Muslim Terrorism in Brussels. 2 Explosions at Airport. Many Dead.

[albrecht]

Has Obama or any other Dem spoke out yet for tolerance for Muslims?

I think Obama interrupted his baseball game watching party in Cuba for a less than one minute comment on the latest Brussels terrorist attack which ISIS, or ISIL as Obama calls them out of deference, claims responsibility . Being such a "JV" squad he cannot be tasked with any real concern over it, other than it might result in some Islamophobia or portend badly for the open-borders and unlimited immigration candidates. The State Dept issued a travel alert for Europe and DHS has initiated some heightened security measures at some of our transportation hubs. The border remains open, essentially, and the "refugee" and immigration policies remain unchanged, and in some cases, like with Cubans and Somalians accelerated.

[Dr. MD MD]

It honestly feels like grade school here. The only time an entire group of people are to blame, is if an entire group of people are doing something. If that's not the case, you are blaming innocent people of a crime they did not commit.
How many muslim extremists are there? Compare that with the number of muslims around the world. would it be 100% of them committing terrorism? probably not. 50%? very doubtful. maybe 1%? not even fucking close.
heres some math some of you knucklehead preschoolers may understand. If I have one bucket that contains millions upon millions of apples, and there are a few rotten ones. how many are left? Should we figure out a way to get rid of the bad ones? Or should we just throw the whole bushel out?
before you answer, remember. you have people like this- one of you terrorism experts who advocated killing all muslims, please, give me the math. because I am not understanding your reasoning for being fucking retarded. also, drink milk and eat your veggies.
drunk Coaster OUT!

I won't dispute what you're saying because 1. You're drunk, and 2. It's most likely factually true anyway. What you're either intentionally ignoring or just not seeing is the pervasiveness of the idea within the religion itself. The conundrum is that to all Muslims the Koran is presented as the last word on spiritual matters. No further discussion will be tolerated. You might then also want to look at what that book says in regard to apostates. No matter how small the percentage of true fundamentalists in Islam without some sort of reformation this trend is bound to keep growing and then what?

[akwilly]

It honestly feels like grade school here. The only time an entire group of people are to blame, is if an entire group of people are doing something. If that's not the case, you are blaming innocent people of a crime they did not commit.
How many muslim extremists are there? Compare that with the number of muslims around the world. would it be 100% of them committing terrorism? probably not. 50%? very doubtful. maybe 1%? not even fucking close.
heres some math some of you knucklehead preschoolers may understand. If I have one bucket that contains millions upon millions of apples, and there are a few rotten ones. how many are left? Should we figure out a way to get rid of the bad ones? Or should we just throw the whole bushel out?
before you answer, remember. you have people like this- one of you terrorism experts who advocated killing all muslims, please, give me the math. because I am not understanding your reasoning for being fucking retarded. also, drink milk and eat your veggies.
drunk Coaster OUT!

My outrage is with the majority of Muslims that don't seem to be outraged when these things happen. Sure some of them get on TV and say the right things but what action are they taking to curb the radicalization of their kind? I remember MV on a gabcast talking about a little kid that goes to his wifes mosque and he was telling MV why Sharia law would be a good thing. The kid has to be learning this from his family and I'm guessing the people at the mosque aren't doing much to change his mind.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

He was a colorful personality and I'm sorry for his family. He also had the best excuse ever for smoking crack: I was drunk! Not the usual political denial or even trying to turn it into some public cause or sympathy.

I'd forgotten that refreshing and all too rare bit of political candor! I gave him kudos for it at the time! 

Although, and I'll try not to be indelicate, he definitely overshared with his comment about "having all I can eat at home" in response to a question about an accusation of sexual harassment.  I imagine his wife was none to happy about that.

[coaster]

Call me old fashioned, but I don't think you can judge a person you do not know because of something someone else did.

