President Donald J. Trump

[CornyCrow]

You can't always tell by appearances who might be a fan of the Bible or if they are full of it.  I once knew a guy who was the biggest horn dog and with the filthiest mouth, but always carried a Bible under his arm.  Or Bible scholars like Bart Ehrman who are actually atheists.

Often that happens to people who study the history of the books in the bible.  I know a guy who was a sincere fundamentalist pastor who started that study which ended up making an atheist of him.  He was a very bitter and disillusioned man after finding out the 'clay feet' of the path that he had been so earnestly leading others down for so long.  He had been a hypocrite and liar for so much of his life.

[Dr. MD MD]

Hmmm, but Clinton doesn't have public displays of fondling with her daughter the way Trump does with his. You're okay with him being doing that though? I'm pretty sure if Clinton had a son and did similar, you'd be over it like a rash.

Hmmm...Well, I'd really rather him fondle your daughter but...umm...why are we talking about this again?! 

Oh yeah! Another classic pud deflection. I think your candidate of choice may be running low on baby placenta now. It may be time to send out the lizard clones again. 

[FightTheFuture]

You can't always tell by appearances who might be a fan of the Bible or if they are full of it.  I once knew a guy who was the biggest horn dog and with the filthiest mouth, but always carried a Bible under his arm.  Or Bible scholars like Bart Ehrman who are actually atheists.

Bart is one of the truly great scholars in his field. simply brilliant. As decent a chap as you`ll ever meet, as well.

He was a Christian for many years as a young man, but became doubtful as he continued his education into post-grad work. I`ve listened to him speak a number of times. Where he really stumbles is when he attempts to reconcile the numerous sightings of Jesus after he is crucified. Bart`s explanation is....mass hallucination due to intense sorrow. Hard to buy that one.

[Yorkshire pud]

Hmmm...Well, I'd really rather him fondle your daughter but...umm...why are we talking about this again?! 

Oh yeah! Another classic pud deflection. I think your candidate of choice may be running low on baby placenta now. It may be time to send out the lizard clones again. 

I don't have a candidate of choice, you silly boy.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Sad to see this thread has degenerated into incoherence over the last two pages.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

LA Times poll.

[chefist]

Sad to see this thread has degenerated into incoherence over the last two pages.

I'm partly to blame...sorry... I like your poll above. I think more come out either today or tomorrow.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I'm partly to blame...sorry... I like your poll above. I think more come out either today or tomorrow.

I don't care bro.  Make silly faces at each other all you want.

[Donald Noory]

When Trump saw less-attractive women working at his club, according to court records, he wanted them fired.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-trump-women/

[Donald Noory]

I'm partly to blame...sorry... I like your poll above. I think more come out either today or tomorrow.

[starrmtn001]

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Bedford, NH 9/29/16 (RSB Cameras).

https://youtu.be/0-OxxRl_tj8

[136 or 142]

Yeah, you're probably right. There's nothing pathological about Hillary's lying....much. :

You could likely make a 13 minute video of Trump lying every single day.  At most every single week.

[136 or 142]

LA Times poll.

Obviously it's impossible to say if the L.A Times poll is right or wrong, but they use an absolutely bizarre methodology.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html
Finally, some analysts think the Daybreak poll is slightly tilted toward the Republican side because of how it accounts for the way people voted in the last election.

All pollsters weight their results somewhat to make sure their samples match known demographics â€" the right proportions of men and women, for example, or blacks, whites and Latinos.

The Daybreak poll goes a step further and weights the sample to account for how people say they voted in 2012: It’s set so that 25% of the sample are voters who say they cast a ballot for Mitt Romney and 27% for President Obama. The rest are either too young to have voted four years ago or say they didn’t vote.

The potential problem is that people tend to fib about how they voted. Polls have often found that the percentage of people who say after an election that they voted for the winner exceeds the winner’s actual vote.

