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The Clinton Trump Debates

Started by Laughing Gator, September 23, 2016, 07:48:58 AM

Quote from: onan on October 09, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
As much as I am an atheist, I think it will have to be a spiritual movement to change the underpinnings of the problems that plague cities like Chicago. And there is no one answer to change what is Chicago.

As an aside there are plenty of liberal/democratic cities that are doing very well. So, in my opinion this problem is more than political. And honestly, to suggest politics is the root cause is just way too reductive.

Black criminality.

136 or 142

Quote from: rekcuf on October 09, 2016, 10:11:51 PM
Thinking was your first mistake.

What would you know about thinking?


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
What would you know about thinking?

rekcuf is a genetically advanced killing machine, even moreso than Hillary. Take some advice from George Bush Jr. and don't misunderestimate him.  ;)

136 or 142

Quote from: albrecht on October 09, 2016, 10:16:24 PM
Lest I be sanctioned- or worse called a name. Could there be some demographic data that could be correlated, not causative necessarily, to situations with regard to crime, economic output, school marks, etc in places like Chicago and etc? Or should one dare not go there? Are certain possible "factors" off-limits? Just wondering when it comes to solutions. Obama's mentor even had some interesting theories. Wild ones about "different brains" and "learning differently" and "musical differences" but he speculated, at length, from what I could tell no scientific basis, but when he was Obama's pastor, mentor, and friend. And Obama was organizing the area- look how it turned out!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/2013_Chicago_Homicide_Map.png/220px-2013_Chicago_Homicide_Map.png
http://www.wordsinspace.net/urban-media-archaeology/2010-fall/2010/10/20/map-critique-radical-cartographys-chicago-boundaries/chicagodots_race_big-360/

Unfortunately the ethnic breakdown is for 2000.  But it's a start.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831577/
School Violent Crime and Academic Achievement in Chicago*

http://chicagopolicyreview.org/2016/01/08/feel-it-in-the-air-pollution-and-crime-in-chicago/
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FEEL IT IN THE AIR: POLLUTION AND CRIME IN CHICAGO

Chicago is notorious for its high crime rates. As noted by the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab, risk factors associated with crime include gender, age, race, economic status, exposure to violence, and community instability. A recent study ventures beyond individual and community characteristics to investigate how environmental factors may also affect crime. The study identifies a significant relationship between air pollution and criminal behavior. The researchers estimate that Chicago incurs $1.8 million in annual crime-related costsâ€"a level that more than justifies further evaluation.

http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/06/01/sf.sow041.abstract
Neighborhood Violent Crime and Academic Growth in Chicago: Lasting Effects of Early Exposure

https://crimelab.uchicago.edu/page/guns

https://crimelab.uchicago.edu/page/crime-lab-and-education-lab%E2%80%99s-current-large-scale-study-becoming-man-bam-and-match-tutoring
Crime Lab and Education Lab’s current large-scale study of Becoming a Man (BAM) and Match Tutoring

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/race-society/analyzing-crime-urban-violence-after-ferguson-research-perspectives-data
Analyzing race, crime and urban violence, after Ferguson: Research perspectives and data

That enough for a start?

This probably has all the publicly available journal articles on crime in Chicago since 2012
https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?as_ylo=2012&q=crime+in+chicago&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

theONE

Absolutely no question about it, Donald was very swift tonight, start was bit slow, but after 10-15 minutes he was
intellectually raping and pillaging Hillary,coming back with sharp precise jabs, challenging moderators, 
he was much better then in the first debate.
Tonight Trump connected with average person's common sense.
He drove the message home that Hillary is just talk..for 30 years,
funny how what ever she said that she will fix Trump stopped her and ask her
why you didn't fix that already with your buddy Hussein Obama.

Trump grabbed Hillary by her ..brains tonight and swept the floor

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Uncle Duke

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 09, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
Not going to happen with this joker in the White House.

Not so sure.  This is a "freedom of navigation" issue, the US has historically protected that principle, regardless of governing party.  Obama has sent warships and bombers through the Chinese exclusion zones to defend freedom of  navigation, for example.  If missiles were fired at US warships in international waters, I think Obama will act.  Whether we will know about such actions is another story.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
What would you know about thinking?

What would you know about thinking?

136 or 142

Quote from: theONE on October 09, 2016, 10:22:51 PM
Absolutely no question about it, Donald was very swift tonight, start was bit slow, but after 10-15 minutes he was
intellectually raping and pillaging Hillary,coming back with sharp precise jabs, challenging moderators, 
he was much better then in the first debate.
Tonight Trump connected with average person's common sense.
He drove the message home that Hillary is just talk..for 30 years,
funny how what ever she said that she will fix Trump stopped her and ask her
why you didn't fix that already with your buddy Hussein Obama.

Trump grabbed Hillary by her ..brains tonight and swept the floor

If that's American common sense, then Donald Trump asked the best question of the night:
"How stupid is our country?"


136 or 142

Quote from: rekcuf on October 09, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
What would you know about thinking?

I've forgotten more about thinking than you'll ever know.

Jackstar

Quote from: Uncle Duke on October 09, 2016, 10:26:18 PM
Whether we will know about such actions is another story.

Uncle, may I sit on your knee while you tell us what you think happened to the U.S.S. Donald Cook?

GravitySucks

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:29:40 PM
I've forgotten more about thinking than you'll ever know.

Explains even more.

chefist

I don't know where all the marbles will fall after tonight"s debate...but I'm content with Trump's content...excited to see what happens tomorrow...

136 or 142

Quote from: GravitySucks on October 09, 2016, 10:30:11 PM
Explains even more.

How about you explain why you regard paranoid conspiracy theory sites as being credible?