[albrecht]

I won't dispute what you're saying because 1. You're drunk, and 2. It's most likely factually true anyway. What you're either intentionally ignoring or just not seeing is the pervasiveness of the idea within the religion itself. The conundrum is that to all Muslims the Koran is presented as the last word on spiritual matters. No further discussion will be tolerated. You might then also want to look at what that book says in regard to apostates. No matter how small the percentage of true fundamentalists in Islam without some sort of reformation this trend is bound to keep growing and then what?

Even if there is even just 1% of the Muslim "refugees" and immigrants allowed in our countries and maybe a few 3-5% who would actively support, harbor, not grass/inform on, etc and then another larger percentage who would ignore or secretly support? That is a huge problem in relative free societies with access to travel, finance, weapons, etc!!  The numbers are likely higher but, for sake of argument, assume only 1% want to actively suicide bomb, shoot up, rape, attack, burn, etc? That is a lot of potential problems and that number doesn't include just the normal day-to-day criminality or resentment of their countries of some of 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims (mostly in Europe.) And they, often, will have passports, know the language, and can facilitate much mayhem, if they wish. And look at a great number of the "refugees" or illegals we are getting? Either children or "fighting age" young men. Both are current, or future, criminal problems- ignoring religion, motivation, education, etc but just because males of a certain age are more likely to commit crimes and violence and more so if poor, marginalized, etc. Our immigration schemes are CRAZY or suicidal and Brussels proved it, once again.

[coaster]

I won't dispute what you're saying because 1. You're drunk, and 2. It's most likely factually true anyway. What you're either intentionally ignoring or just not seeing is the pervasiveness of the idea within the religion itself. The conundrum is that to all Muslims the Koran is presented as the last word on spiritual matters. No further discussion will be tolerated. You might then also want to look at what that book says in regard to apostates. No matter how small the percentage of true fundamentalists in Islam without some sort of reformation this trend is bound to keep growing and then what?

The book I was raised on told me to beat my kids and wife if they misbehaved. Thats why I moved on to non-fiction bud. Are you smarter than they are? Act like it.

[Dr. MD MD]

The book I was raised on told me to beat my kids and wife if they misbehaved. Thats why I moved on to non-fiction bud. Are you smarter than they are? Act like it.

Right. So, how many Christians or Jews do you think are like you in that regard? Do you see this as a growing trend in those religions? I think we have sufficient evidence that it is a growing trend in this one 

[albrecht]

The book I was raised on told me to beat my kids and wife if they misbehaved. Thats why I moved on to non-fiction bud. Are you smarter than they are? Act like it.

One of my old secretaries from Russia told me a Russian folk-saying. Not sure if I get it exactly but I will paraphrase it but she said it went something like this:
"beat your wife everyday, if you don't know why- she will."

[akwilly]

One of my old secretaries from Russia told me a Russian folk-saying. Not sure if I get it exactly but I will paraphrase it but she said it went something like this:
"beat your wife everyday, if you don't know why- she will."

Please tell me you gave her a promotion.

[coaster]

What you're either intentionally ignoring or just not seeing is the pervasiveness of the idea within the religion itself.

Yeah, I know.  I must be thick headed to think 1.6 billion folks are not coming to kill us, and that literally all of them are content and at peace living their lives, just trying to get through a day without hayseeds calling them criminals. Stupid fucking me. Strap your boots on fellas, we are going to war. Like now. NOW!!!! Ack.

[albrecht]

Please tell me you gave her a promotion.

Well, I hired her (I can't understand why in the US we aren't allowed to demand photos and personal information on CVs or during the hiring process! Makes it so much easier.)  but then she found a husband and quit to raise a family (and gain residency status.) A fun gal and she'd mention lots of crazy Russian superstitions etc which all seemed to be problematic for a functioning society (like if a bottle of vodka is opened it must be finished, and no more than 3 people on a bottle. haha.)