If that’s the case this year, then weighting for the vote history would result in slightly too many Republican voters in the sample, which would probably boost Trump’s standing by a point or two.

Unfortunately, there’s no way to know for sure until we can compare the final vote to the poll’s final forecast. Given how long it takes to count all the votes, that answer won’t be available until at least a week after election day.

I'd say it's more than 'slightly.'  But, we won't find out until the actual election.  Unless Trump has rigged that.

[SciFiAuthor]

Bart is one of the truly great scholars in his field. simply brilliant. As decent a chap as you`ll ever meet, as well.

He was a Christian for many years as a young man, but became doubtful as he continued his education into post-grad work. I`ve listened to him speak a number of times. Where he really stumbles is when he attempts to reconcile the numerous sightings of Jesus after he is crucified. Bart`s explanation is....mass hallucination due to intense sorrow. Hard to buy that one.

I always wondered why he didn't just appear and scare the bejeezus out of Caesar. The savings as far as martyrdom would have been substantial, and the spread of the religion much easier.

[136 or 142]

Dumbald Trump clearly has showed an ability at marketing and promotion. I'm beginning to think, however, that he's an idiot savant like Dr Ben Carson seemed to be.

[Value Of Pi]

Dumbald Trump clearly has showed an ability at marketing and promotion. I'm beginning to think, however, that he's an idiot savant like Dr Ben Carson seemed to be.

It's going to be much harder now for any non-Trump supporter to consider booking into any of Trump's facilities, buying any of his products or doing business with him. This is as thorough a job of negative branding as anyone could imagine, all thanks to Trump's performance on the campaign trail.

If this were a public company, its quarterly freports would be a real downer, I'm sure. But those numbers are as safely hidden as his tax returns. We'll know the story when his empire starts visibly crumbling, à la Trump casinos in Atlantic City.

[136 or 142]

It's going to be much harder now for any non-Trump supporter to consider booking into any of Trump's facilities, buying any of his products or doing business with him. This is as thorough a job of negative branding as anyone could imagine, all thanks to Trump's performance on the campaign trail.

If this were a public company, its quarterly freports would be a real downer, I'm sure. But those numbers are as safely hidden as his tax returns. We'll know the story when his empire starts visibly crumbling, à la Trump casinos in Atlantic City.

I agree with that, but I think its hard to dispute that he won the Republican Primary by picking up on trends in Republican Primary voters that practically nobody else noticed, especially his primary competitors, the mainstream pundits and Republican officials themselves.

Even his incoherence on issues is consistent with the incoherence of many of his supporters.  His teabagger senior citizen supporters, for instance, are anti-government, but when it comes to social security, it wasn't just one of these nitwits who said "keep the government away from my social security."

As a whole, they are certainly aware that medicare is a government program, but Trump fits them perfectly by seemingly promising to enhance medicare by seemingly cutting social spending on all the 'freeloaders.'

Similarly, on foreign policy, he also mirrors their incoherent views.  On the one hand, many of them are isolationists after the failure of the Iraq War, but on the other hand, many of them are also frightened by ISIL and want it to be 'destroyed' as quickly as possible.

Trump seemingly promises to disengage from the rest of the world while, at the same time, seemingly adopting the most neo-conservative positions on how to deal with ISIL (though he won't say what he actually 'plans' to do.)

[Value Of Pi]

I agree with that, but I think its hard to dispute that he won the Republican Primary by picking up on trends in Republican Primary voters that practically nobody else noticed, especially his primary competitors, the mainstream pundits and Republican officials themselves.

Even his incoherence on issues is consistent with the incoherence of many of his supporters.  His teabagger senior citizen supporters, for instance, are anti-government, but when it comes to social security, it wasn't just one of these nitwits who said "keep the government away from my social security."

As a whole, they are certainly aware that medicare is a government program, but Trump fits them perfectly by seemingly promising to enhance medicare by seemingly cutting social spending on all the 'freeloaders.'