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Jackstar on October 09, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
Uncle, may I sit on your knee while you tell us what you think happened to the U.S.S. Donald Cook?

You mean other than it getting buzzed by Russian fighters?

Jackstar

Did that happen? Like seriously, how am I supposed to check that, come on. Hence the knee.

GravitySucks

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:35:07 PM
How about you explain why you regard paranoid conspiracy theory sites as being credible?

LOL, I don't. I like sending you chasing rabbits.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Jackstar on October 09, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
Uncle, may I sit on your knee while you tell us what you think happened to the U.S.S. Donald Cook?

In response to the U.S. Secretary of State commenting on the incident and saying that "under the rules of engagement, that could have been a shoot-down",[20] the Russian Federation Council′s official Igor Morozov said that the U.S. likewise "ought to know that Donald Cook approached our borders and may already be unable to depart those."


theONE

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:27:33 PM
If that's American common sense, then Donald Trump asked the best question of the night:
"How stupid is our country?"

Country is not stupid. Some people are.
Especially if they vote for woman who admitted of deleting 33000 emails and calls that a mistake.
No that was not a mistake, that was a deliberate action,deliberate !!!

OK, she claims that those were private emails,..so why she said today that it was a mistake to delete them?
if they were private emails than there was no mistake in deleting them, it would be her right to delete them whenever she want it,
and would be no need to apologize for deleting them,..you see the BS coming from her mouth? Do you ?
Her story makes no sense

136 or 142

Quote from: theONE on October 09, 2016, 10:50:27 PM
Country is not stupid. Some people are.
Especially if they vote for woman who admitted of deleting 33000 emails and calls that a mistake.
No that was not a mistake, that was a deliberate action,deliberate !!!

OK, she claims that those were private emails,..so why she is said today that it was a mistake to delete them?
if they were private emails than there was no mistake in deleting them, it would be her right to delete them whenever she want it,
and would be no need to apologize for deleting them,..you see the BS coming from her mouth? Do you ?
Her story makes no sense

Yes, the idiot Trumptards are the stupid Americans.


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Jackstar on October 09, 2016, 10:40:53 PM
Did that happen? Like seriously, how am I supposed to check that, come on. Hence the knee.

*laughs*  Considering both the US and Russians agreed the incidents occurred, then yeah I think it actually happened. Of course both sides put a different spin on the incidents, the US claiming the fly-bys were dangerous and reckless, the Russians saying they were within internationally accepted standards (or whatever legalese terminology they used), but that's par for the course.


norland2424

Quote from: Uncle Duke on October 09, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
*laughs*  Considering both the US and Russians agreed the incidents occurred, then yeah I think it actually happened. Of course both sides put a different spin on the incidents, the US claiming the fly-bys were dangerous and reckless, the Russians saying they were within internationally accepted standards (or whatever legalese terminology they used), but that's par for the course.

the crew also took videos from what i remeber.

Uncle Duke

Quote from: norland2424 on October 09, 2016, 10:56:40 PM
the crew also took videos from what i remeber.

A good conspiracy theorist isn't impressed with videos, right Jack? 

theONE

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
Yes, the idiot Trumptards are the stupid Americans.
No, I didn't said that. Don't go Hillary on me and twist my words.
Even fly tonight smelled the BS coming from Hillary's mouth and landed on her.. :P


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albrecht

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 09, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/2013_Chicago_Homicide_Map.png/220px-2013_Chicago_Homicide_Map.png
http://www.wordsinspace.net/urban-media-archaeology/2010-fall/2010/10/20/map-critique-radical-cartographys-chicago-boundaries/chicagodots_race_big-360/

Unfortunately the ethnic breakdown is for 2000.  But it's a start.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831577/
School Violent Crime and Academic Achievement in Chicago*

http://chicagopolicyreview.org/2016/01/08/feel-it-in-the-air-pollution-and-crime-in-chicago/
376488289_daf46015e2_b
FEEL IT IN THE AIR: POLLUTION AND CRIME IN CHICAGO

Chicago is notorious for its high crime rates. As noted by the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab, risk factors associated with crime include gender, age, race, economic status, exposure to violence, and community instability. A recent study ventures beyond individual and community characteristics to investigate how environmental factors may also affect crime. The study identifies a significant relationship between air pollution and criminal behavior. The researchers estimate that Chicago incurs $1.8 million in annual crime-related costsâ€"a level that more than justifies further evaluation.

http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/06/01/sf.sow041.abstract
Neighborhood Violent Crime and Academic Growth in Chicago: Lasting Effects of Early Exposure

https://crimelab.uchicago.edu/page/guns

https://crimelab.uchicago.edu/page/crime-lab-and-education-lab%E2%80%99s-current-large-scale-study-becoming-man-bam-and-match-tutoring
Crime Lab and Education Lab’s current large-scale study of Becoming a Man (BAM) and Match Tutoring

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/race-society/analyzing-crime-urban-violence-after-ferguson-research-perspectives-data
Analyzing race, crime and urban violence, after Ferguson: Research perspectives and data

That enough for a start?

This probably has all the publicly available journal articles on crime in Chicago since 2012
https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?as_ylo=2012&q=crime+in+chicago&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5
Sorry, like you I'll only look at headline links. Ha. So, tell me? Who founded U of Chicago? Capitalists. Evil men
Zimbabe vs Rhodesia. Or the Rainbow Nation verus the old. With your vaunted "economic models?" For sake of argument and everything is economics? Geez, by your models racism would be standard theory. Not everything is economic or, as Hillary says, "super predators."

SciFiAuthor

This debate may have had the most inept moderation in the history of modern debate moderation, even Crowley.

theONE

That fly was very determined to feast on Hillary's BS tonight,
or maybe that is Hillary's pet fly letting Hillary know when too much bullshit is coming from her mouth

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