[coaster]

Here is a story if anyone with a level head will read.
back in 2001, I was young. 21 years old. When it happened, I was the first to scream "Bush is gonna kick their ass, yeehaw". I was young. Not entirely bright when it came to politics. Didn't care. We were America.
Then I moved.
I met a wonderful family next door. They were Muslim. They had a baby.
Fast forward to July 4 2015. I am at the lake celebrating Independence Day with a wonderful family I have known for years. The little one is a bright young woman. We are laughing, enjoying the fireworks thoroughly. Happy to be at home.
Now stop.
I have one person saying earlier that if I am against murdering this beautiful family, I am either an apologist or an enemy. Or I just don't understand.
Tell me what was wrong with my math or what was wrong with me pointing out this thug mentality. I would like to know. Because honestly, if it was time to throw down with hoohaw rednecks, I would be standing in front of my friend's front door kicking some serious ass out of all you pitchfork carrying sob's.

[Dr. MD MD]

Yeah, I know.  I must be thick headed to think 1.6 billion folks are not coming to kill us, and that literally all of them are content and at peace living their lives, just trying to get through a day without hayseeds calling them criminals. Stupid fucking me. Strap your boots on fellas, we are going to war. Like now. NOW!!!! Ack.

You're having fun playing with numbers 

No one said they feared a flood of the entire world's population of Muslims to attack the West. However, as it's been pointed out, even if it's only 1% that's still a very sizable number. Furthermore, you, like so many others, still refuse to face the real problem within the religion itself. Perhaps it is a problem for all prophetic religions, really. Perhaps there should be some sort of world religions council at some point in the future to sort a lot of this stuff out. Personally, I'd like it if Catholics could stop being and supporting pedophiles. Again, I realize the actual number of them doing it is very low but you really don't hear about pedophilia being institutionalized in other religions the way it has been in Catholicism. Right now, however, Islam seems to be the only religion officially sanctioning a holy war. This is what's causing most if not all of the problems like people being blown up and stuff. If we keep trying to dance to this "Islam is a religion of peace." song there will continue to be a lot of empty shoes piling up at the old dance hall...and not because it's a sock-hop either 

[akwilly]

Here is a story if anyone with a level head will read.
back in 2001, I was young. 21 years old. When it happened, I was the first to scream "Bush is gonna kick their ass, yeehaw". I was young. Not entirely bright when it came to politics. Didn't care. We were America.
Then I moved.
I met a wonderful family next door. They were Muslim. They had a baby.
Fast forward to July 4 2015. I am at the lake celebrating Independence Day with a wonderful family I have known for years. The little one is a bright young woman. We are laughing, enjoying the fireworks thoroughly. Happy to be at home.
Now stop.
I have one person saying earlier that if I am against murdering this beautiful family, I am either an apologist or an enemy. Or I just don't understand.
Tell me what was wrong with my math or what was wrong with me pointing out this thug mentality. I would like to know. Because honestly, if it was time to throw down with hoohaw rednecks, I would be standing in front of my friend's front door kicking some serious ass out of all you pitchfork carrying sob's.

would you trust them to do the same? If you married the young woman (age aside) would they permit it and would they insist she go to a mosque? P.S. we only use pitchforks when terrorizing Fankenstein.

[Value Of Pi]

I'm sure you can think of many reason why that might be. Their connections to and strong standing in the financial and scientific world being chief among them. Also, unlike most religions, they're not trying to proselytise anyone. I'm not saying Israel is great. I really think they have too much influence in the world for such a small population of people on the planet but compared to the alternative we're now facing?! 

There would be a lot more of them today (Jews and Israelis) if, historically, people weren't always trying to kill them. As it stands, Jews are a small group of people with a big history and tradition, plus major influence on civilization. The lack of proportionality is paradoxical and confusing to many people, I would say.

[coaster]

would you trust them to do the same? If you married the young woman (age aside) would they permit it and would they insist she go to a mosque? P.S. we only use pitchforks when terrorizing Fankenstein.

