President Donald J. Trump

[PB the Deplorable]

I agree...Accusing Ted Cruz's dad of helping to assassinate JFK; Making the racist comment that a judge (Born in Indiana) was biased because he was "Hispanic' (Presumably anti orange?), making the totally unfounded allegation that Obama had wire tapped him, the recent debunked (and agreed by of all people Trey Gowdy) that the recent allegation that the FBI planted a spy in the Trump campaign wasn't based on fact, the pandering to his base with his racist and xenophobic tacit approval of such; The hanging his hat onto Alex Jones who pedals the made up (Yes, the guy who made it up admitted it and said he was amazed at how it spread) story about Hilary Clinton eating children, Shooting his fucking mouth off on stuff he hasn't a clue about that matters, is far far more damaging.


And yes, his base would love that the USA was white only. He might not yet, but if it makes his crowd cheer him, he'll go along with it. And what a fucking child him telling the brethren in TN how the Clinton crowd wasn't as big as his! Why is obsessed with crowd sizes and viewing figures? Does he know it isn't an official soap opera he's performing in?

Half of these are either so grossly taken out of context and spun that they are lies themselves, and the other half are insignificant. 

None of them measure up to the damage Democrats do routinely in their America-bashing hate.  Try again, and this time try to be convincing.

[PB the Deplorable]

All the Benghazi lies, the email server, the FBI spying on Trump...magnitudes worse by far!

And Trump gets blamed for some flakey Starbux manager calling the cops on two blacks.

Because of course CEO Howard Schultz wasn't going to take responsibility for his organization's deficits, now was he?

President Trump’s rhetoric on race has “given license to people to feel as if they can emulate and copy the kind of behavior and language that comes out of this administration,” says Starbucks Chairman Howard Schultz https://t.co/fxpGkEjPBZ https://t.co/i1R0zExvNc

Those lies are all ok. 

Not only were they spoken with glib poli-speak that Pud and other Trump haters find so comforting, but after all the comments were made on behalf of the Party of Big Government.

[Yorkshire pud]

Half of these are either so grossly taken out of context and spun that they are lies themselves, and the other half are insignificant. 

None of them measure up to the damage Democrats do routinely in their America-bashing hate.  Try again, and this time try to be convincing.

It's only insignificant to you.. Not to Trump, he got elected on the stuff he said. As for lies? Seriously?     Trump wouldn't know the truth if it weighed 100 pounds with a neon sign on it and hit him in the face.

[PB the Deplorable]

Both actually...It was ironically Obama who brought the measures in (I think 2010) and since then immigration were steadily reducing...

You've had this explained to you numerous times, so it's probably time to stop giving you the benefit of the doubt for poor memory and just go straight to dishonesty.

Obama changed the way the deportation statistics were accumulated to include those turned around at the border.  He deported very few during his term.

Apparently the stupid people he was trying to pander to weren't in on the deal - or perhaps they ''forgot'' too - because the LA Times had to print this to remind them, and make sure they didn't turn on him and stay home on election day.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html   

Now let's hear you go on about his lie on this.

[Yorkshire pud]

No, he’s a traitor to Britain.  He’s just another tiresome Brit in this country.

Don't take this the wrong way, fuck you.

[albrecht]

Don't take this the wrong way, fuck you.

Ah yes, the usual Q.E.D. from those who flee to a country they criticize and hate.  To think it took A Levels, or maybe more, to come up with such wit and argument.

[Dr. MD MD]

Don't take this the wrong way, fuck you.

Triggered!

[PB the Deplorable]

You're an idiot.

Why, because the people spying on Trump, the people who inserted an operative into the campaign to keep tabs on him are calling it ''surveillance'' and an ''investigation'' instead of spying, and their toadies in media are going along with it?  Is that all it takes for you?

If they were ''surveilling'' and investigating'' a year ago, if that's really what they were doing, then wouldn't he be exonerated?  If this is all on the up and up, just federal law enforcement (and CIA?) doing their jobs, wouldn't this have been over certainly by late last year?

