The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[Nobody]

that's the charm of Hoagy's show

Actually, you're right: the problem lies in my mistaking Hoagland's programme for a genuine radio show when it is strictly an exercise in ego fulfillment.

(Well spotted!) 

[Binaryspellbook]

Haha yep. Had fun but was a little disturbed by the rapidity for which valid scientific notions seem to be dismissed.
I listened to the last half hour. It was difficult.
How much he attempts to mix pseudoscience, paranormal claims, pareidolia, coincidences and the like with science is disturbing, but it crosses that line for me as I wonder, does he really believe all of this? And if so, I won't chide him for his beliefs but man. He really has some people confused and misled if these ideas aren't valid or supported by significant peer reviewed research in the slightest.
It's nothing personal. I just disagree, and I told him so. He asked me to look something up I was unfamiliar with. I did. I'm still asking him to show me the evidence.

I have been told on good authority that Hoaxy believes his torsion field stuff. The other stuff I am not so sure about.
He is in his element when talking to the scientifically illiterate. But, if he gets a call from an engineer, or indeed anybody who actually knows what they are talking about he immediately resorts to his default defence system. That is; gish gallop and name dropping.

I have wondered for many years now how he can actually make a living out of this lamentable horseshit. After his Elenin nonsense was outed I noticed that his conference appearances were diluted, eventually reaching zero. I cannot say for certain what his financial position is, but, I do know that he had to move house to a small place called Deming. It's a tiny place with trailer park type housing. In fact I believe the house he moved into belonged (belongs) to his sister.

The spiral into the preposterous in my opinion can be traced back to NASA refusing his press accreditation. You can see the whole sorry story on his website. NASA really threw him a stinger, and suggested that he hawk his wares in a public area. Oh my, how the ego was bruised. Henceforth the NASA hatred began, and has never waned. For a time he made decent cash out of conferences. I was told by Richard Dolan that at a conference he appeared at, that, "the majority of people were there to hear Hoagland." How the mighty have fallen since.

His horseshit has reached unparalleled heights in an attempt to remain relevant. Take for example the New Horizons Pluto encounter. Within minutes of the first images arriving on Earth Hoagland and Laney were seeing arcologies. Just as many, including myself predicted he would. He then went on to declare, "I was the only one who got it right." The hubris of the man is quite astonishing.

His experiments with a laptop and a microset timer coupled to a 40 year old watch are simply laughable. As an electronics engineer I could list a veritable plethora of mistakes he is guilty of. But no need. Expat has detailed them eloquently several times on The Emoluments of Mars blog.

I genuinely take no pleasure in seeing a man who is down being kicked. My gloat-o-meter is barely registering. But I do have to concede that he had it coming. Smugness, hubris, and ego will always end up biting you on the arse. When you refer to a genuine scientist like our own Dr Robbins as a "crater counter", and laugh, because Dr Robbins totally wiped the YouTube floor with him. You are simply begging for karma.

[expat]

....and by the way, Yes I covered his arrogant and totally false claim to be the "co-creator" of the Pioneer plaque.

http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2015/11/zany-pranksters.html

[Roswells, Art]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvOoR8m0oms

I haven't heard Laurie Anderson in years. I forgot about her. I liked this song way back then:

https://youtu.be/Vkfpi2H8tOE

Listening to it again, I still think it's great.

[21st Century Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLqpaExVj9w

[Ciardelo]

All you people giving Uncle Hoagy a hard time should be ashamed of yourselves. Can the man help it if he's a visionary? Can he help it if all those famous dead people who can't say otherwise were good friends of his? What do you people want? You want that poor man to die alone and destitute in some broke-ass trailer park? --wait, don't answer that last one.

I'm just saying for a totally fake scientist he cuts the mustard. He's the best gosh-darned faker I know. He appeared regularly with Greg Noory don't forget...and he was their Science Advisor. That show has some high standards as we all know. Why they're so high that Mr. Senda had to work months and wore out several pairs of knee-pads preparing for that show.

So all you sour grape people can lay off! 

[trostol]

All you people giving Uncle Hoagy a hard time should be ashamed of yourselves. Can the man help it if he's a visionary? Can he help it if all those famous dead people who can't say otherwise were good friends of his? What do you people want? You want that poor man to die alone and destitute in some broke-ass trailer park? --wait, don't answer that last one.

