Muslim Terrorism in Brussels. 2 Explosions at Airport. Many Dead.

[WOTR]

Talk about strawman and bullshit. Man, I am telling you people. Fucking ignorant as hell. I understand fear, I don't want to get blown up either, believe me. But Jesus and Mohammad on a paddleboat, you all are fucked in the head.
I just gave you a story aout a family I have known for 15 years. 15 fucking years. And you still question shit.

It is a bad time to try to reason with people, Coaster.  Any time there is an attack, people seem to "go extreme".  I still have not read the usual comment to turn the middle east into glass (though I'm sure it will be here shortly.)

I wouldn't judge too harshly right now... Things will settle down and some people will return to the reasonable person that you remember (of course, some will always be jackasses.)  I am guessing that there are a lot of people who do not actually know any Muslims and to them it is an abstract concept (and, therefore, easy to say "kill them all.")

Here I am presuming that you recognize that I am a sarcastic bastard and that I am not on your ignore list for my "kill them all" comments.

[WOTR]

would you trust them to do the same? If you married the young woman (age aside) would they permit it and would they insist she go to a mosque? P.S. we only use pitchforks when terrorizing Fankenstein.

Who cares?  Are they terrorists if they would prefer their daughter to attend Mosque and marry somebody of the same faith?  Do you know how many Christians still follow 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (and the other 33 bible verses found here advising Christians to ONLY marry Christians... https://www.openbible.info/topics/marrying_a_non-christian)

So, really, who the hell cares what their wishes for their daughter may be (providing that it is not that she blow herself up in a blaze of glory...)

[mikuthing01]

So, really, who the hell cares what their wishes for their daughter may be (providing that it is not that she blow herself up in a blaze of glory...)

ALLAHU AKBAR!

[WOTR]

ALLAHU AKBAR!

Yup.  I'm worried now.  My solution is to train the kids in my neighbourhood to defend against those scary muslims...  And I'm starting them younger for the element of surprise.

Don't worry, they are all crackers and not brown skinned.




***I should probably state that I do not even have words for that first picture...

[VtaGeezer]

Any argument presuming that a significant number of people want to kill Muslims because of their religion is bogus.  Don't take the bait. The only people espousing that are as self-radicalized as ISIS fanbois and play into the hands of the kumbaya crowd who want to beat those who look at Islam with deserved mistrust over the head with it.

[mikuthing01]

Yup.  I'm worried now.  My solution is to train the kids in my neighbourhood to defend against those scary muslims...  And I'm starting them younger for the element of surprise.

Don't worry, they are all crackers and not brown skinned.
***I should probably state that I do not even have words for that first picture...

First 2 pictures are toys the third is a .22 that boy has a bretty cool dad all i had when i was that old was a old bolt action Marlin .22

[Dr. MD MD]

this thread is so fucking nauseating. I had no idea so many of you were fucking idiots. I learned my lesson.

I knew it all along. You're the only smart one  :

[WOTR]

First 2 pictures are toys the third is a .22 that boy has a bretty cool dad all i had when i was that old was a old bolt action Marlin .22

Why are we having this conversation?  I suppose that I could post the picture that I have of my sisters kids firing a gun when they were 7... It was a damn sweet weapon, and chambered in 5.56 (sorry, I cannot recall exactly what it was as it was not mine... I just remember it had a great scope, a brake and a really nice feel... Mine have a little too much kick for the girls.)

The point is that it is neither good, nor bad to shoot.  That kid in your picture may well need to know how to handle a gun in the future.  Pretty certain that ISIS does not approve of females running around dressed like that.  If anything, you should probably be glad she is learning.  Maybe she will take one of "them" out before they take you out. 

[Uncle Duke]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35879236

Belgians have captured third man from airport.  Attacks like this don't happen overnight and require a substantial support and logistics chain.  There have to be more people involved than just those operational types who carried out the attacks. 