Well heres a question. Should I trust you? You're not Muslim. Answer me this, honestly. Should I trust you over a family I have known for over a decade?
Of course right? You're not Muslim. Can I crash on your couch?

[Dr. MD MD]

Here is a story if anyone with a level head will read.
back in 2001, I was young. 21 years old. When it happened, I was the first to scream "Bush is gonna kick their ass, yeehaw". I was young. Not entirely bright when it came to politics. Didn't care. We were America.
Then I moved.
I met a wonderful family next door. They were Muslim. They had a baby.
Fast forward to July 4 2015. I am at the lake celebrating Independence Day with a wonderful family I have known for years. The little one is a bright young woman. We are laughing, enjoying the fireworks thoroughly. Happy to be at home.
Now stop.
I have one person saying earlier that if I am against murdering this beautiful family, I am either an apologist or an enemy. Or I just don't understand.
Tell me what was wrong with my math or what was wrong with me pointing out this thug mentality. I would like to know. Because honestly, if it was time to throw down with hoohaw rednecks, I would be standing in front of my friend's front door kicking some serious ass out of all you pitchfork carrying sob's.

You're even starting to sound like Noory now. Better change the avatar icon soon  :

[akwilly]

Well heres a question. Should I trust you? You're not Muslim. Answer me this, honestly. Should I trust you over a family I have known for over a decade?
Of course right? You're not Muslim. Can I crash on your couch?

No I was serious. If you married their daughter would you feel pressure to make sure she attends a Mosque? Would they allow her to marry you?

[albrecht]

Here is a story if anyone with a level head will read.
back in 2001, I was young. 21 years old. When it happened, I was the first to scream "Bush is gonna kick their ass, yeehaw". I was young. Not entirely bright when it came to politics. Didn't care. We were America.
Then I moved.
I met a wonderful family next door. They were Muslim. They had a baby.
Fast forward to July 4 2015. I am at the lake celebrating Independence Day with a wonderful family I have known for years. The little one is a bright young woman. We are laughing, enjoying the fireworks thoroughly. Happy to be at home.
Now stop.
I have one person saying earlier that if I am against murdering this beautiful family, I am either an apologist or an enemy. Or I just don't understand.
Tell me what was wrong with my math or what was wrong with me pointing out this thug mentality. I would like to know. Because honestly, if it came down to throw down, I would be standing in front of my friend's front door kicking some serious ass out of all you pitchfork carrying sob's.

What a heartwarming story. I've been friends with a Muslim couple, former neighbors, (arranged marriage also) for decades. And he in particular is more secular than anybody and says the Saudis have ruined places like Pakistan with their funding of extremism and the schools. He no longer goes to Mosque (she does) or will ever go home. The last time she went home she said that she had to be covered from airport to family compound and none of the women will go out in public. She said as a school girl they worse dresses, went to school, learned English, went to movies, and, basically normal. Now the country has gone backwards even from days of pre-colonial rule.

There are plenty of "good Muslims" but is it worth the risk to not check identities or backgrounds of immigrants or VISA holders or anybody- but especially Muslims and those coming from backwards or war-torn lands? Just have an open-border or import mainly young males, without families, wealth, or job, from regions involved in civil wars into our countries? And why wouldn't they accept the 'burden' of some profiling considering they are guests or recent arrivals? Or if it would help show how much they are really against terrorism? If I visit your home and you ask me not to smoke, remove my shoes, or whatever I will abide by it- it is your home, your rules, and simply being polite. Why should we have to change our rules, culture, laws, etc to "accommodate" them? Or accept even a small percentage who due to some "sexual emergency" rapes a kid or due to some grievance wants to blow up a metro station?

[coaster]

Talk about strawman and bullshit. Man, I am telling you people. Fucking ignorant as hell. I understand fear, I don't want to get blown up either, believe me. But Jesus and Mohammad on a paddleboat, you all are fucked in the head.
I just gave you a story aout a family I have known for 15 years. 15 fucking years. And you still question shit.
wow. You guys have best friends you'd trust you knew lesser than that. truly ignorant. truly ignorant. and to think, i actually respected some of you.
woohoo, wow. yes, I must be ignorant too. must be stupid as fuck to think for one seconds you guys were the least bit intelligent.

