Gun Shots Fired at Art Bell's Property Tonight

[Uncle Duke]

Roswells,

while I think most in this thread have only the best of intentions for Art (including me), Art's a big boy and I'm sure he is handling this just fine. Respectfully, I ask what is the point of issuing a FOIA request and posting Art's home address and other information? What is to be gained from that and how will that help Art? I don't think there is any harm in discussing the event but I don't get why any of that is relevant to what happened last night.

I'm not trying to be critical, I'm just genuinely curious. As for myself, I say we just wait until the show tonight and see what Art has to say (if he says anything about the incident at all). Art knows that we all have his back, and yes he is a public figure but I think he deserves, nay, needs his breathing room, too. 

I approach this differently than most probably due to having spent my time receiving/reviewing/researching/answering FOIA requests, not writing them.  The first thing hammered into our heads during training was the FOIA rules/public laws were the same for every one, and a requester's reason(s) for a FOIA request played no part in whether a meaningful response was provided.  In fact, we were not allowed to ask why information was being requested.  So when I see "why" and "what's to be gained" in this discussion, I see those as having no bearing on a request about documents covered by FOIA dealing with Art or anyone/anything else.

You may not like the fact someone plans to FOIA request documents concerning last night, but consider just about every FOIA request is going to make somebody unhappy.  But that's the beauty of the process, a request cannot be turned down because somebody doesn't like it or supplied documents may embarrass someone.  FOIA exists to keep public officials honest, to me that's paramount.  Also keep in mind there are specific criteria by which a FOIA request can be turned down.  I've never worked law enforcement, but I think it's safe bet no information would be released that would endanger the life of or otherwise imperil a member of the public as part of an investigation.  It's probably even a safer bet the FOIA approving officials in such situations are very conservative in deciding such requests/responses.

[Faustina]

I'd seriously consider hanging it up after what happened last night - especially if my family was so close. I wonder if Art is considering the same thing.

No.  Then you let the nut-job win.  That's jusr what he wants.  All Art needs to do is to hire an armed guard. 

[coaster]

No.  Then you let the nut-job win.  That's jusr what he wants.  All Art needs to do is to hire an armed guard.

We're assuming here. Who's to say if this shooter wants Art off the air? Like others have said, maybe it's just some drunk out shooting his gun off at random things.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Yeah a nice EMP event would do it. Weren't you paying attention last night?

Thankfully the NSA has backups.

[Faustina]

We're assuming here. Who's to say if this shooter wants Art off the air? Like others have said, maybe it's just some drunk out shooting his gun off at random things.

I would much rather it be a random idiot who just happened to shoot off his gun for "fun" around Art's compound.  That's immensely highly preferable than that Art was an intentional target, of course.

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

After catching up the last 9 pages of this thread, my only conclusion is that some people here need to take some valium.

agreed. i spit upon them from places on high as the only blessing they deserve. it's obvious that the posters suffer from artbellfanangstitis.     

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

agreed. i spit upon them from places on high as the only blessing they deserve. it's obvious that the posters suffer from artbellfanangstitis.     

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.

[nooryisawesome]

Not that I didn't know Art had a bunch of insane followers before, but now it is clearly evident. If they ever do identify the shooter, if there was even a shooting; that person is proably going to have a legion of certified insane art bell fans stalking them the rest of their lives.

[anunnaki]

I approach this differently than most probably due to having spent my time receiving/reviewing/researching/answering FOIA requests, not writing them.  The first thing hammered into our heads during training was the FOIA rules/public laws were the same for every one, and a requester's reason(s) for a FOIA request played no part in whether a meaningful response was provided.  In fact, we were not allowed to ask why information was being requested.  So when I see "why" and "what's to be gained" in this discussion, I see those as having no bearing on a request about documents covered by FOIA dealing with Art or anyone/anything else.

You may not like the fact someone plans to FOIA request documents concerning last night, but consider just about every FOIA request is going to make somebody unhappy.  But that's the beauty of the process, a request cannot be turned down because somebody doesn't like it or supplied documents may embarrass someone.  FOIA exists to keep public officials honest, to me that's paramount.  Also keep in mind there are specific criteria by which a FOIA request can be turned down.  I've never worked law enforcement, but I think it's safe bet no information would be released that would endanger the life of or otherwise imperil a member of the public as part of an investigation.  It's probably even a safer bet the FOIA approving officials in such situations are very conservative in deciding such requests/responses.

I would add that at the State Level such as Florida their Freedom of Information Act (Fl.Stat.119.) AKA Government in the Sunshine- which parallels the Fed forbids asking why the information is being requested, the identity of the requester (assuming made in person), that it be made in writing, nor at any special time-(provided it is during business hrs.) Requester does not even have to be a citizen.
Part of the concept is that any gov't. process/communication etc that is made using tax payer funds is public property. Even a non citizen, a tourist say, becomes a taxpayer the minute they spend any money, even if it's for a pack of chewing gum (taxed).

[Robert]

Sure, that was the night I went to bed an hr. before the show.  (I had a job interview the following AM.)  I don't have a good alibi, though, because I suppose I could've gotten a few shots off there & flown back in time.

[nooryisawesome]

Are you Falkie? Because you quote just like him.