[akwilly]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35879236

Belgians have captured third man from airport.  Attacks like this don't happen overnight and require a substantial support and logistics chain.  There have to be more people involved than just those operational types who carried out the attacks.

very true. I am glad they got the bastard alive

[albrecht]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35879236

Belgians have captured third man from airport.  Attacks like this don't happen overnight and require a substantial support and logistics chain.  There have to be more people involved than just those operational types who carried out the attacks.

Apparently the 3rd man is still on the run? Though reports conflicting. But the two brothers with obviously Belgian names (I think Flemish) have been identified:
"In 2010, Ibrahim El Bakraoui was sentenced to 9 years in prison for shooting at police with an assault rifle during a robbery.  Khalid El Bakraoui was arrested for possession of Kalashnikovs in 2011 and had been sentenced to 5 years in prison for "carjackings." "

[whoozit]

I'm not normally a hateful person, but I really do wish you would die in a fire.

...but when I am watch out! 

[qaddisin]

Had a bit of a reaction when I saw I made the top right.



But I really did get tired of his shit.

The reality is that there are 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet. If the entire religion wanted us dead, we'd be dead.

[whoozit]

I understand where you were coming from.

[bateman]

Obama: Defeat ISIS 'By Saying You Are Not Strong, You Are Weak'

That oughta do it, Barry.

[albrecht]

Obama: Defeat ISIS 'By Saying You Are Not Strong, You Are Weak'

That oughta do it, Barry.

Do we have to continue to use our JV team or do the latest bombings mean we can play our varsity players now?

I find it amazing that sometimes the first responses are ways to down-play the threat or hand-wring about how we can't get all get along and how we must "accommodate." How about we demand immigrants, whether Muslim or our friends from the south, "accommodate" into our cultures and abide by our rules, languages, and customs? Or vett them before them come over and maybe even monitor them if they over-stay their VISA or endorse radical notions in social media, etc. Of course it can't happen here but I would, like Switzerland did, limit/ban mosques and Islamic "schools" and like France did ban some garb.

[bateman]

Do we have to continue to use our JV team or do the latest bombings mean we can play our varsity players now?

I find it amazing that sometimes the first responses are ways to down-play the threat or hand-wring about how we can't get all get along and how we must "accommodate." How about we demand immigrants, whether Muslim or our friends from the south, "accommodate" into our cultures and abide by our rules, languages, and customs? Or vett them before them come over and maybe even monitor them if they over-stay their VISA or endorse radical notions in social media, etc. Of course it can't happen here but I would, like Switzerland did, limit/ban mosques and Islamic "schools" and like France did ban some garb.

Sure, I agree with the gist of this, but in some cases, terrorists are very well assimilated. There's definitely a problem of Europe in general allowing 'parallel societies' to metastasize, but it's definitely not limited to enclaves like Molenbeek.

[bateman]

ISIS' new directive is to 'hit everyone and everything' using semi-autonomous cells

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/03/22/new-normal-for-europe/xN6WfMy3W6kTjIJkPWKojM/story.html

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRUSSELS_ATTACKS_CELLS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-23-15-15-46

[albrecht]

Sure, I agree with the gist of this, but in some cases, terrorists are very well assimilated. There's definitely a problem of Europe in general allowing 'parallel societies' to metastasize, but it's definitely not limited to enclaves like Molenbeek.

Here is where I rant because I've seen it first hand, and it is crazy. And I'm not even talking "terrorism" but just neighborhood, culture, safety, changing or being lowered.

This is where folks will resort to calling me "racist" but I've lived in a neighbor in Holland that went primarily Muslim (Moroccans mainly) and it went to shit with the trash, petty crime, etc. Not terrorism (yet) but just from poor people who had no manners, imported their family relations, etc. They would even do stupid stuff like try to steal water or gas and cause sickness (because they patched into wrong pipe) or fires. I didn't see any rapes but recall before I left that girls would get severe stares at the market by the Muslim men (it happened to be a neighborhood in which one of the main markets was so to go buy fresh fish, etc you would have to deal with the Muslims now living there. It was actually sort of funny; the contrast between the Dutch farmers and fisherman who bring in their wares and the new immigrants living there (and one's setting up their own table to sell knock-off clothes, pirated CD/DVDs, etc.) And worse, much of the time, due to the insane laws, many of the immigrants were on the dole and even prohibited from work (!) whilst their paperwork gets sorted. Once approved they also would know the laws very well. Precisely to the day when they could quit, or get fired, from a job and get back on the dole since they are now Dutch residents or citizens. I'm not as familiar with the situation now but, I imagine, worse.