It's actually proof Trump was right about the spying all along, and proof this is all just a shame to obstruct the agenda he was voted into office to carry out.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  Trump wouldn't know the truth if it weighed 100 pounds with a neon sign on it and hit him in the face.

And you would?

[PB the Deplorable]

Ah yes, the usual Q.E.D. from those who flee to a country they criticize and hate.  To think it took A Levels, or maybe more, to come up with such wit and argument.

I know quite a few people from Europe and other supposed first world nations who came here for school or employment.

Very few are able to make the connection between the level of opportunity they had to leave home and come here for, and the system that produced that.  All they can think of is how to convince us we need to be more like their home countries and adapt to their ideas.  They ought to go home - and take a bunch of D-rats with them

[Kidnostad3]

I didn't say it was acceptable; As one of the very few on this forum who has been through the very expensive and drawn out filing to completion of a green card I resent that I have willingly done it and some don't, but that's how it is. However, I can understand even if I don't condone anyone trying to get into USA without that bureaucracy, expense and a lot of 'hurry up and wait'.

But ultimately the USA is a country of immigrants, and always has been. Even the native Americans weren't the original settlers. You use an I-phone? Thank Apple, founder of whom's father was Syrian. Unlike most on this forum I have been lucky to travel the world a bit, and met people just like you and me. All they want is a decent job that pays enough to feed their family, a home to put them in and decent education for their kids...They despise politicians just as many do. That's it, that's their aspiration, so if gangs and traffickers are causing their lives to be a misery and they're terrified of having their families murdered, can you seriously blame them for wanting to escape that? What would you do if you were in that position?

This may surprise you but I’ve done a bit of traveling myself.  In fact, I have set foot on every continent except Antarctica.  You really don’t have to tell me that there are good people who are much like you and I throughout the world.  However, as a responsible adult and a pragmatist I also know there is a limit to the number of needy good people much like you and I that any country can absorb.  I also know that among certain ethnicities and religions there are many people that want to kill Americans.  In this day and time your appeal to our sense of humanity is much less compelling than our instinct to survive. 

[PB the Deplorable]

This may surprise you but I’ve done a bit of traveling myself.  In fact, I have set foot on every continent except Antarctica.  You really don’t have to tell me that there are good people who are much like you and I throughout the world.  However, as a responsible adult and a pragmatist I also know there is a limit to the number of needy good people much like you and I that any country can absorb.  I also know that among certain ethnicities and religions there are many people that want to kill Americans.  In this day and time your appeal to our sense of humanity is much less compelling than our instinct to survive.

Oh god, is he reduced to telling us he's traveled and met good people elsewhere?

Yeah, none of the rest of us have ever been anywhere, and are just a bunch of bumpkins.  Can you believe this guy?  Remember when he used to know more about the US than we did, because he'd once visited a friend in Georgia?  Shit, he must be an expert now.

[Gd5150]

I know quite a few people from Europe and other supposed first world nations who came here for school or employment.

Most those lucky enough to escape Iran before the civil war (1979) came here, started businesses, and are Republican. They have personal experience with authoritarian govt and have no interest in electing more.

[albrecht]

I know quite a few people from Europe and other supposed first world nations who came here for school or employment.

Very few are able to make the connection between the level of opportunity they had to leave home and come here for, and the system that produced that.  All they can think of is how to convince us we need to be more like their home countries and adapt to their ideas.  They ought to go home - and take a bunch of D-rats with them

