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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 10, 2017, 03:27:42 PM
The prevailing legal opinion is that they either obviously didn't (not likely) or just did it anyway, to be obstructionist. Ultimately, Trump will get his way here because it's the power we gave him when we elected him.

No. The prevailing legal opinion is the WH lawyers were left to look like they'd just left art college, rather than anywhere that taught law. They were unprepared and even had the judges trying to explain sections of law to them! Don't let yourself believe (though you clearly do) anything Trump says. He has no credibility when it comes to anything that resembles the truth. Quite apart from he isn't that bright.


Quote from: Meister_000 on February 10, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
What astonishes me is that Trump's fan-boys here actually believe _they_ know more about Law than the Federal Judges do -- let alone all the other informed and educated observers, lawyers, scholars, reporters in the U.S. do!  If the Courts had "no authority" to challenge Trump on this matter THEY WOULDN'T/COULDN'T have done so -- end of story!  

Not unless they were political hacks which is what they are.  The 9th Circus is a joke.  They have more rulings overturned than any other circuit court in the nation. They don't follow the law, they make it up as they go along. 


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
Not unless they were political hacks which is what they are.  The 9th Circus is a joke.  They have more rulings overturned than any other circuit court in the nation. They don't follow the law, they make it up as they go along.

Really? So why didn't Trump's lawyers immediately appeal in court on a point of law? Jesus. The WH lawyers were amateurish. Nothing can change that, other than a new legal team.

Meister_000

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
Not unless they were political hacks which is what they are.  The 9th Circus is a joke.  They have more rulings overturned than any other circuit court in the nation. They don't follow the law, they make it up as they go along.

Nitwhit.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
Really? So why didn't Trump's lawyers immediately appeal in court on a point of law? Jesus. The WH lawyers were amateurish. Nothing can change that, other than a new legal team.

Yep.  The reason Trump did not appeal it is because we have 4 activist hacks on the Supreme Court too who might well have held up the 9th's opinion.  Better to rewrite the order with the exemptions for green card and visa holders and try again.  Maybe by that time if there is a ruling, Gorsuch will be in place to rule in favor of Trump.  I'm not worried about Kennedy because he is a moderate and will see through the left's attempts to circumvent the law.  Don't worry, pud, the order will stand in the long term.

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 10, 2017, 03:40:28 PM
Nitwhit.

You can't handle the truth, I see.  You can't spell either.  Perhaps you better go back to school and learn to spell.  First it was Jeff Session(s), now nitwhit. I must be getting under your skin, snowflake,.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 10, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
here . .

Sloppy doesn't come close to describing the Trump circus; I just hope he's not let near the medicine cabinet or the nuclear codes.

Meister_000

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 03:56:48 PM
Sloppy doesn't come close to describing the Trump circus; I just hope he's not let near the medicine cabinet or the nuclear codes.

or our kids . .opps! too late

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 03:44:27 PM
Yep.  The reason Trump did not appeal it is because we have 4 activist hacks on the Supreme Court too who might well have held up the 9th's opinion.  Better to rewrite the order with the exemptions for green card and visa holders and try again.  Maybe by that time if there is a ruling, Gorsuch will be in place to rule in favor of Trump.  I'm not worried about Kennedy because he is a moderate and will see through the left's attempts to circumvent the law.  Don't worry, pud, the order will stand in the long term. the EO was full of holes, and had no standing in law, as it was written. And the later amendments were not valid, in law.

FIFY

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 03:56:48 PM
Sloppy doesn't come close to describing the Trump circus; I just hope he's not let near the medicine cabinet or the nuclear codes.


Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:04:29 PM
FIFY

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 03:44:27 PM
Yep.  The reason Trump did not appeal it is because we have 4 activist hacks on the Supreme Court too who might well have held up the 9th's opinion.  Better to rewrite the order with the exemptions for green card and visa holders and try again.  Maybe by that time if there is a ruling, Gorsuch will be in place to rule in favor of Trump.  I'm not worried about Kennedy because he is a moderate and will see through the left's attempts to circumvent the law.  Don't worry, pud, the order will stand in the long term.

Fixed it back!  ;D



Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
Is that ALL you have? Seriously?

It's all he needs for your weak-ass shit.  ::)

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
Is that ALL you have? Seriously?

That was the only thing worthy for your inane fears about Trump and the nuclear codes.  It is all your comment deserved.