Allowing unfettered immigration with limited integration or assimilation into society and ghettoization is precisely the worse immigration scheme. Same with an open-border that allows anybody to come in and severe demographic shifts; and problems.

It is similar, in a way, if you ever lived in an area with our illegals Bush/Obama let's in. They often live many men to a house, don't maintain yards, don't mow lawn (their lawn  ) even park their trucks on the lawn, etc which was a problem, or at least eye-sore, in the past but NOW they aren't doing that, as much, but bringing their wife/family over and burdening our schools, healthcare system, etc.

(note I'm not even talking whatever crime or terrorism the unfettered immigration brings but even just basic headaches and aesthetic problems.) The real costs are likely astronomical, especially with the crime, terrorism (and shut downs for terrorism,) education, healthcare, disease, social benefit payments, tax fraud, etc.

[pyewacket]

Obama: Defeat ISIS 'By Saying You Are Not Strong, You Are Weak'

That oughta do it, Barry.

Haha- About as well as this works.

[qaddisin]

Here is where I rant because I've seen it first hand, and it is crazy. And I'm not even talking "terrorism" but just neighborhood, culture, safety, changing or being lowered.

This is where folks will resort to calling me "racist" <snip>

Here's the thing: a lot of the problems you've just described aren't limited to Muslims. These problems exist in predominantly black neighborhoods, predominantly hispanic neighborhoods, and white trash neighborhoods. Florida has a ton of all of them, and I used to seem them everyday when I worked in the adult beverage distribution industry.

I would prefer to think that you're a decent person, but you have this laser focus on groups that you seem terrified of, while glossing over the fact that there are people born here, and whose families have likely been here for at least a couple of generations, who do the exact same thing. There are times I have seen you describe the groups that scare you as less than human, and it's really disconcerting to me that you or anyone else can think that way.

One of the things that Trump does that bothers the hell out of me is that he will take a group (Muslims, Mexicans, reporters, etc), and say that they are all scumbags, but as an afterthought say "I'm sure some of them are nice people", then go back to describing the entire group as the lowest form of life on the planet. A lot of your posts do something similar, but you don't even bother with the sentiment that some of them redeemable.

While I don't entirely disagree with you that culture and heritage is to blame, I believe the biggest problem is that people, not just Muslims or Mexicans or blacks or white trash, are dumb panicky animals who will lash out when they think something is threatening them because they don't know any better. Sometimes the threats are real, and I agree that there are times we need to stand up to them, but to paint entire groups with the same brush because a minority of them could very well be dangerous is myopic at best.

[Value Of Pi]

Here's the thing: a lot of the problems you've just described aren't limited to Muslims. These problems exist in predominantly black neighborhoods, predominantly hispanic neighborhoods, and white trash neighborhoods. Florida has a ton of all of them, and I used to seem them everyday when I worked in the adult beverage distribution industry.

I would prefer to think that you're a decent person, but you have this laser focus on groups that you seem terrified of, while glossing over the fact that there are people born here, and whose families have likely been here for at least a couple of generations, who do the exact same thing. There are times I have seen you describe the groups that scare you as less than human, and it's really disconcerting to me that you or anyone else can think that way.

One of the things that Trump does that bothers the hell out of me is that he will take a group (Muslims, Mexicans, reporters, etc), and say that they are all scumbags, but as an afterthought say "I'm sure some of them are nice people", then go back to describing the entire group as the lowest form of life on the planet. A lot of your posts do something similar, but you don't even bother with the sentiment that some of them redeemable.