The funny thing is there are opportunities in countries from which they fled also. I'm all for working globally and appreciate other countries and cultures and opportunities in business and for experience (actually many European countries are very 'good' tax-wise, if you know what you are doing, for business.) And lots of Asian opportunities and some odd stuff in E.Europe and Russia. But lots of that more shady. But like Greece. Ha. But with smarts and knowledge and concerns about national interests also. That is why there are laws. That is why I don't understand why only the USA and European countries must "accept all," have open borders, "accommodate," and accept crimes by others? When you visit a place, or especially go to live and work, you should accept, or at minimum tolerate, the local culture and rules. You don't flee to somewhere, regardless of reason, and then attack it. Physically or even rhetorically. Especially if illegal but even if legal. Whatever happened to the left's idea of "cultural relativism" and "acceptance?" Now all countries (Western) cannot have their own rules, culture, religions, borders, or society? When has Japan, Singapore, Zimbabwe, or even Switzerland opened their border and took all and sundry from El Salvador and Libya and Somalia? Why doesn't Pud's Britain take in all those Somalians, and others, considering?

[ACE of CLUBS]

You should build a wall around Heather.

Huh ?

[Dr. MD MD]

Huh ?

[ACE of CLUBS]

Yeah, unemployed Canucks need the work.

We've got a pipeline to build at the moment .....

How about all those 'un-employable bubbas' your country is so famous for ....
Instead of sittin' around on the porch playin' banjos and picking the jiggers out of each others mullets .... they could learn how to work.

[Dr. MD MD]

We've got a pipeline to build at the moment .....

How about all those 'un-employable bubbas' your country is so famous for ....
Instead of sittin' around on the porch playin' banjos and picking the jiggers out of each others mullets .... they could learn how to work.

I thought you were environmentalists who were for Native rights, whores?! :

[PB the Deplorable]

If anyone wants to read a breathtaking piece of revisionism, here's one.  There are too many nuggets to even begin listing them. 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-trump%e2%80%99s-election-shook-obama-%e2%80%98what-if-we-were-wrong%e2%80%99/ar-AAy2e8N?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP 

[Jackstar]

Wow, this cunt rarely doubles down like this. Let's dive in, shall we?

Accusing Ted Cruz's dad of helping to assassinate JFK;

Still--more plausible than the Magic Bullet Theory. Deny this fact at your own peril.

Making the racist comment that a judge (Born in Indiana) was biased because he was "Hispanic' (Presumably anti orange?),

Everyone has bias. Deny this fact at your own peril. I suppose a case can be made that the comment was "racist" but then you'd have to explain why Trump isn't on the podium every day, demanding the firing of all the spic judges. What's your angle here--that this was a prime spic? The apex of the racist bullseye? Sure, okay, whatever. Moving on--remember, this was your 'B' game.

making the totally unfounded allegation that Obama had wire tapped him,

"Totally" unfounded? "Totally," you say? Heh heh. We'll touch on this later.

the recent debunked (and agreed by of all people Trey Gowdy) that the recent allegation that the FBI planted a spy in the Trump campaign wasn't based on fact,

Mr Halper's first wife was the daughter of the prominent former CIA analyst Ray S. Cline, who worked alongside President John F. Kennedy during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 and mentored Mr Halper, introducing him to associates in the intelligence and political communities, according to numerous people familiar with their relationship.

After earning his doctorate from the University of Oxford in 1971, Mr Halper quickly ascended, serving on the White House domestic policy council for President Richard M. Nixon and then in the Office of Management and Budget before being tapped as an assistant to President Gerald Ford's chief of staff. According to a document from Ford's presidential library, part of Mr Halper's job was assessing domestic political candidates, such as Jimmy Carter, for high-ranking staffers in the West Wing.

Mr Halper later worked for Sen. William Roth, R-Del., before joining the George H.W. Bush campaign in 1980 as national policy development director and then working for the Reagan-Bush campaign as national director of policy coordination. In the Reagan administration, he served as deputy assistant secretary of state for politico-military affairs, according to his biography.

After the 1980 race, Mr Halper was caught up in a scandal around alleged political spying. Aides to Mr Reagan, including Mr Halper, were accused of having spied on Mr Carter's campaign and obtaining private documents that Mr Carter was using to prepare for a debate. Some Reagan White House officials later alleged that Mr Halper had used former CIA agents to run an operation against Mr Carter.

