn out and it would take a pretty big event to break through and have much impact. This letter isn't it. But I still find it interesting. I've tried to pace myself so that I can pay attention without getting too exhausted.

[GravitySucks]

Yes, people are worn out and it would take a pretty big event to break through and have much impact. This letter isn't it. But I still find it interesting. I've tried to pace myself so that I can pay alttention without getting too exhausted.

[=Schlyder=]

LOL should be ..      "like a jar of pickles?"

[Gyoza Girl]

Probably not much to see in Trump's emails: Dirty jokes, "locker-room talk", etc..

Yep. Considering the kinds of things Trump says in broad daylight, one can imagine what he says in his private emails!

[CornyCrow]

That would make Kim jong un blush! Vote for whoever you like, as long as you vote for Trump!

Fortunately, no-one will draw comparisons with Muslims not allowing women to take high office, and the unfairness and primitive thinking of that. Phew!

I thought 21st century was a red letter Christian, preferring to follow the teachings attributed directly to Jesus rather than those of that mysogynist nut-case, Paul.

[CornyCrow]

Another bankruptcy in 3 years or less.

People living in some Trump buildings are circulating petitions to rename their buildings because the Trump brand is ruined.

Trump is funneling campaign contributions into his business ventures, charging for space used in his buildings for the election.

http://time.com/money/4438779/donald-trump-brand-foot-traffic-foursquare/

'. . . Trump SoHo, Trump International Hotel & Tower Chicago, and the failing Trump Taj Mahal, which is “losing multimillions a month,” according to its CEO Tony Rodio.'

[136 or 142]

Uhura, I direct you to the polls from 1980.  Reagan looked certain to lose leading up to the election and the polls could not have been further from the truth.  Sure they tightened up right on the eve of the election but up until that point they showed Carter with a substantial lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections

The polls you linked to there don't even back up your claim.

The election was close up until the final week but Reagan was generally thought to have a fairly comfortable lead in the electoral college in the case of a roughly tied popular vote.

President Carter's unfavorable/disapproval ratings indicated a landslide loss for him in the election but doubts about Reagan kept the election close.

What swung the results to Reagan decisively in the final week was certainly one thing and possibly two things:

1.The election day was held on the exact one year anniversary of the Iranian Hostage Crisis (November 4).  There were a number of news programs, led by Nightline, that extensively recapped the Crisis and President Carter's less than stellar response to it in the days leading up to the election.  There is a Life Magazine Article written by former Carter Press Secretary Hamilton Jordan in which he writes something like "When I saw the Nightline program, I knew we were going to lose the election and that it likely wouldn't be close."

2.Other than Hamilton Jordan, I've never seen anybody claim that as a reason Carter lost.  The general explanation for the late swing in the polls is that the lone Presidential debate was held one week before the election and Ronald Reagan did not come across as the simple minded warmonger that the Carter campaign made him out to be.  When the perception does not match the reality, that can cause a large number of people to rethink their views, and this led from the polls just prior to the debate being roughly a tie to the roughly 10% win that Reagan achieved in the actual vote.  This was especially the case here as the late polls on the wiki you linked to had President Carter at around 45% support versus Reagan whereas his approval ratings were somewhere in the low to mid 30s.  So, after the debate, a lot of people who disapproved of Carter but were unsure of Reagan felt much more comfortable giving Reagan their vote.

It should also be pointed out that this idea that Ronald Reagan was always extremely popular with the American public is not true either.  Due to the deep recession of 1982/1983, as late as the Spring or Summer of 1983 President Reagan's approval ratings dropped to as low as 36%. It was only around one year later with the economy in much better shape that the myth of Saint Ronnie started to form.

[Juan]

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Trump is funneling campaign contributions into his business ventures, charging for space used in his buildings for the election.

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Federal campaign finance laws require the campaign to pay fair market value for services.  I really don't understand why anti-Trump people have so much trouble accepting the results of laws they favor.

[SredniVashtar]

SV,..slowly I'm loosing respect for you

Where's the razor? I'm going to start cutting myself.

[SredniVashtar]

Threatening military force in response to cyber attacks is irresponsible.

You could argue that, or you could argue that saber-rattling is appropriate with someone like Putin, as it's the only language he will understand. Those kinds of creeping intrusions into national security will only get more serious as time goes on, and if you establish a precedent that you are going to ignore it it will look like weakness and just get worse. Given the potential damage cyber attacks could cause I don't think there is anything more serious, and it's a far broader question than simply leaking confidential emails. Sometimes you have to stand up to a bully, and buying short-term security at the price of appeasement does not necessarily mean things will work out for you in the long term.

[CornyCrow]

[quote author=Segundus link=topic=2284.msg940637#msg940637 date=1477741918

Trump is funneling campaign contributions into his business ventures, charging for space used in his buildings for the election.


Federal campaign finance laws require the campaign to pay fair market value for services.  I really don't understand why anti-Trump people have so much trouble accepting the results of laws they favor.

I suppose we're just not used to a candidate using his campaign to enrich his own coffers.  Everything about Trump is about bringing in more cash to the family.  That's why he will not put his holdings in a blind trust nor will he divulge info on his tax forms.  He cares not for the appearance of conflict of interests.  His only value system is what benefits him.  I don't think he gives a hoot about this country or his people.  This is why he's so fond of the poorly educated.  They don't see the writing on the wall when it comes to finances. 

[136 or 142]

Iowa Woman Charged with Voting Twice

October 29, 2016By Taegan Goddard0 Comments
An Iowa woman has been charged with a felony after allegedly voting twice for Donald Trump, Iowa Public Radio reports.

Terri Rote says she was afraid her first ballot would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton: “I wasn’t planning on doing it twice, it was spur of the moment. The polls are rigged.”

LOCK HER UP!

[Dr. MD MD]

You could argue that, or you could argue that saber-rattling is appropriate with someone like Putin, as it's the only language he will understand. Those kinds of creeping intrusions into national security will only get more serious as time goes on, and if you establish a precedent that you are going to ignore it it will look like weakness and just get worse. Given the potential damage cyber attacks could cause I don't think there is anything more serious, and it's a far broader question than simply leaking confidential emails. Sometimes you have to stand up to a bully, and buying short-term security at the price of appeasement does not necessarily mean things will work out for you in the long term.

You guys should fight him then. Maybe you don't want to because of the 10:1 military superiority they have over you or maybe you're just a nation of spineless, sycophantic royalty worshipers. Dunno. Don't care.

[GravitySucks]

Iowa Woman Charged with Voting Twice

October 29, 2016By Taegan Goddard0 Comments
An Iowa woman has been charged with a felony after allegedly voting twice for Donald Trump, Iowa Public Radio reports.

Terri Rote says she was afraid her first ballot would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton: “I wasn’t planning on doing it twice, it was spur of the moment. The polls are rigged.”

LOCK HER UP!

So much for secret ballots. Damn. Took one for the team.

#MAGA

[chefist]

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