Meister_000

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 04:07:33 PM
Fixed it back!

So what you're sayin is:
1. Trump's hand-picked Council/Attorney is incompetent
2. The Fed Judges _did_ and do have The Authority to check/question/challange the President on this matter after all.
3. You'all have bloviated through 2 or 3 pages of posts all afternoon thumping your chests
4. and your collective grade for the day is a resounding FAIL!

Quote from: Meister_000 on February 10, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
So what you're sayin is:
1. Trump's hand-picked Council/Attorney is incompetent
2. The Fed Judges _did_ and do have The Authority to check/question/challange the President on this matter after all.
3. You'all have bloviated through 2 or 3 pages of posts all afternoon thumping your chests
4. and your collective grade for the day is a resounding FAIL!

From what I've read the attorney for Trump was incompetent.  He was some loser left over from the previous administration.  Hardly handpicked. He failed to mention the US code that gives power to Trump to do what he did.  The only thing questionable about the EO was the failure to address visa and green card holders.  Other than that, the judges had no authority to stop the process at all.  Why didn't they do so when Obama banned some immigrants for a time back in 2013?  It is all political because the 9th Circus doesn't like Trump.

As for grades, well you can't even spell correctly, so it is back to first grade for you.  You'll have to try better, snowflake.  ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 04:32:02 PM
From what I've read the attorney for Trump was incompetent a Clinton insider.

FIFY  ;)


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 10, 2017, 04:32:02 PM
From what I've read the attorney for Trump was incompetent.  He was some loser left over from the previous administration.  Hardly handpicked. He failed to mention the US code that gives power to Trump to do what he did.  The only thing questionable about the EO was the failure to address visa and green card holders.  Other than that, the judges had no authority to stop the process at all.  Why didn't they do so when Obama banned some immigrants for a time back in 2013?  It is all political because the 9th Circus doesn't like Trump.

As for grades, well you can't even spell correctly, so it is back to first grade for you.  You'll have to try better, snowflake.  ;D

What are you not getting? As the orginal EO was written, it was illegal. Attempting to alter it and insert the alteration rerospectively isn't permitted. It wasn't permitted before it went to the 9th circuit. They just confirmed it.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 10, 2017, 04:34:07 PM
FIFY  ;)

Two of the four judges (in total) were Rep appointed. Muppit.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:37:05 PM
What are you not getting? As the orginal EO was written, it was illegal. Attempting to alter it and insert the alteration rerospectively isn't permitted. It wasn't permitted before it went to the 9th circuit. They just confirmed it.

Au contraire, mon frere. The 9th just announced that THEY want an en banc. I wonder why? I'm thinking it's just an attempt to rub it in his face even more by saying "See! We all think you're fucked. Not just those three."  ::) ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:38:02 PM
Two of the four judges (in total) were Rep appointed. Muppit.

We weren't talking about the judges. We were talking about the assigned WH counsel. Do try to keep up, boy!  ::)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 10, 2017, 04:40:34 PM
Au contraire, mon frere. The 9th just announced that THEY want an en banc. I wonder why? I'm thinking it's just an attempt to rub it in his face even more by saying "See! We all think you're fucked. Not just those three."  ::) ;D

He is fucked; but its his own and his kindergarten's doing; Correction, Bannon's doing. Trump is just the manchild with the sharpie.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:37:05 PM
What are you not getting? As the orginal EO was written, it was illegal. Attempting to alter it and insert the alteration rerospectively isn't permitted. It wasn't permitted before it went to the 9th circuit. They just confirmed it.

What are you not getting?  Trump is rescinding that order because of the green card and visa issue.  The 9th could have merely struck down that part of the order so green card and visa holders would not be affected.  They didn't do that because they have an ideological problem with Trump.  Well guess what, Trump is basically rewriting the EO with exceptions for green card and visa holders.  The rest of the order will basically be the same.  Trump has the authority to do this.  Trump's new order will hold up against court scrutiny in the long term.  The left doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:38:02 PM
Two of the four judges (in total) were Rep appointed. Muppit.


There were only 3 judges on the panel and one was a Bush appointee.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Got to love an Aston on February 10, 2017, 04:42:51 PM
He is fucked; but its his own and his kindergarten's doing; Correction, Bannon's doing. Trump is just the manchild with the sharpie.

Okay let's deal with your obsession with Bannon.  He's your father who went out for a pack of smokes when you were 2 and never came back, right? 

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