What are you, fucking high? "Debunked" isn't even a real word. Are you saying he wasn't "a spy"? Are you saying he wasn't "planted"? Are you saying anything that you expect anyone to take seriously?

the pandering to his base with his racist and xenophobic tacit approval of such;

Where were you when it was a Clinton doing it?

The hanging his hat onto Alex Jones who pedals the made up (Yes, the guy who made it up admitted it and said he was amazed at how it spread) story about Hilary Clinton eating children,

You list that like that's a bad thing. Deny this fact at your own peril.

Shooting his fucking mouth off on stuff he hasn't a clue about that matters, is far far more damaging.

There you go again--projecting.

Damaging--to whom? Who is it that you imagine that you speak for? I want names, Fucko. Bring it on.

[ItsOver]

The funny thing is there are opportunities in countries from which they fled also. I'm all for working globally and appreciate other countries and cultures and opportunities in business and for experience (actually many European countries are very 'good' tax-wise, if you know what you are doing, for business.) And lots of Asian opportunities and some odd stuff in E.Europe and Russia. But lots of that more shady. But like Greece. Ha. But with smarts and knowledge and concerns about national interests also. That is why there are laws. That is why I don't understand why only the USA and European countries must "accept all," have open borders, "accommodate," and accept crimes by others? When you visit a place, or especially go to live and work, you should accept, or at minimum tolerate, the local culture and rules. You don't flee to somewhere, regardless of reason, and then attack it. Physically or even rhetorically. Especially if illegal but even if legal. Whatever happened to the left's idea of "cultural relativism" and "acceptance?" Now all countries (Western) cannot have their own rules, culture, religions, borders, or society? When has Japan, Singapore, Zimbabwe, or even Switzerland opened their border and took all and sundry from El Salvador and Libya and Somalia? Why doesn't Pud's Britain take in all those Somalians, and others, considering?

Hater.  Are you keeping Jack and Ricky in your dungeon?  I haven't heard from them in awhile.  How can I hate freedom and money without them? 

[Metron2267]

Both actually...It was ironically Obama who brought the measures in (I think 2010) and since then immigration were steadily reducing.

Bullshit LIE!

https://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000844

Chart of Population of Immigrants in the Country Illegally Compared to the Total US Population

Population of Immigrants in the Country Illegally   Total US Population.    % of US Population that Is Immigrants in the Country Illegally

2016   11,300,000                                             324,304,407              3.5%
2015   11,000,000                                             322,060,152              3.4%
2014   11,300,000                                             318,857,056              3.5%
2013   11,300,000                                             316,128,839              3.6%
2012   11,400,000                                             313,914,040              3.6%
2011   11,500,000                                             311,914,816              3.7%
2010   11,600,000                                             308,747,508              3.8%

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table1

Table 1. Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status: Fiscal Years 1820 To 2016
Year             Number
2016             1,183,505
2015             1,051,031
2014             1,016,518
2013             990,553
2012             1,031,631
2011             1,062,040
2010             1,042,625

Table 13. Refugee Arrivals: Fiscal Years 1980 to 2016

Year         Number
2016         84,989
2015         69,920
2014         69,975
2013         69,909
2012         58,179
2011         56,384
2010         73,293

https://cis.org/Report/25-Million-Join-Illegal-Population-under-Obama

2.5 Million Join Illegal Population under Obama
Pace slower than under Bush, but still enormous

The total number of illegal immigrants (11 to 12 million) has held roughly constant in recent years because the number arriving has roughly balanced the number going home or getting legal status. This has created the mistaken impression that the problem is largely over. The most recent estimates from the Center for Migration Studies indicate that 1.7 million aliens joined the illegal population from 2009 to 2013 and Pew Research Center estimates indicate 1.5 million â€" 300,000 to 400,000 a year. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates an additional 790,000 joined the illegal population since 2013 for a total of 2.5 million new illegal immigrants since President Obama took office.