[coaster]

There are plenty of "good Muslims"

should I even attempt to read the rest of your "bullshit"?.
Kinda like when Hitler said "sure, theres 'good jews'", but lets just gas em all so we can make sure."
Albrecht. This is what bugs me. You of all people always had interesting things to say in the past. What a shame, but you are without reason. This sucks, but I have to be done with you now. good luck.
only time i felt bad about ignoring someone. god damnit. fuck you albrecht.
edit-no ignore list. well isnt that about the way it goes. rest assured, ill ignore anyway. tis a shame.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I personally find the prejudice against Muslims and Jews kind of gross these days. I have zero problems with Western Muslims or Jews. There's aspects of each culture I find repugnant but I can say the about virtually any group of people.

At the same time, I think immigration controls need to be tightened. And I find the left so hypocritical about Islam that it makes my head spin. I also think importing hundreds of thousands of refugees who can't function in the western world to be pure insanity.

[albrecht]

should I even attempt to read the rest of your "bullshit"?.
Kinda like when Hitler said "sure, theres 'good jews'", but lets just gas em all so we can make sure."
Albrecht. This is what bugs me. You of all people always had interesting things to say in the past. What a shame, but you are without reason. This sucks, but I have to be done with you now. good luck.
only time i felt bad about ignoring someone. god damnit. fuck you albrecht.
edit-no ignore list. well isnt that about the way it goes. rest assured, ill ignore anyway. tis a shame.

I'm not sure when Hitler expressed such sentiment or made such a quote, but maybe he did at some point? Obviously that kind of reckoning Is crazy, as he was. Certainly after a tragic events like these latest exhibitions of 'peace' throughout Europe, and Brussells in particular, passions can run high. To me it is about individuals; not groups. But also logic and risk assessment. Importing 'fighting age' males with no vetting from any group en masse is crazy- whether Muslims or from near failed narco-states. Sorry if I offend but rather risk offense than some more kids raped or some other bombing. There is a reason that societies develop and there are borders. (Or even things like locks.) It is common-sense. I dont see why we must eliminate our civil rights, change our laws, accept violence or crime, or change our cultures to fight, or accommodate,  immigrants or others. Too my knowledge, or at least I try, not to offend or personally insult posters or people (usually not a logical, nor persuasive method.)

[GuerrillaUnReal]

[mikuthing01]

[akwilly]

damn

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Remember when I said Social Justice is just projecting all your failures on to others? We're reaching critical mass. Also notice Salon.com is the mecca for SJW writers yet they're so talented they fucked up the opening sentence.  :

[coaster]

passions can run high.

I wonder if this is could explain the level of ignorance on bellgab.  I would literally hate to hate you.
You have a level of ignorance that I don't have. Explain that. What am I? A pussy?
If they lined up every god damned muslim extremist in a line, I would lay down the biggest god damn fireball. open up fire on them. made sure they were dead. like you do cockroaches. I would kill. Me. I would fucking kill them dead.
The difference is you think children are ingrained with their hatred. Easy to think with our propaganda. But what about the 70 year old man who doesnt give a shit, just trying to get through  day. Did it slip through his fingers? The 16 year old girl who said "fuck that nonsense. I live here, but I am not about that". The entire generation of teeange muslims who want better things. thousands. millions of them. are you ready to say they are future "killers"?
Hell, you said my decades old friends were "good muslims"
you know what. maybe i am still drunk. you are a braying jackass. I am so tired of having to explain shit to you. ride trump to the white house. that first bomb is on your hands.
/not even a rant. fuck it. you're idiots

[coaster]

this thread is so fucking nauseating. I had no idea so many of you were fucking idiots. I learned my lesson.