Similarly, on foreign policy, he also mirrors their incoherent views.  On the one hand, many of them are isolationists after the failure of the Iraq War, but on the other hand, many of them are also frightened by ISIL and want it to be 'destroyed' as quickly as possible.

Trump seemingly promises to disengage from the rest of the world while, at the same time, seemingly adopting the most neo-conservative positions on how to deal with ISIL (though he won't say what he actually 'plans' to do.)

Sure, his campaign has been a political success so far, for various unsavory reasons, including his having the chutzpah to state from the podium what the increasing number of nincompoops are thinking. What all this says about his business smarts is something else.

The OPM (other people's money) that he loves to talk about is the critical element in his business dealings. It's going to be much harder for him to do his thing as those people and their money shy away while revenue drops off and all the government investigations and charges start to bite.

So he gets his time in the presidential campaign limelight (congratulations) but in the process loses the thing he treasures most, his lifetime record of success and infallibility. That's some deal.

[PrairieGhost]

https://twitter.com/MarieLeff/status/781088727212761089


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpXsAoXZIMg

[136 or 142]

Sure, his campaign has been a political success so far, for various unsavory reasons, including his having the chutzpah to state from the podium what the increasing number of nincompoops are thinking. What all this says about his business smarts is something else.

The OPM (other people's money) that he loves to talk about is the critical element in his business dealings. It's going to be much harder for him to do his thing as those people and their money shy away while revenue drops off and all the government investigations and charges start to bite.

So he gets his time in the presidential campaign limelight (congratulations) but in the process loses the thing he treasures most, his lifetime record of success and infallibility. That's some deal.

I was referring to his marketing acumen, not just his capabilities to use them in business.  I think we're addressing different points.  I'm referring to his clear ability (though far from perfect ability looking at the number failed business ventures he's had) to notice and exploit an under-served market, whether in business or in politics. 

This is a marketing thinking ability that he clearly has.

What I think you are referring to is that, whatever initial reason he had for running for President, he messed up due to his obvious complete lack of impulse control.  This is his immediate thinking, the 'reptilian brain' as some on Coast to Coast might say.  Other than his line about illegal Mexican aliens and the 'Mexican Judge", I don't think any of his boorish comments (to understate them) were thought out.

I suppose the problem is, judging from the people he seems to keep around him, is that none of his advisers were willing to tell him "You'd get an immediate boost in publicity from running for President but given your lack of impulse, this is likely to not work out well, and the longer you stay in the race, the less well it will go."

[Zetaspeak]

Obviously it's impossible to say if the L.A Times poll is right or wrong, but they use an absolutely bizarre methodology.

I  been following polls for the last two months and LA times seem to be always way off everybody else. At times being 10-points different what I would consider the average of the top polls.

In my calculation most recent top polls (from 2012) Clinton is up by 5. I been following about 25 polls and literally only LA times have Trump up by the match (4), at best others have Trump tied. Most have him losing by 3 to 7.

[136 or 142]

I  been following polls for the last two months and LA times seem to be always way off everybody else. At times being 10-points different what I would consider the average of the top polls.

In my calculation most recent top polls (from 2012) Clinton is up by 5. I been following about 25 polls and literally only LA times have Trump up by the match (4), at best others have Trump tied. Most have him losing by 3 to 7.

Yes, but this doesn't mean the L.A Times poll is wrong.  All polls use somewhat differing methodologies and the L.A Times poll may, in fact, be using the most accurate one.

That aside though, apparently even Nate Silver in the case of the L.A Times poll 'unskews' it to account for what I posted above.  Apparently he once shifted the numbers by a net 6% to Hillary Clinton but apparently he now only applies a net 4% shift.

[Value Of Pi]

I was referring to his marketing acumen, not just his capabilities to use them in business.  I think we're addressing different points.  I'm referring to his clear ability (though far from perfect ability looking at the number failed business ventures he's had) to notice and exploit an under-served market, whether in business or in politics. 