Among the findings:

The most recent analyses from the Center for Migration Studies and the Pew Research Center indicate 1.5 to 1.7 million aliens joined the illegal population from 2009 to 2013 â€" either overstaying a temporary visa or sneaking into the country.
Center for Immigration Studies analysis of Census Bureau data indicates that an additional 790,000 aliens joined the illegal population from the middle of 2013 to May of 2015, for a total of 2.5 million new illegal immigrants since President Obama took office in January of 2009 â€" 300,000 to 400,000 a year.
The size of the illegal population has remained roughly constant since 2009 because these new arrivals were offset by those who returned to their home countries, those who received green cards, and natural mortality.1
Had the United States not allowed so many new illegal immigrants to settle in the country since 2009, the total number of illegal immigrants would have fallen by 2.5 million. But the arrival of so many new illegal immigrants offset this attrition in the illegal population.
Prior estimates from the Department of Homeland Security indicated that in the first six years of the Bush administration some 500,000 to 600,000 aliens joined the illegal immigrant population each year.2
While the level of new illegal immigration is lower than a decade ago, the enormous ongoing scale of illegal immigration is a clear indication that the United States has not come close to controlling it.
Prior research indicates that roughly half a million illegal immigrants return home on their own each year, are deported, die, or get permanent residence. Those who get legal status each year are not beneficiaries of the president's administrative amnesty known as DACA â€" which does not give permanent residence, but does provide Social Security numbers, work authorization, and identity documents. Rather it has been long-standing policy to allow those who violate immigration laws to still get green cards (permanent residency) if they qualify in one of the legal immigration categories such as marrying a U.S. citizen.3

Look, you call me a traitor, I say you're a gormless fuckwit. I think that evens it up, yeah?

YOU are a craven serial LIAR, period.



https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/new-map-cost-illegal-immigration-state

According to the Washington Examiner, when federal costs are included, illegal immigrants cost $135 billion a year.

Below are the ten states most heavily weighed by the cost of illegal immigration:

1. California â€" $23,038,125,353

2. Texas â€" $10,994,614,550

3. New York â€" $7,489,141,357

4. Florida â€" $6,290,429,108

5. New Jersey â€" $4,466,838,574

6. Illinois â€" $3,220,767,517

7. Georgia â€" $2,487,719,503

8. North Carolina â€" $2,437,965,113

9. Maryland â€" $2,378,996,947

10.   Arizona â€" $2,314,131,964

[Metron2267]

We've got a pipeline to build at the moment .....

How about all those 'un-employable bubbas' your country is so famous for ....
Instead of sittin' around on the porch playin' banjos and picking the jiggers out of each others mullets .... they could learn how to work.

Aren't you hosers still importing Africans to build out your icebox?

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2016006-eng.htm

Chart 5 Distribution in percentage of the foreign-born population, by place of birth, Canada, 1871 to 2011

You damned sure fell out of love with Brits and Scandinavians, eh?

[Metron2267]

You're an idiot.

You got your ass handed to you...AGAIN!

[Metron2267]

Economics has something to do with it, and crime levels. Despite Obama's exhortations for illegalimmigrants to come across if there were less jobs, less would come, and when the cartel violence was at its worst it also caused some hesitancy for those to try or, unlike normal years, to "go for it"  and stay. (In the past, it was usually male workers who would come for work and remit money back home and even return home for holidays or seasons, often even using ICE for free transport, but under Bush/Obama years (drug war and cartel disruption) increasingly bringing their brood  with them and staying over.

The pud puller conveniently ignores the impact of the Great Recession.

Typical lieberal ignorance.

[Metron2267]

I didn't say it was acceptable; As one of the very few on this forum who has been through the very expensive and drawn out filing to completion of a green card I resent that I have willingly done it and some don't, but that's how it is. However, I can understand even if I don't condone anyone trying to get into USA without that bureaucracy, expense and a lot of 'hurry up and wait'.