I'm just saying for a totally fake scientist he cuts the mustard. He's the best gosh-darned faker I know. He appeared regularly with Greg Noory don't forget...and he was their Science Advisor. That show has some high standards as we all know. Why they're so high that Mr. Senda had to work months and wore out several pairs of knee-pads preparing for that show.

So all you sour grape people can lay off! 

that made me giggle

[pate]

Actually, you're right: the problem lies in my mistaking Hoagland's programme for a genuine radio show when it is strictly an exercise in ego fulfillment.

(Well spotted!) 

Unless you count this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4

words have been spoken, or ask the court stenographer?

[pate]

...knee-pads preparing for that show.

So all you sour grape people can lay off! 

Not Sure how to respond;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp-blnuI3WM

[Roswells, Art]

Not Sure how to respond;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp-blnuI3WM

Wow, that was nice. I have wanted to hear his new song. Damn, he looks old but his voice is just the same.

[Nobody]

The spiral into the preposterous in my opinion can be traced back to NASA refusing his press accreditation. You can see the whole sorry story on his website.

That's what makes the whole affair so amusing and appalling at the same time: the fact that you can see the whole sorry story on his own website.  The man has absolutely no sense of awareness whatever that he comes off as an arrogant prat.

For the sake of anyone still unfamiliar with it, here is the reasonably civil letter from NASA declining Hoagland's request (which, knowing him, was not so much a request as an overbearing demand) for press credentials:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasa-pr.gif

And here is Hoagland's splendidly awful reply:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/goldin.html

It will surprise no one familiar with Hoagland that we are not two sentences into the letter before he refers to himself as "network science advisor* to Walter Cronkite."

Smugness, hubris, and ego will always end up biting you on the arse.

Considering that letter turns two decades old this year, and yet could still be readily attributed to him today, I'm surprised Hoagland has any arse left at this point.





*Maybe it's just me, but I suspect that "network science advisor" is not a title that Walter Cronkite conferred upon Hoagland, but rather, was entirely self-styled.  :

[Nobody]

What do you people want? You want that poor man to die alone and destitute in some broke-ass trailer park?

On the contrary, by shacking up with Robin Falkov, he is helping to prevent two entirely undeserving people somewhere else from being made truly miserable.  Live long and prosper, I say.

(Can you imagine what their domestic conversations must be like?  I am trying very hard not to think about it because I have to eat later.) 

--wait, don't answer that last one.

If you don't want a question answered...better not ask it on Bellgab. 

[Binaryspellbook]

That's what makes the whole affair so amusing and appalling at the same time: the fact that you can see the whole sorry story on his own website.  The man has absolutely no sense of awareness whatever that he comes off as an arrogant prat.

For the sake of anyone still unfamiliar with it, here is the reasonably civil letter from NASA declining Hoagland's request (which, knowing him, was not so much a request as an overbearing demand) for press credentials:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasa-pr.gif

And here is Hoagland's splendidly awful reply:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/goldin.html

It will surprise no one familiar with Hoagland that we are not two sentences into the letter before he refers to himself as "network science advisor* to Walter Cronkite."

Considering that letter turns two decades old this year, and yet could still be readily attributed to him today, I'm surprised Hoagland has any arse left at this point.





*Maybe it's just me, but I suspect that "network science advisor" is not a title that Walter Cronkite conferred upon Hoagland, but rather, was entirely self-styled.  :

I imagine the years he spent on Coast having his ego fluffed by lonely old ladies and retards may have contributed to his runaway hubris.
He reveled in the same sort of thing initially on Facebook. Where his congregation would jostle to be next to lick his leathery bottom. Then the dissenters appeared.

It took the great man quite some time to figure out how to ban people from his page. Instead he sent a warning to those who dare question him. By stating that his farcebook page would be guarded by mods from all over the world 24/7 with their fingers poised on the delete message button. In his defence, this was way before he knew what a USB port was. The ban stick was wielded heftily and many were culled. There was no dissent allowed. Not even polite questioning. As the future Nobel laureate himself stated, "This is MY room"

He abandoned his page in May 2014 or thereabouts. Leaving his trusty lieutenant Greg "kneepads" Ahrens in charge. Greg is some old codger that Hoagland refers to as "An Enterprise research associate." I think he even had him on OSOM as a yes man guest.
I've not looked at his flakebook page for ages. But I think Robin pops in now and again and posts what is coming up on OSOM.

Speaking of "Dr" Falkov. I wonder how many bottles of Gulf Oil Spill Remedy she sold. Apparently it even worked on pets.