This is a marketing thinking ability that he clearly has.

What I think you are referring to is that, whatever initial reason he had for running for President, he messed up due to his obvious complete lack of impulse control.  This is his immediate thinking, the 'reptilian brain' as some on Coast to Coast might say.  Other than his line about illegal Mexican aliens and the 'Mexican Judge", I don't think any of his boorish comments (to understate them) were thought out.

I suppose the problem is, judging from the people he seems to keep around him, is that none of his advisers were willing to tell him "You'd get an immediate boost in publicity from running for President but given your lack of impulse, this is likely to not work out well, and the longer you stay in the race, the less well it will go."

Some people refer to his P.T. Barnum abilities as "marketing acumen." I'm not that gracious. There are many, many business people out there with real marketing acumen. The fact that very few live in golden palaces might have something to do with their also being saddled with some quantity of scruples and ethics.

Also, in the political world, others did notice the neglected "market" that Trump did. But exploiting that market apparently required a shlump with Trump's talents. He is one in a trillion, I will agree on that.

[136 or 142]

Some people refer to his P.T. Barnum abilities as "marketing acumen." I'm not that gracious. There are many, many business people out there with real marketing acumen. The fact that very few live in golden palaces might have something to do with their also being saddled with some quantity of scruples and ethics.

Also, in the political world, others did notice the neglected "market" that Trump did. But exploiting that market apparently required a shlump with Trump's talents. He is one in a trillion, I will agree on that.

I don't know of any that did.  The closest I can think of is Rick Santorum who ran in less religious states as a kind of populist/pro labor Republican.  But he mostly emphasized his far right conservative social issue positions.

I can't think of any Republican that ran for Congress (House or U.S Senate), I can't think of any Republican that ran for Governor in any state, and, as I wrote previously neither the professional pundits nor Republican officials noticed this new Republican constituency either.

I think it may be possible to put together a 'European far right' type Republican Party that doesn't rely on support from racists but emphasizes limiting immigration (I'm not sure how that can be done given the aging population, but maybe they can think of something), opposing free trade and limiting U.S foreign engagement.

Those are actually mostly issues Pat Buchanan raised 20+ yeaers ago.  But, again, as with Rick Santorum, Buchanan was also mostly concerned about far right social issues.

Ross Perot, another capable marketer, opposed free trade and did not run on social issues, but other than claiming to be concerned about the debt and deficit, I can't remember if he had any positions on any other issues other than those two things.

[GravitySucks]

I don't know of any that did.  The closest I can think of is Rick Santorum who ran in less religious states as a kind of populist/pro labor Republican.  But he mostly emphasized his far right conservative social issue positions.

I can't think of any Republican that ran for Congress (House or U.S Senate), I can't think of any Republican that ran for Governor in any state, and, as I wrote previously neither the professional pundits nor Republican officials noticed this new Republican constituency either.

I think it may be possible to put together a 'European far right' type Republican Party that doesn't rely on support from racists but emphasizes limiting immigration (I'm not sure how that can be done given the aging population, but maybe they can think of something), opposing free trade and limiting U.S foreign engagement.

Those are actually mostly issues Pat Buchanan raised 20+ yeaers ago.  But, again, as with Rick Santorum, Buchanan was also mostly concerned about far right social issues.

Ross Perot, another capable marketer, opposed free trade and did not run on social issues, but other than claiming to be concerned about the debt and deficit, I can't remember if he had any positions on any other issues other than those two things.

The whole premise of the Tea Party - take our country back.

[Value Of Pi]

I don't know of any that did.  The closest I can think of is Rick Santorum who ran in less religious states as a kind of populist/pro labor Republican.  But he mostly emphasized his far right conservative social issue positions.

I can't think of any Republican that ran for Congress (House or U.S Senate), I can't think of any Republican that ran for Governor in any state, and, as I wrote previously neither the professional pundits nor Republican officials noticed this new Republican constituency either.