Boo fucking hoo!

Cry us a river of treasonous crocodile tears, you scumbag limey troll.

But ultimately the USA is a country of immigrants, and always has been.

Bullshit lie!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

In absolute numbers, the United States has a larger immigrant population than any other country, with 47 million immigrants as of 2015.[1] This represents 19.1% of the 244 million international migrants worldwide, and 14.4% of the U.S. population. Many other countries have significantly higher percentages, such as e.g. Switzerland with 24.9% immigrants.

Decade   Average per year

1890-99   369,100
1900-09   745,100
1910-19   634,400
1920-29   429,600
1930â€"39   69,900
1940â€"49   85,700
1950â€"59   249,900
1960â€"69   321,400
1970â€"79   424,800
1980â€"89   624,400
1990â€"99   977,500
2000â€"09   1,029,900
2010â€"16   1,054,000


You asshat!

Even the native Americans weren't the original settlers.

So fucking what?

Non sequitur.

You use an I-phone? Thank Apple, founder of whom's father was Syrian.

One more non sequitur anecdote - a typical lieberal obfuscation strategy.

Unlike most on this forum I have been lucky to travel the world a bit, and met people just like you and me. All they want is a decent job that pays enough to feed their family, a home to put them in and decent education for their kids...They despise politicians just as many do. That's it, that's their aspiration, so if gangs and traffickers are causing their lives to be a misery and they're terrified of having their families murdered, can you seriously blame them for wanting to escape that? What would you do if you were in that position?

It is NOT our Constitutional mandate to be the repopulation center for Central America - deal with it.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/15/hispanics-of-salvadoran-origin-in-the-united-states-2013/
Salvadorans are the fourth-largest population of Hispanic origin living in the United States, accounting for 3.7% of the U.S. Hispanic population in 2013. Since 1990, the Salvadoran-origin population has more than tripled, growing from 563,000 to 2 million over that period. At the same time, the foreign-born population of Salvadoran origin living in the U.S. grew 156%, up from 459,000 in 1990 to 1.2 million in 2013. In comparison, Mexicans, the nation’s largest Hispanic origin group, constituted 34.6 million, or 64.1%, of the Hispanic population in 2013.1

This statistical profile compares the demographic, income and economic characteristics of the Salvadoran population with the characteristics of all Hispanics and the U.S. population overall, and includes public opinion data of Salvadoran and Hispanic adults. It is based on Pew Research Center tabulations of the 2013 American Community Survey and Pew Research Center’s 2013 National Survey of Latinos. Key facts include:

Immigration status. Roughly six-in-ten Salvadorans (59%) in the United States are foreign born, compared with 35% of Hispanics and 13% of the U.S. population overall. About four-in-ten immigrants from El Salvador (42%) have been in the U.S. for over 20 years. About three-in-ten Salvadoran immigrants (31%) are U.S. citizens.

[Metron2267]

It's only insignificant to you.. Not to Trump, he got elected on the stuff he said. As for lies? Seriously?     Trump wouldn't know the truth if it weighed 100 pounds with a neon sign on it and hit him in the face.

You are in a continual waking state of TRIGGERED!

[Metron2267]

Don't take this the wrong way, fuck you.

Take this any way you like - FUCK OFF OUT OF AMERICA AND GO HOME YOU LIMEY TURDBALL!

[Yorkshire pud]

The pud puller conveniently ignores the impact of the Great Recession.

Typical lieberal ignorance.

My my you have been busy this morning!    It's funny you bring up the recession as being an impact afterwards, because when I did, you dismissed it; Of course nothing to do with Obama being the POTUS at the time.

Hey what do you think to Trump denying he fired Comey because of Russia, in a tweet today, even though there's video footage in his interview with Lester Holt admitting that's exactly why he fired him? The dementia is setting in. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Take this any way you like - FUCK OFF OUT OF AMERICA AND GO HOME YOU LIMEY TURDBALL!

ROFL..