While I don't entirely disagree with you that culture and heritage is to blame, I believe the biggest problem is that people, not just Muslims or Mexicans or blacks or white trash, are dumb panicky animals who will lash out when they think something is threatening them because they don't know any better. Sometimes the threats are real, and I agree that there are times we need to stand up to them, but to paint entire groups with the same brush because a minority of them could very well be dangerous is myopic at best.

What you're pointing to, I think, is an overreaction to the effects of the lack of action by governments in dealing with immigration problems, particularly in Europe. IMO, the best way to deal with the overreaction is by taking effective. visible enforcement action.

My focus now is on Europe and specifically on immigrant areas that harbor terrorists. Governments need to show that they are going to take on the terrorist threat in a targeted way, not by condemning entire groups of immigrants. (Killing people and being a burden on society are two different problems.)

Belgium should start with Molenbeek. You can't allow a safe haven and base for terrorists to exist within your country and expect to stop terrorists from killing your citizens (and citizens of other countries, as in Paris).

From what I've seen and read, this area is virtually impenetrable for Belgian authorities. Terrorists can hide in plain sight while they build explosives and plan attacks. Authorities are powerless to stop them, in part because the local population cooperates with the bad guys, not the authorities.

I would figure out a plan to evacuate all of Molenbeek, thoroughly search it for weapons and explosives, and screen every resident for terrorist ties before allowing them to return. The piecemeal approach of trying to pick up scraps of information and raiding individual residences isn't working. I would do all of this legally and with no unnecessary use of force, but I would not be reluctant to take this action for fear of offending anyone.

Oh, it will be expensive and extremely labor intensive. To that I say, have you people something better to do with your time and money than protecting your citizens from terrorists? I think not.

[albrecht]

Here's the thing: a lot of the problems you've just described aren't limited to Muslims. These problems exist in predominantly black neighborhoods, predominantly hispanic neighborhoods, and white trash neighborhoods. Florida has a ton of all of them, and I used to seem them everyday when I worked in the adult beverage distribution industry.

I would prefer to think that you're a decent person, but you have this laser focus on groups that you seem terrified of, while glossing over the fact that there are people born here, and whose families have likely been here for at least a couple of generations, who do the exact same thing. There are times I have seen you describe the groups that scare you as less than human, and it's really disconcerting to me that you or anyone else can think that way.

One of the things that Trump does that bothers the hell out of me is that he will take a group (Muslims, Mexicans, reporters, etc), and say that they are all scumbags, but as an afterthought say "I'm sure some of them are nice people", then go back to describing the entire group as the lowest form of life on the planet. A lot of your posts do something similar, but you don't even bother with the sentiment that some of them redeemable.

While I don't entirely disagree with you that culture and heritage is to blame, I believe the biggest problem is that people, not just Muslims or Mexicans or blacks or white trash, are dumb panicky animals who will lash out when they think something is threatening them because they don't know any better. Sometimes the threats are real, and I agree that there are times we need to stand up to them, but to paint entire groups with the same brush because a minority of them could very well be dangerous is myopic at best.

True, we have (depending on country) lots of problems with blacks, poor white trash, Hispanics, illegals, immigrants already here etc , as you mention. So how does an open-border or importing more help solve those situation? What, we think if we let the Cartels or MS-13 in they will solve our Crips or Bloods problem? Importing children, often illiterate in their own language, will help our schools? Importing fighting-age Muslim males from countries have civil and religious wars whose background or even identity we cannot verify in will help with any terrorism problem? Importing diseased people or people without any health insurance will help our heath care system?

[VtaGeezer]

But we got another No. 2 ISIS guy today!  OTOH, maybe "No. 2" guy just means a guy blown up while on the crapper.

[albrecht]

A well-liked Muslim shop-keeper in Glasgow who wished the "Christian country" a happy Easter in a public message was later stabbed to death by a fellow Muslim.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-arrested-over-death-glasgow-7628936
http://www.newsforscotland.com/news/muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-to-death-in-glasgow-wished-his-beloved-christian-nation-a-happy-easter
What a crazy and sad thing.