[anunnaki]

I approach this differently than most probably due to having spent my time receiving/reviewing/researching/answering FOIA requests, not writing them.  The first thing hammered into our heads during training was the FOIA rules/public laws were the same for every one, and a requester's reason(s) for a FOIA request played no part in whether a meaningful response was provided.  In fact, we were not allowed to ask why information was being requested.  So when I see "why" and "what's to be gained" in this discussion, I see those as having no bearing on a request about documents covered by FOIA dealing with Art or anyone/anything else.

You may not like the fact someone plans to FOIA request documents concerning last night, but consider just about every FOIA request is going to make somebody unhappy.  But that's the beauty of the process, a request cannot be turned down because somebody doesn't like it or supplied documents may embarrass someone.  FOIA exists to keep public officials honest, to me that's paramount.  Also keep in mind there are specific criteria by which a FOIA request can be turned down.  I've never worked law enforcement, but I think it's safe bet no information would be released that would endanger the life of or otherwise imperil a member of the public as part of an investigation.  It's probably even a safer bet the FOIA approving officials in such situations are very conservative in deciding such requests/responses.

I would add that at the State Level such as Florida their Freedom of Information Act (Fl.Stat.119.) AKA Government in the Sunshine- which parallels the Fed forbids asking why the information is being requested, the identity of the requester (assuming made in person), that it be made in writing, nor at any special time-(provided it is during business hrs.) Requester does not even have to be a citizen.
Part of the concept is that any gov't. process/communication etc that is made using tax payer funds is public property. Even a non citizen, a tourist say, becomes a taxpayer the minute they spend any money, even if it's for a pack of chewing gum (taxed)

[HedgehogNorman]

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

[Robert]

Thinking like the cut throat evil capitalist that I am...

This is going to be fantastic publicity for the show.

For a long time I thought Rush Limbaugh's then-alleged narcotics addiction was a publicity stunt.

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

agreed. i spit upon them from places on high as the only blessing they deserve. it's obvious that the posters suffer from artbellfanangstitis.     

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.

mother kept a clean house...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoJVGFGhuVM

and father kept us all healthy...
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-elderberry.html

thanks cuz! 

[aldousburbank]

For a long time I thought Rush Limbaugh's then-alleged narcotics addiction was a publicity stunt.

For Big Pharma right? It worked pretty well!

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

mother kept a clean house...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoJVGFGhuVM

and father kept us all healthy...
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-elderberry.html

thanks cuz! 

[DanTSX]

After catching up the last 9 pages of this thread, my only conclusion is that some people here need to take some valium.

Yeah, Art is going to think twice about letting any details out if anything happens in the future.

I'm sure the PD were asking him why he might think the PD was getting 500 inquiries from Annunaki pretending to be someone else each time.

[ItsOver]

Not that I didn't know Art had a bunch of insane followers before, but now it is clearly evident. If they ever do identify the shooter, if there was even a shooting; that person is proably going to have a legion of certified insane art bell fans stalking them the rest of their lives.

Well, if they're not too busy posting in the Falkie thread.

[GravitySucks]

Yeah, Art is going to think twice about letting any details out if anything happens in the future.

I'm sure the PD were asking him why he might think the PD was getting 500 inquiries from Annunaki pretending to be someone else each time.

How many spots do you think he will book on the conspiracy cruise?

[Dyna-X]

mother kept a clean house...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoJVGFGhuVM

and father kept us all healthy...
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-elderberry.html

thanks cuz! 

Those hamsters were the best thing I've seen all day!!

[GuerrillaUnReal]

It would be interesting to know how much of a bump Art gets tonight in streaming listeners.

[trostol]

It would be interesting to know how much of a bump Art gets tonight in streaming listeners.

dunno..aside from FB i do not think it is widely..known what happened

[Eddie Coyle]

  It be lookin' like we gots our own Snowden in the muthafuckin' hizzouse!

[Robert]

Sure, that was the night I went to bed an hr. before the show.  (I had a job interview the following AM.)  I don't have a good alibi, though, because I suppose I could've gotten a few shots off there & flown back in time.

And I can disclose that I'm friendly w J. Neil Schulman, although I haven't seen him in yrs.

[Weirdoradio]

DANTSX

HEAD UNDERGROUND NOW.

It's clear that the matrix is ripping a hole unto itself and that you may be its first victim. It will start to post all kinds of links and relevant info to your life.

YOU MUST HOP INTO THE PROPER TIME STREAM NOW.


...Aaaaand scene.

[aldousburbank]

Weird scenes in the gold mine...

[Robert]

I've always been surprised Art didn't do more to obfuscate the location of his residence given the unstable nature of some of his listeners.

That'd be hard to do w his antenna loop.  So big & high he was getting some vexing DC potential as well as AC between there & ground.

[anunnaki]

So Art says it might go Federal       Gee where did we hear that before ?
Oh now I remember, I suggested that !!!

[Robert]

I haven't heard (despite the news or Hollywood) many places where shots just ring out all the time excepting certain parts of certain cities- and even then it is not "all the time" but too many.

I hear them frequently from the police pistol range here in the Bronx over 2 mi. away.  I frequently hear shots when I'm at a friend's in Sussex Co., NJ -- apparently sometimes in response to my homemade fireworks.  A friend in NE Penna. remarks that neighbors shoot guns frequently.