I think it may be possible to put together a 'European far right' type Republican Party that doesn't rely on support from racists but emphasizes limiting immigration (I'm not sure how that can be done given the aging population, but maybe they can think of something), opposing free trade and limiting U.S foreign engagement.

Those are actually mostly issues Pat Buchanan raised 20+ yeaers ago.  But, again, as with Rick Santorum, Buchanan was also mostly concerned about far right social issues.

Ross Perot, another capable marketer, opposed free trade and did not run on social issues, but other than claiming to be concerned about the debt and deficit, I can't remember if he had any positions on any other issues other than those two things.

They weren't candidates, they were political observers. You know, pundits. Seeing the opportunity wasn't a big deal because without the right candidate to push people's buttons, it's all academic anyway.

And, I'll admit, Trump is very good at pushing this crowd's buttons. Meanwhile, they are thrilled that such a bigwig is noticing them.

[albrecht]

[The OPM (other people's money) that he loves to talk about is the critical element in his business dealings. It's going to be much harder for him to do his thing as those people and their money shy away while revenue drops off and all the government investigations and charges start to bite.

So he gets his time in the presidential campaign limelight (congratulations) but in the process loses the thing he treasures most, his lifetime record of success and infallibility. That's some deal.
[/quote]
You never know, he might be looking to get a Clinton type of "deal" that once in government any and all criminal or even civil (and sexual) problems he or his businesses can disappear, investigated poorly, no-billed, have evidence stolen (or reappear if needed,) people commit suicide, or just passed on by the FBI due to his position and name. It has worked for them for decades both at the State level and then the Federal level (and associated quasi-governmental organizations, SEC, etc.) Heck maybe he think he could even funnel government money to his companies or associates? Or just the usual regulatory capture stuff?

[Value Of Pi]

[The OPM (other people's money) that he loves to talk about is the critical element in his business dealings. It's going to be much harder for him to do his thing as those people and their money shy away while revenue drops off and all the government investigations and charges start to bite.

So he gets his time in the presidential campaign limelight (congratulations) but in the process loses the thing he treasures most, his lifetime record of success and infallibility. That's some deal.

You never know, he might be looking to get a Clinton type of "deal" that once in government any and all criminal or even civil (and sexual) problems he or his businesses can disappear, investigated poorly, no-billed, have evidence stolen (or reappear if needed,) people commit suicide, or just passed on by the FBI due to his position and name. It has worked for them for decades both at the State level and then the Federal level (and associated quasi-governmental organizations, SEC, etc.) Heck maybe he think he could even funnel government money to his companies or associates? Or just the usual regulatory capture stuff?

He'd need a whole government department just devoted to covering up his lifetime of crappy dealings. The latest is his breaking the longtime U.S. embargo on business dealings in Cuba, about 15-20 years ago, then covering it up.

[GravitySucks]

He'd need a whole government department just devoted to covering up his lifetime of crappy dealings. The latest is his breaking the longtime U.S. embargo on business dealings in Cuba, about 15-20 years ago, then covering it up.

Here's one of Hillary's buddies doing the same thing while she was SoS.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/29/hillary-confidante-mcauliffe-made-2010-cuba-trip-sell-virginia-wine-apples-hillary-secretary-state/

Not sure if the statute of linitations has run out in this one yet the way it has for the allegations against Trump.

[Value Of Pi]

Here's one of Hillary's buddies doing the same thing while she was SoS.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/29/hillary-confidante-mcauliffe-made-2010-cuba-trip-sell-virginia-wine-apples-hillary-secretary-state/

Not sure if the statute of linitations has run out in this one yet the way it has for the allegations against Trump.

According to the original Wash Post article, the embargo was loosened in 2000, so this trip (to sell wine, of all things) was apparently not illegal. Dumb, but not illegal.