[Dr. MD MD]

A well-liked Muslim shop-keeper in Glasgow who wished the "Christian country" a happy Easter in a public message was later stabbed to death by a fellow Muslim.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-arrested-over-death-glasgow-7628936
http://www.newsforscotland.com/news/muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-to-death-in-glasgow-wished-his-beloved-christian-nation-a-happy-easter
What a crazy and sad thing.

Never hear about a Christian stabbing another Christian for wishing Muslims a happy Ramadan or for just being so nice and welcoming to them in the first place...or a Jew for that matter. Just sayin.

[WOTR]

I love how it is only terrorism in the west that we collectively care about.  I know... The dead today in the soccer stadium had it coming for living in a country with Muslims.  We should demand security in the west, but certainly in a place like Iraq you should expect to have your children blown up if you attend a public event regardless of your religion or politics.

We have done an excellent job at dehumanizing "them."  Besides, it is only 30 dead and 60 injured.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/25/suicide-bomb-blast-kills-25-soccer-stadium-south-baghdad/82259240/

(Yes, I post this here fully realizing the ignorant responses likely to ensue.)

[albrecht]

I love how it is only terrorism in the west that we collectively care about.  I know... The dead today in the soccer stadium had it coming for living in a country with Muslims.  We should demand security in the west, but certainly in a place like Iraq you should expect to have your children blown up if you attend a public event regardless of your religion or politics.

We have done an excellent job at dehumanizing "them."  Besides, it is only 30 dead and 60 injured.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/25/suicide-bomb-blast-kills-25-soccer-stadium-south-baghdad/82259240/

(Yes, I post this here fully realizing the ignorant responses likely to ensue.)

Yeah some bombings in Turkey also recently and they are in NATO, but Muslim. A soccer match even had to be postponed. As I've said before it is a pretty awful religion in many cases and at its base and one that we shouldn't be supporting or importing. And as you mention, some of the worst actions is Muslim vs Muslim. You think Muslims do atrocities on Christian, Jew, Zoroastrians, Yazadis, etc? Sure, but watch what they do throughout the history of Islam with the fighting amongst each other over the "proper" lineage/tradition of the religion from Muhammad, peace-not-be-upon-him! Muslims enjoy killing each other even more than they enjoy killing a Jew or other infidel! Look at how they often treat their own people or things (other Muslims, women, girls, homosexuals, animals, precious historical sites, etc) and it will give you a quick hint as to why we don't need more in our countries.

[Dr. MD MD]

I love how it is only terrorism in the west that we collectively care about.  I know... The dead today in the soccer stadium had it coming for living in a country with Muslims.  We should demand security in the west, but certainly in a place like Iraq you should expect to have your children blown up if you attend a public event regardless of your religion or politics.

We have done an excellent job at dehumanizing "them."  Besides, it is only 30 dead and 60 injured.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/25/suicide-bomb-blast-kills-25-soccer-stadium-south-baghdad/82259240/

(Yes, I post this here fully realizing the ignorant responses likely to ensue.)

I really think you should speak for yourself instead of saying, "We have done an excellent job at dehumanizing them." What I've witnessed is most people wanting and trying to be very generous and getting back nothing but a bunch of reasons to regret that. I think when you try to kill as many people as you can in the name of your religion that they're doing a fine job of dehumanizing themselves. Not absolutely everything is the fault of white European settlers to America, though they committed their share of atrocities too.

Also, when you say stupid shit like, "Besides, it is only 30 dead and 60 injured." you remind me of a caller to MITD last night who reasoned that since more people kill themselves from suicide than are killed by ISIS that it wasn't such a bad thing overall that they're doing that. You might want to look up the phrase specious reasoning and maybe take a class in basic logic somewhere. Just trying to help. 

[VtaGeezer]

We have done an excellent job at dehumanizing "them."

I think they've done a fair job of dehumanizing themselves by fifty years of shrugging (or cheering) when these massacres are carried out in the name of their "religion".  The radicals have learned that the West's tolerance and naive PCism are major weapons in their arsenal.