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Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

136 or 142

Quote from: mikuthing01 on September 28, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
Most evangelicals don't like trump that's why hes pandering he needs to win them over. They wanted Ted Cruz and are salty because he lost.

They split the evangelical vote in the Republican Primaries.  Cruz assumed he would win virtually all of them.

Donald Noory

Quote from: GravitySucks on September 28, 2016, 03:53:09 PM
Labels are only important to those that wish to divide and conquer, or control and manipulate.

If one happens to believe in a limited federal government, adherence to the constitution and fiscal restraint, they have to be given a label. There are plenty of conservative-minded people that believe in those three tenets, yet hold a wide range of religious beliefs, including aetheists and agnostics.

If you want an exercise in examining how pervasive labels have become in our society, try writing a couple of sentences like those above without using a label.

The problem today is that the federal government has become a behemoth that has blurred the lines of what the labels right/left or liberal/conservative were originally used for. Both parties have entrenched themselves into protectionist positions to maintain the status quo of power and control. The difference is only a matter of degree.  Hence attempts to develop third parties such as Libertarian and Constitutional parties. Or even the Socialist and Communist parties. At the end of the day though, at least today at the federal level, we are left with two choices.

Read the party platforms and ignore the candidates (Yes I know how ridiculous that sounds). Just based on the party platforms, I know who I would be voting for/voting against.

You also think Heather Wade is a great host. Your opinion is not valid.

136 or 142

Quote from: Donald Noory on September 28, 2016, 03:49:48 PM


This is actually not correct.  The three priorities for the senior citizens who are tea-baggers, and many of whom supported Trump are essentially:
3.Cut social programs for all the 'free loaders'
2.Decrease taxes, mostly for the wealthy.
1.Increase spending on programs for us.


Quote from: albrecht on September 28, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
Though I think now, maybe always, it is not as clear cut as left/right and lots of competing, and sometimes, common interests and cross-over. And of course the ever present confusing terminology "conservative," "liberal," and Party names meaning different things in different places. For example, like since when is "red" considered a conservative or Republican color? Except our media decided to make it so with "Red State" this, etc. Considering politics as the "left" considers gender or sexuality- a spectrum and often with strange bedfellows.  ;)

Good points, existing language is maybe insufficient to cover the entire political spectrum, maybe the future is nationalism vs globalism?

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21702750-farewell-left-versus-right-contest-matters-now-open-against-closed-new?cid1=cust/ednew/n/bl/n/20160728n/

136 or 142

Quote from: GravitySucks on September 28, 2016, 03:53:09 PM

1.If one happens to believe in a limited federal government, adherence to the constitution and fiscal restraint, they have to be given a label. There are plenty of conservative-minded people that believe in those three tenets, yet hold a wide range of religious beliefs, including aetheists and agnostics.

2.Read the party platforms and ignore the candidates (Yes I know how ridiculous that sounds). Just based on the party platforms, I know who I would be voting for/voting against.

1.Many conservatives claim to believe in those things, but I've never seen all that many that are actually consistent.  Of course, 'limited government' 'adherence to the Constitution' and even 'fiscal restraint' are rather meaningless labels themselves.

2.Party platform or Trump's platform?  Trump's platform is pablum.

GravitySucks

Quote from: 136 or 142 on September 28, 2016, 04:00:55 PM
1.Many conservatives claim to believe in those things, but I've never seen all that many that are actually consistent.  Of course, 'limited government' 'adherence to the Constitution' and even 'fiscal restraint' are rather meaningless labels themselves.

2.Party platform or Trump's platform?  Trump's platform is pablum.

I have already taught you to count and taught you French history this week. I am not going to teach you reading comprehension as well.

I used to wonder why Canadians would be so energetic in opposing Trump in social media. Are you afraid he is going to renegotiate NAFTA?

136 or 142

Quote from: GravitySucks on September 28, 2016, 04:06:50 PM
I have already taught you to count and taught you French history this week. I am not going to teach you reading comprehension as well.

I used to wonder why Canadians would be so energetic in opposing Trump in social media. Are you afraid he is going to renegotiate NAFTA?

1.I, in turn, taught you why the 94 million unemployed Americans is a dishonest claim.

2.I don't like seeing want be authoritarian dictators/demagogues elected anywhere.

Were you saying that you also agree those terms are meaningless labels?  You wrote "they have to be given a label" but it wasn't clear to me whether you were referring to those things or the people who you claim believe in those things.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on September 28, 2016, 02:25:04 PM
I normally let people stand up for themselves here, but 21st Century Man may have meant that he doesn't believe that Trump's favorite book is the Bible.

That's exactly what I meant, 136.  Like Donny Noory posted, "some people aren't too bright."  By the way, thanks!  :) ;)

Quote from: 136 or 142 on September 28, 2016, 03:54:08 PM
They split the evangelical vote in the Republican Primaries.  Cruz assumed he would win virtually all of them.

This is exactly what happened.

136 or 142

Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 28, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
That's exactly what I meant, 136.  Like Donny Noory posted, "some people aren't too bright."  By the way, thanks!  :) ;)

:)

analog kid

Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 28, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
That's exactly what I meant, 136.  Like Donny Noory posted, "some people aren't too bright."  By the way, thanks!  :) ;)

It seems obvious now, once I reread your post.  :D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Donald Noory on September 28, 2016, 01:53:21 PM


Welcome to Team Trump, man! It's about time you came to your senses.  :D

You can't always tell by appearances who might be a fan of the Bible or if they are full of it.  I once knew a guy who was the biggest horn dog and with the filthiest mouth, but always carried a Bible under his arm.  Or Bible scholars like Bart Ehrman who are actually atheists.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: analog kid on September 28, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
It's a direct quote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGZFhEF7l3U

So. Even if you're not religious it's still a pretty good read. Lots of people like the bible. This guy likes the bible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtC9r4FIx4

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Donald Noory on September 28, 2016, 03:49:48 PM


Thanks for your sacrifice, Grandma & Grandpa! We'll be turning you into Soylent Green next term but one step at a time. Your beautiful!  :D

136 or 142

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 28, 2016, 05:26:49 PM
So. Even if you're not religious it's still a pretty good read. Lots of people like the bible. This guy likes the bible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtC9r4FIx4

Is that from Damien? (The Omen series)

Donald Noory

Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 28, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
That's exactly what I meant, 136.  Like Donny Noory posted, "some people aren't too bright."  By the way, thanks!  :) ;)

But you're dumb enough to vote for him even though you allegedly know he's pandering to religious nuts such as yourself.


Lt.Uhura

Trump must really think voters are complete idiots.  He claims he's "smart" for not paying taxes, then an hour later lies about it and diverts the conversation when called out on his lie!  Only a chronic, pathological liar is capable of this kind of behavior.  I can't believe people think he's safe to be anywhere near the White House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN1E5ok8Wsw

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Trump must really think voters are complete idiots.  He lies on tape about being "smart" for not paying taxes, then immediately diverts the conversation when called out on his lie!  Only a chronic, pathological liar is capable of this kind of behavior.  I can't believe people think he's safe to be anywhere near the White House.



Value Of Pi

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Trump must really think voters are complete idiots.  He claims he's "smart" for not paying taxes, then an hour later lies about it and diverts the conversation when called out on his lie!  Only a chronic, pathological liar is capable of this kind of behavior.  I can't believe people think he's safe to be anywhere near the White House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN1E5ok8Wsw

Yeah, but the Trump brand of dishonesty is the "good and harmless" kind of dishonesty. You have to understand how Trump voters think. It's okay lies versus bad lies.








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