[expat]

*Maybe it's just me, but I suspect that "network science advisor" is not a title that Walter Cronkite conferred upon Hoagland, but rather, was entirely self-styled.  :

You are correct. He was one of four consultants, the others being:

Lindy Davis, who probably isn't the same Lindy Davis who's a professional criminal...
Charles Friedlander, an expert on mental health , now in jail on charges of pedophilia...
G Harry Stine, a model rocket enthusiast and SciFi writer

[TigerLily]

You are correct. He was one of four consultants, the others being:

Lindy Davis, who probably isn't the same Lindy Davis who's a professional criminal...
Charles Friedlander, an expert on mental health , now in jail on charges of pedophilia...
G Harry Stine, a model rocket enthusiast and SciFi writer

LOL What a stellar crew.  And Harry uses Wikipedia like a vanity blog.

[norland2424]

Sandra in about 15 years lol

https://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs

[norland2424]

and this is trostol now lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FqzyFWwSac

[GravitySucks]

Sandra in about 15 years lol

ROTFLMAO!!!

Are you sure we have 15 years?

[trostol]

and this is trostol now lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FqzyFWwSac

i ....really have no fucking idea what he was trying to convey there lol..aside from he sounded stoned as fuck and did he say Martian Law at one point?

also what the hell was he using to draw on..i want one lol

[trostol]

Sandra in about 15 years lol

https://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs

wow didnt know Sandra was THAT crazy

and how come no one can ever get the 666 shit right lol

[Dr. MD MD]

wow didnt know Sandra was THAT crazy

and how come no one can ever get the 666 shit right lol

I know she's crazy but I see her as more crazy in the opposite direction: as someone who would try to figure out how to get more Satanic messages in products. 

[trostol]

this guy sounds a lil ...out there reading some other stuff..

Mon/Tues 5/31 â€" Wallace Thornhill

Wallace Thornhill Bio PicBefore earning his BSc in physics & electronics from Melbourne University in 1964, Wallace Thornhill had been inspired by Immanuel Velikovsky’s iconoclastic best-selling book, ‘Worlds in Collision’. Velikovsky’s ideas taught him to be sceptical of expert opinions. Wal worked at IBM Australia for 11 years, first as a scientific programmer, then a systems engineer specializing in operating systems and compilers. Moving to Canberra in 1967, he was IBM’s systems engineer for the Research Schools at the Australian National University, which gave him excellent access to libraries and scientists there during the Apollo missions to the Moon.  In 1974 Wal was invited to attend the 1974 international Velikovsky conference at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, on the subject of ‘The Recent History of the Solar System.’ There he met his hero Velikovsky and David Talbott, one of the conference organizers. Wal subsequently visited Velikovsky at his home in Princeton, NJ, on April 28, 1979. It was but a few months before Velikovsky’s passing and the discussion turned on the key question raised by his theory of recent solar system chaos â€" the true nature of gravity and its role in cosmology. That conversation led Wal to a broad synthesis of ideas he calls ‘THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE,’ in collaboration with David Talbott.

[trostol]

just to be fair

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Electric_Universe

[trostol]

https://youtu.be/NIGMUAMevH0

[norland2424]

Anyone else taken with the fact that (according to Heather) the American ambassador "passed away" during an attack on Benghazi? 

(Here I was thinking he'd been killed.)

Wrong thread but you mean the ambassador that was sodomised before he was killed?

[Nobody]

Wrong thread

Ah, right.  Point (belatedly) taken. 

(Apologies to the thread.)

[Juan Cena]

You are correct. He was one of four consultants, the others being:

Lindy Davis, who probably isn't the same Lindy Davis who's a professional criminal...
Charles Friedlander, an expert on mental health , now in jail on charges of pedophilia...
G Harry Stine, a model rocket enthusiast and SciFi writer

I read Stine's novel "Manna" when I was younger. Bunch of libertarian wish fulfillment, if I recall correctly.

[Juan Cena]

Wrong thread but you mean the ambassador that was sodomised before he was killed?

There's a Hilary joke here somewhere ...

[GravitySucks]

Caller Joe from Ohio says that Heather is "doing an even better job than Art Bell did."

Heather's response? "Don't say that too loud."  :

(Just shoot me, please.)

We only shoot posters if they post the request in the correct thread. Go request your demise in the Midnight in the Desert thread, and we will see what we can arrange.

[Juan Cena]

LOL What a stellar crew.  And Harry uses Wikipedia like a vanity blog.

Stine died in 1997. Was Wikipedia even around then?